FIBA ball to become more like the NBA

[peternorth]

Winning Olympic gold in Beijing depended partly on Team USA's ability to cope with the unfamiliar geometry of the international game: a trapezoidal lane, a shallow 3-point arc and a contorted array of driving lanes. But in two years, the trapezoid will be dead, the arc will be a little deeper and the international game will be a bit closer in style to the N.B.A.'s. The lane will become a rectangle, emulating the United States model. The arc will move to 6.75 meters (22.1 feet) -- closer to the N.B.A. standard of 22 feet 9 inches -- from 6.25 meters (20.5 feet). The changes were among several adopted, to little fanfare, by the International Basketball Federation, known as FIBA, in April. The new rules take effect after the world championships in 2010, so they will be in place for the 2012 Olympics in London. The intent is to sharpen the international game and to make it more uniform from one hemisphere to another, at all levels of play. -- NY Times

woohoo!!!
Hope the NBL does the same.

 

[mdc]

Was announced a while back, and even though it's probably a good idea to have more consistency around the world, I'm not sure why they didn't go all the way to the NBA 3-point line - now they're going to be 8 inches apart, which is just annoying.

Also not sure about scrapping the trapezoidal lane, I liked it.

 

[Upgrayedd]

..Why?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

..Why?

NBA ball is harder to play, more competitive, more physical. European teams need to develop up to the level of American teams.

Europe wants to attract NBA players too, so perhaps adjusting the rules fits more with that?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I don't like seeing half a team's shots being 3s. It just doesn't feel right. Hoepfully these changes see and end to that

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

NBA ball is harder to play, more competitive, more physical. European teams need to develop up to the level of American teams.

I think Dirk deserves some credit here.

he started off as your typical Euro 3 point shooter, but he has expanded into having an all court game. In 02-03 he put up 5 3's per game, over the last 2 years he has halved that.

No 7 footer in NBA history has matched him at creating his own shot from outside the paint, and he can take it at the rim. He is amazingly efficient at iso plays.

In this sense, he is one of the few Euros who has been able to Americanise his game, and this warrants more credit than it gets

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I think Dirk deserves some credit here.

he started off as your typical Euro 3 point shooter, but he has expanded into having an all court game. In 02-03 he put up 5 3's per game, over the last 2 years he has halved that.

No 7 footer in NBA history has matched him at creating his own shot from outside the paint, and he can take it at the rim. He is amazingly efficient at iso plays.

In this sense, he is one of the few Euros who has been able to Americanise his game, and this warrants more credit than it gets

I give him credit for it. He's the best offensive player to come out of Europe.

I just don't think his prime was as good as Webber's.

 

[mdc]

I think Dirk deserves some credit here.

he started off as your typical Euro 3 point shooter, but he has expanded into having an all court game. In 02-03 he put up 5 3's per game, over the last 2 years he has halved that.

No 7 footer in NBA history has matched him at creating his own shot from outside the paint, and he can take it at the rim. He is amazingly efficient at iso plays.

In this sense, he is one of the few Euros who has been able to Americanise his game, and this warrants more credit than it gets

Interesting take on it.

I agree with your assessment of Dirk re: isos etc, but I don't know that it was necessarily Dirk's decision to start living at the elbow. I was under the impression that it was under Avery's directive. Either way, he was always more than just a Euro 3-point shooter, even as a junior.

To be honest, I expect his 3-point attempts to increase with Carlisle at the helm, and for him to be used in a lot more pick-and-pop situations than he has been in the past.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I just don't think his prime was as good as Webber's.

probably, if Webber's prime is defined as that year when he put up 27/11/4 as compared to Dirk's 7 years of about 24/9.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I agree with your assessment of Dirk re: isos etc, but I don't know that it was necessarily Dirk's decision to start living at the elbow. I was under the impression that it was under Avery's directive. Either way, he was always more than just a Euro 3-point shooter, even as a junior.

To be honest, I expect his 3-point attempts to increase with Carlisle at the helm, and for him to be used in a lot more pick-and-pop situations than he has been in the past.

100% right on both counts.

Avery loved his iso offense, and loved having Stack, Dirk or Josh Howard posted at the elbows. In regular season games, this (well, Dirk) broke efficiency records.

But as Nellie and Riley demonstrated, this iso offense can be shut down when you have time to devise defenses and have 7 games to go at him.

Avery did a massive disservice to us by having the monotonous isolation offense. he effectively turned Jason Kidd into a weakside shooter last year and made no attempt to utilise the skills that have made Kidd a HOF PG.

