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Cameron Cloke Leaving.

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The Old Dark Navy's said:
Guys, I am sick of the hack calls and just classless posts when a player leaves the club. He hasn't done the dirty on us and isn't deserving of spite from keyboard warriors. If you don't have anything nice to say about players that are leaving, then why bother at all.

Have some class.
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I really wish you posted that after Fev left ...

Far less deserving of the harsh calls he got from some of the peanuts on this board then Cloke IMHO.
 
celtic_pride said:
What are Port thinking offering him a 3 year deal ?
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Who knows. Must see the same thing in him that saw Matthew Westhoff get a 2 year deal recently despite playing SANFL reserves footy for most of 2009. Perhaps it's because they are tall and have brother's who are better footballers. Seriously though if this is true I think Carr will announce his retirement soon because if he doesn't we have no space on the list to take Cloke in the PSD.
 

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celtic_pride said:
I really wish you posted that after Fev left ...

Far less deserving of the harsh calls he got from some of the peanuts on this board then Cloke IMHO.
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Fev... that man so blessed with humility and sobriety... the man who wouldnt hurt a fly off the field of play. The man who wouldnt do anything in the world to embarrass himself, his family, his club and team mates and the sport he plays... who is always honourable around women and does the right thing by everyone else???

Fev, who embarrassed himself, his family, his club and his sport at their night of nights and who, if the girl he is alledged to have molested comes forward and reports it to the police, could be spending a lot of time either behind bars or sitting in the stands...

Fev deserves all the criticism he cops for his actions on the brownlow night.

However, Cloke has always given his all, even trying to get up and chase the ball after getting knocked out, and was more a team player than Fev.

Unfortunately he blotted his copy book somehow and is on the outer at the club. He is currently a third string player at the club and I doubt that his position there will improve over the next 12 months so taking the 3 years at Port if they are available is better than sitting in the magoo's for the next 12 months waiting for his contract to finish.
 
Cloke Isn't up to it so if he goes I have no issues but I do have an issue if we replace him with a bloke I could outrun.
 
I really don't understand the club's thinking at times.

Firstly, we ditch Fev but another club gets him. Fev will now kick bag fulls against our B grade defence.

Secondly, now our forward line is down a man, the club offers Cloke a deal that's an insult to a senior player who still has a few years left.

Cloke CAN mark and kick goals. Isn't that what we need right now? Okay, he's not a 'gun' forward, but who is available right now?

Cloke deserves more respect, both from the club and from some fickle supporters!
 
ForeverBlue said:
I really don't understand the club's thinking at times.

Firstly, we ditch Fev but another club gets him. Fev will now kick bag fulls against our B grade defence.

Secondly, now our forward line is down a man, the club offers Cloke a deal that's an insult to a senior player who still has a few years left.

Cloke CAN mark and kick goals. Isn't that what we need right now? Okay, he's not a 'gun' forward, but who is available right now?

Cloke deserves more respect, both from the club and from some fickle supporters!
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So you are saying that the club should have offered him a 3 year deal? With what information are you asserting this? Clearly the club would project forward an estimate of TPP over the next few years and would know what they can and can't afford and who is key to the clubs success and who is not. Cloke gave everything he had, every time he played but we do not want to return to the days of irresponsible contracts.
 
celtic_pride said:
I really wish you posted that after Fev left ...

Far less deserving of the harsh calls he got from some of the peanuts on this board then Cloke IMHO.
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There seemed to be two choices with Fev. Blame him or blame the club for trading him.

Fev is gone because of Fev. Not because he lacks ability but was all heart, but because he had too much ego to consider rules applied to him. Considering the numerous incidents Fev was involved in and what unfolded that night, I don't think people talking about the damage he does to the club is such a terrible thing.

If anybody questioned Fev's footballing ability, they would be laughed off the forum. As far as his attitude and his actions though, there's nothing that has been said her that hasn't said everywhere else, including the media. When some were basically saying 'keep Fev and everyone at the club who wants to trade him should go', it is only natural that the counter argument is going to focus on Fev's negatives.

