Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
great clean hands.... well thats what dunstall kept saying anyway
great clean hands.... well thats what dunstall kept saying anyway
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
No he clearly deserves AA. Took 5 marks or LESS in 15 out of 22 games. Played in the highest possession team in the history of the game yet in 11 out of 22 matches got LESS than 15 possies. Now I know stats can sometimes mean bugger all but you can't tell me his role in the team was to stop the opposition premier forwards as first year Harry Taylor was trusted with bigger roles than old Tom.
No he clearly deserves AA. Took 5 marks or LESS in 15 out of 22 games. Played in the highest possession team in the history of the game yet in 11 out of 22 matches got LESS than 15 possies. Now I know stats can sometimes mean bugger all but you can't tell me his role in the team was to stop the opposition premier forwards as first year Harry Taylor was trusted with bigger roles than old Tom.
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Even though i am a cats supporter i have to agree with you. He basically plays a loose man in defence yet he averaged only 14 touches and five marks per game, usually playing (very loosely) on the oppositions fourth or fifth best forward. He is a great captain and leader however i wouldn't even have him in Geelongs best 15 players
Even though i am a cats supporter i have to agree with you. He basically plays a loose man in defence yet he averaged only 14 touches and five marks per game, usually playing (very loosely) on the oppositions fourth or fifth best forward. He is a great captain and leader however i wouldn't even have him in Geelongs best 15 players
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Ralative to their football talent Harley is the most over rated player in the history of the universe and is infinitely lucky to play for Geelong in their current golden age.
Ralative to their football talent Harley is the most over rated player in the history of the universe and is infinitely lucky to play for Geelong in their current golden age.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
im a cats man through and through and im telling you now harley is no 6 in our defence, i wouldnt of had him in my aa team. but thats just my opinion, also would of had roughhead instead of medhurst and hille instead of sandilands
im a cats man through and through and im telling you now harley is no 6 in our defence, i wouldnt of had him in my aa team. but thats just my opinion, also would of had roughhead instead of medhurst and hille instead of sandilands
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
He drops back off his man in the support of others really well. Also takes a high number of contested marks when needed. Super player to have in our backline.
IMO - its Geelong's defense that has provided much of our success.
He drops back off his man in the support of others really well. Also takes a high number of contested marks when needed. Super player to have in our backline.
IMO - its Geelong's defense that has provided much of our success.
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Only change to the team should have been Hodge not making the team.
Only change to the team should have been Hodge not making the team.
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Have to agree. Thought the same myself. It seems as though the selectors felt a need to choose as many players from Geelong as possible. Could have been 1/2 doz or more defenders picked in front of Harley. Great guy and captain from what I've heard and seen from him but not an AA.
Have to agree. Thought the same myself. It seems as though the selectors felt a need to choose as many players from Geelong as possible. Could have been 1/2 doz or more defenders picked in front of Harley. Great guy and captain from what I've heard and seen from him but not an AA.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
He's a third man up defender.
Very much in the same mould as Jason Cloke.
Just better. Not AA beter though.
He's a third man up defender.
Very much in the same mould as Jason Cloke.
Just better. Not AA beter though.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
its good to see a geelong person "catsfan16" who doesnt think every one of their players is a champion (and champion is a word thrown around much too loosely these days). in regard to him not being in your best 15, Id say yeah he's probably just around that mark.
there are many more defenders I would take before him if the whole current AFL was re-drafted.
its sad that hes going to be a back-to-back premiership captain
someone who contributes more deserves that honour.
I wouldnt say super player but hes a good player to have in your backline and yes YOUR backline not the AA backline!
its good to see a geelong person "catsfan16" who doesnt think every one of their players is a champion (and champion is a word thrown around much too loosely these days). in regard to him not being in your best 15, Id say yeah he's probably just around that mark.
there are many more defenders I would take before him if the whole current AFL was re-drafted.
its sad that hes going to be a back-to-back premiership captain
someone who contributes more deserves that honour.
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Got spanked by Medhurst when we played them early on the year
Preety much everything you said is on the money
Got spanked by Medhurst when we played them early on the year
Preety much everything you said is on the money
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
If you're going by this, Mackie or Enright should have been the starting AA HBF over Hodge. Same or more posessions and more marks. Stopped their opponents just as well.
If you're going by this, Mackie or Enright should have been the starting AA HBF over Hodge. Same or more posessions and more marks. Stopped their opponents just as well.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
What has that got to do with the AA team?
What a shit comment. You have no idea how much he contributes. Tom would be the first to put his hand up, as he did when he was named VC, to say he's not sure about the selection. Obviously people with a bit more knowledge than yourself think him worthy of being honoured in this way.
What has that got to do with the AA team?
its sad that hes going to be a back-to-back premiership captain
What a shit comment. You have no idea how much he contributes. Tom would be the first to put his hand up, as he did when he was named VC, to say he's not sure about the selection. Obviously people with a bit more knowledge than yourself think him worthy of being honoured in this way.
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Harley is not the key defender he once was. People need to make the adjustment now. He also talked about why he and others from Geelong were picked... they play their role for the team. He plays his role perfectly.