I expect Carlisle to find a medium between between our Nellie/Nash ball (fast pace, lots of PG/PF pick and pops) and the Avery slow down iso offense.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

probably, if Webber's prime is defined as that year when he put up 27/11/4 as compared to Dirk's 7 years of about 24/9.

Don't forget Webber's 1.5 block per game either. And yes, that is what I refer to.

 

[peternorth]

I don't like seeing half a team's shots being 3s. It just doesn't feel right. Hoepfully these changes see and end to that

yes. the nbl is like that too, everyone shooting 3s including anstey. FFS get inside the coloured stuff!!!

Don't forget Webber's 1.5 block per game either. And yes, that is what I refer to.

and time outs

 

[Karl Pilkington]

and time outs

That was college ball. Besides, technically that time out never happened because the Fab Five have been stricken from all NCAA record books because Webber was getting paid by boosters ever since high school.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Besides, technically that time out never happened because the Fab Five have been stricken from all NCAA record books because Webber was getting paid by boosters ever since high school.

...therefore he was never drafted, never made the NBA and ipso facto Dirk had the better peak aswell as longevity.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

...therefore he was never drafted, never made the NBA and ipso facto Dirk had the better peak aswell as longevity.

No, his NBA and professional record still counts, hence, his peak was noticably higher than Dirk's during a tougher time for PF's. But his entire college record never happened officially.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No, his NBA and professional record still counts, hence, his peak was noticably higher than Dirk's during a tougher time for PF's. But his entire college record never happened officially.

A few factors here are relevant.

-I'd dispute that he had tougher PFs to contend with.

-You have to consider that the Kings played a style that made it easier to get big numbers. In that year when he got 27ppg, Webber averaged 23 shots per game and the team took about 88 per. In the year Dirk got 26.6ppg, he took only 19 shots per game with the team taking 77 per. In the 4 years since Nash left, we have been a slow down team that deflate Dirk's numbers.

 

[peternorth]

But his entire college record never happened officially.

is that like the scene in the simpsons movie where the commercial (featuring tom hanks) talks about the new grand canyon being "east of Shelbyville and south of Capital City."

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A few factors here are relevant.

-I'd dispute that he had tougher PFs to contend with.

-You have to consider that the Kings played a style that made it easier to get big numbers. In that year when he got 27ppg, Webber averaged 23 shots per game and the team took about 88 per. In the year Dirk got 26.6ppg, he took only 19 shots per game with the team taking 77 per. In the 4 years since Nash left, we have been a slow down team that deflate Dirk's numbers.

And you have to consider that in the 4 years of Webber's prime (when he put up over 23 and 10) the number of games played in the season were 75, 70, 54, 67. In Dirk's 6 years when he has put up over 23 and 8.5 (I have made an allowance because Dirk plays farther from the rim on offense and will rebound less offensively. In terms of defensive rebounding the 2 are basically identical) he has played 76, 80, 78, 81, 78, 77 games in the season. That is a significant factor

 

[peternorth]

incidentally see boxscore and anstey's 3 pt shots

http://www.southdragons.com.au/site/_content/document/00006086-source.html

 

[Karl Pilkington]

A few factors here are relevant.

-I'd dispute that he had tougher PFs to contend with.

You'd be stupid to do so, but please elaborate.

-You have to consider that the Kings played a style that made it easier to get big numbers. In that year when he got 27ppg, Webber averaged 23 shots per game and the team took about 88 per. In the year Dirk got 26.6ppg, he took only 19 shots per game with the team taking 77 per. In the 4 years since Nash left, we have been a slow down team that deflate Dirk's numbers.

Dirk is more efficient, but also didn't really 'run' the offense the way Webber was doing - Webber had an all around offensive game no big man has ever come close to imo. Webber a better defender and rebounder too.

 

[peternorth]

i cant see a victor here. one loves webber, the other lives dirk.

can there only be one?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

i cant see a victor here. one loves webber, the other lives dirk.

can there only be one?

Well, he's a bit of a right winger Republican type, listens to Bill O'Reilly etc. so of course he thinks the Blonde 7-foot German is better.

me? I'm from the streets, so I'll go with the guy who hyphenates his name , C-Webb.

 

[Vegas.]

D-Ski?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

D-Ski?

D-Now.... lol I'm sure a few Mavs fans have asked him to play some D-now and then.

*boom tish*

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Pretty much every thread Karl and I are in descends into a D-Now vs C-Webb debate.

It's as predictable as me winning the actual debate