I don't mind anybody saying that Cloke was too slow, not strong enough, anything football related. Just saying he is a hack and for the door not to hit in the arse on the way out ... well that's not discussion, it's not constructive. I'd imagine we will hear the same things about Wiggins when he goes and that will be inappropriate as well.

Respect towards our footballers should be based on heart, endeavour and attitude, not purely on the heights they rise to due to natural talent and the highlights reels they make.

Two completely different situations. Surprised you can't see that. I'm very happy to explain it to you further however.
 
well everything aside, if this is to actually eventuate this would almost guarantee us of picking a kpp with pick 12. surely???
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
I know most of these guys were not part of future plans, but losing Fev, Hartlett, Edwards and Cloke certainly puts a hole in our forward stocks.
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Aside from Fev none of them were genuinely worthy of our best 22.

We have Tiller who hasn't been seen yet. Warnock and Jacobs can only get better, allowing Hampson and Kreuzer to moonlight as key position players. The maturing of Austin allows us more flexibility with Waite. Setanta may shrug off the leg injuries that have plagued him and finally show why the rest of you rate him so highly.

So given we have Henderson, it's hardly panic stations.
 
Azul said:
Aside from Fev none of them were genuinely worthy of our best 22.

We have Tiller who hasn't been seen yet. Warnock and Jacobs can only get better, allowing Hampson and Kreuzer to moonlight as key position players. The maturing of Austin allows us more flexibility with Waite. Setanta may shrug off the leg injuries that have plagued him and finally show why the rest of you rate him so highly.

So given we have Henderson, it's hardly panic stations.
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You can hardly classify Warnock, Jacobs and Hampson as key position players, Kruezer is a maybe, but he will be a better mobile ruckman than a key forward, Henderson is in his third year at 20 , it is unrealistic to expect too much from him, he is more a third tall option in a ideal world right now.
 

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Azul said:
Aside from Fev none of them were genuinely worthy of our best 22.

We have Tiller who hasn't been seen yet. Warnock and Jacobs can only get better, allowing Hampson and Kreuzer to moonlight as key position players. The maturing of Austin allows us more flexibility with Waite. Setanta may shrug off the leg injuries that have plagued him and finally show why the rest of you rate him so highly.

So given we have Henderson, it's hardly panic stations.
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Correct Azul. Indeed i'd still be inclined to take (best available at #12) Cunnington/Tapscott/Stevens ahead of Talia/Black/Carlisle or even Butcher so confident am i in the above-mentioned doing the business for us.
 
blue_trinity said:
well everything aside, if this is to actually eventuate this would almost guarantee us of picking a kpp with pick 12. surely???
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Cloke was given the opportunity to prove himself early last year and didn't exactly set the world on fire. He returned late in the year only because we were decimated by injuries. With all our cattle on the park, Cloke is a depth player.

It happens we're lacking depth but still, we have yet to address other areas of need on our list.

Our rucks(Kreuzer and Hampson), small forwards(Betts, Yarran, Garlett) and defenders(Jamison, Austin, Thornton, Bower, Armfield, Browne) look okay.

Tall flankers are a concern. We lost Bannister, Anderson is nothing special, Wiggins is on his last legs, it hasn't worked out with Johnson and Houlihan isn't getting any younger. None of those players would make a top 4 side.

I still think we could do with an extra midfielder, despite acquiring Brock. Hadley is constantly injured, Carrazzo battled this year and Scotland has at best 2 years left. Look to the loss in Round 22 against Adelaide and you'll see we didn't have enough players who would run and chase all day. Our 'fab 3' look fine but we don't have enough rotations.

So as you can see, we have a shortage of forwards but other areas are lacking too. The more I think about it, we probably ought to draft the best available at pick 12. Unless the likes of Talia, Carlisle, Black or Panos truly are, of course.:D
 
Clokes highlight reel @ Carlton could make Australia's Funniest Videos...

Port please enjoy him; He's a great player as long as he doesn't have to turn or run...
 
ForeverBlue said:
I really don't understand the club's thinking at times.