Yes, he is suspect one-on-one when against small-medium attackers, and his disposal skills are also a bit didgy sometimes.
BUT... think about one area of Geelong's current dominance - creating scoring opportunities from turnovers. He instigates many of those. By his exceptional reading of the play, he cuts off so mnay oppostion thrusts forward, which then become scoring opportunities for the Cats.
Sure, he might be beaten occasionally by guys like Medhurst one-one-one... but I would bet that he saves and creates more goals for the Cats than what he lets in for the opposition. And in my mind, that makes him a quality defender.
Harley is not the key defender he once was. People need to make the adjustment now. He also talked about why he and others from Geelong were picked... they play their role for the team. He plays his role perfectly.
Yes, he is suspect one-on-one when against small-medium attackers, and his disposal skills are also a bit didgy sometimes.
BUT... think about one area of Geelong's current dominance - creating scoring opportunities from turnovers. He instigates many of those. By his exceptional reading of the play, he cuts off so mnay oppostion thrusts forward, which then become scoring opportunities for the Cats.
Sure, he might be beaten occasionally by guys like Medhurst one-one-one... but I would bet that he saves and creates more goals for the Cats than what he lets in for the opposition. And in my mind, that makes him a quality defender.
Based on this logic, the forwardline should read:
HF: Pavlich Brown Roughead
FF: Fevola Bradshaw Franklin
They are the top 6 goalkickers, so they should be the 6 forwards. All this talk about the "need" for a small forward, and "needing" a crumber is the funniest thing ever. They don't play anyone, so who cares. Just pick the ones that kick the goals !
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
FWIW I think Geelong are terrific and this is 100% not a dig nor troll at your club. My post pretty much suggests how good I think you are despite my opinion of Harleys selection.
Although you replied fairly objectively (and I appreciate it) it seems that it doesnt matter what club (Geel ,Carl, Ess, Nth in particular) a hawk poster makes comment on there will be a comeback similar to your 1st line.
FWIW I think Geelong are terrific and this is 100% not a dig nor troll at your club. My post pretty much suggests how good I think you are despite my opinion of Harleys selection.
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Are you one of those who believed that Hodge was one of your best against the Dogs the other week? 16 touches floating loose around the backline?
Anyway, a lot of Hawks supporters seemed to think he was. As cat in sydney said, I think what he lends to the side in chopping out other defenders and intercepting attacks (like Hodge is doing) is enough to get him a look in.
Are you one of those who believed that Hodge was one of your best against the Dogs the other week? 16 touches floating loose around the backline?
Anyway, a lot of Hawks supporters seemed to think he was. As cat in sydney said, I think what he lends to the side in chopping out other defenders and intercepting attacks (like Hodge is doing) is enough to get him a look in.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
I loved watching Tommy play this year and am glad he had a solid year, i agree that although he had a great year maybe or maybe not AA form (Milburn, Mackie, Selwood, Ling, Stokes arguably had better seasons) but for players playing his position and his roll in the AFL he is right up there with the best.
As for the comment about Tom being a non deserving back to back (if)premiership captain i think that is a load of crap, Tom is an exceptional leader, courageous, respected, and i love the fact that they gave the captaincy to a player that wasn't the best on the team with the biggest profile but the best leader and person for the job, Well deserved Tom a true Gentleman of the game.
I loved watching Tommy play this year and am glad he had a solid year, i agree that although he had a great year maybe or maybe not AA form (Milburn, Mackie, Selwood, Ling, Stokes arguably had better seasons) but for players playing his position and his roll in the AFL he is right up there with the best.
As for the comment about Tom being a non deserving back to back (if)premiership captain i think that is a load of crap, Tom is an exceptional leader, courageous, respected, and i love the fact that they gave the captaincy to a player that wasn't the best on the team with the biggest profile but the best leader and person for the job, Well deserved Tom a true Gentleman of the game.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Obviously many posters on here dont watch Geelong, Harley was highly deserving of his spot and very unlucky not to receive the Captaincy I thought.
Obviously many posters on here dont watch Geelong, Harley was highly deserving of his spot and very unlucky not to receive the Captaincy I thought.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Not according to the OP:
Not according to the OP:
Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
Yes I am. The quality of his touches was sometimes extraordinary in that game. He wasnt loose as such either IMO. Just backed himself often to run off and/or help out his team mates. Also in that game he did a hell of a lot that is not measured in stats.
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
At least the Hawk supporters have stopped the sooky-sooky-la-las over Mooneys selection last year.Now they can bitch for 12 months about Harley.Which Geelong player will they bitch about in 12 months ?
Continue bitching Hawk supporters,it's fun
Onya Tom Harley
At least the Hawk supporters have stopped the sooky-sooky-la-las over Mooneys selection last year.Now they can bitch for 12 months about Harley.Which Geelong player will they bitch about in 12 months ?
Continue bitching Hawk supporters,it's fun
Onya Tom Harley
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Re: If Tom Harley was NOT captain of Geelong...
So have you watched Geelong and Tom Harley as closely as you have watched Hodge throughout the year?
So have you watched Geelong and Tom Harley as closely as you have watched Hodge throughout the year?