Firstly, we ditch Fev but another club gets him. Fev will now kick bag fulls against our B grade defence.

Secondly, now our forward line is down a man, the club offers Cloke a deal that's an insult to a senior player who still has a few years left.

Cloke CAN mark and kick goals. Isn't that what we need right now? Okay, he's not a 'gun' forward, but who is available right now?

Cloke deserves more respect, both from the club and from some fickle supporters!
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Cloke was recruited as a ruckman. He is now no longer needed for that role.

We have better forwards on the books and if they are letting him go, then the recruiting dept knows something that we dont know. He isn't the best option we have up forward this year or even a suitable replacement.

Setanta was showing a lot of signs that he would become a good CHF before Fev smashed him. If he can get back his confidence and form, there is no reason why he cant hold down that position for a couple of years while Hendo finishes off his development.

For the next couple of years, I think that you will either see Hendo playing on the HFF or in the FP and they will be rotating Kreuzer and Hammer through the FF position. With the smalls we have crumbing around their feet... a lot of other sides are going to be trying to take clean possession of the ball when it goes into our forward line and will be too afraid of letting the ball hit the ground.

Would Cloke have made a good FF? The answer would have to be maybe... but I think that the real answer would be that he would only be a backup to whoever we get in to play in the FF position next year.

Is he better off going elsewhere... maybe because he isnt going to be getting a lot of time with the Carlton first team next year.
 

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mac25 said:
You can hardly classify Warnock, Jacobs and Hampson as key position players, Kruezer is a maybe, but he will be a better mobile ruckman than a key forward, Henderson is in his third year at 20 , it is unrealistic to expect too much from him, he is more a third tall option in a ideal world right now.
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Kreuzer could turn out to excel as both a forward and a ruckman - I'm thinking a 250 game player like Simon Madden or Paul Salmon.

What Warnock and Jacobs would bring, if they get on the park, is flexibility. If one of them steps up to demand a spot in the 22, that allows Ratten to develop Hampson and Kreuzer in other positions. What we had by contrast with Cloke is a player who wasn't quite an AFL ruckman and not quite an AFL forward.

I'm not expecting any young players to step up and replace Fevola overnight. But neither do I think going out and nabbing a Thorp, Robertson or Goose would magically solve all our problems either - we're better off developing the players we already have on our list.
 
Jeremias said:
Would prefer to keep him but he'd be laughing at a 3 year offer.

If they did really offer it, Port are hilarious and really, really desparate.

Depth player at best. Gave his all and can't blame him for accepting a contract as ridiculous as that.
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It's a great deal for him, would of been nice to have him around still but good luck to the man if he has this 3 year deal
 
Oh NO!!!!

We're loosing such a valiant warrior in Cameron Cloke!

WTF why are we letting him go? We should offer him a 5 year deal!

Who's going to do his job now? We're in deep shit now that Cloke's gone.

I'm deeply affected by him leaving I'm not sure I'll ever get over it!

Yep, he's not a hack player at all is he? I mean he just knows what he's doing when he's on the field and even refuses to go off when the coach tells him to coz he knows he's so vital to our success!

And now he wants to leave because we're not good enough for him!
 
I am hoping to see how Cloke will go in the forward line without Fev. He will receive more ball and more opportunity not being needed to ruck as our ruck stocks would now make him about 5th in line.
 
If it's true I wish him the best. He's not the most talented footballer, but you have to admire his determination to succeed at this level wherever he ends up. Carlton is probably not the ideal place for him with Warnock, Kruezer, Hampson and Jacobs all ahead of him for the ruck position. :)
 
ForeverBlue said:
I really don't understand the club's thinking at times.

Firstly, we ditch Fev but another club gets him. Fev will now kick bag fulls against our B grade defence.

Secondly, now our forward line is down a man, the club offers Cloke a deal that's an insult to a senior player who still has a few years left.

Cloke CAN mark and kick goals. Isn't that what we need right now? Okay, he's not a 'gun' forward, but who is available right now?

Cloke deserves more respect, both from the club and from some fickle supporters!
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That just makes no sense:rolleyes: :confused:
 
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