Wallace tells Richmond what they need.

[Dustin Credible]

So Rayzorwire, to summarise, you believe that the improvement we have seen in players under Hardwick, that were on the list under Wallace, is as a result on natural progression rather than development?

As an extention to this, do you think that players like JR and Edwards would have improved more under Wallace than they have Hardwick?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Rayzor , I'll stick to commenting on one point you've raised and that's Daniel Connors . In case you aren't aware Daniel in some areas was seen as very lucky to escape charges from an event which occurred only days before the national draft inwhich he was taken and seen him fall from a high draft pick and a number of other clubs refusing to draft him .
He has since been involved in a number of incidents which I doubt any other coach would have let slip .
The fact that Connors continued to stuff up regularly under TW's tenure indicates to me that he didn't respect TW and that TW failed to make hard decisions .
In contrast under DH Connors 1st stuff has seen him on his last chance .

 

[Greggy]

And who can forget Terry telling the story of how he and Greg Miller had to paint some of the facilities at punt road because they couldn't afford maintenance, I wonder where the money had gone??

 

[WATIGE]

Where it comes to Wallace there seem to be a few pairs of rose coloured glasses and many many muddy coloured ones around here.

I see that there is a lot of truth in all arguments and am a firm believer that while there is a lot for Wallace to be congratulated on and comisserated with about there is also a lot that he stuffed up big time.

We are where we are and there are some lessons to be learnt - not that we BF'ers can do any good by learning them!!

I am happy that our strides forward seem to be getting bigger and better. Wallace did some/many things that have allowd this to happen, could have done some other things that would have had it happen a bit sooner.

I don't think I want to listen to what he has to say about recuiting going forward - otheres are in place and going their path - no need to muddy things further.

 

[bouncing back]

very sympathetic appraisal of wallace by pace to freeze. i'd question he was a great game day coach and ask whether, after 5 years he left the tiges in a better position than he found it? and if his credentials are so good why he wasn't snapped up as a coach or even assistant - laidley style

 

[TheProwler]

very sympathetic appraisal of wallace by pace to freeze. i'd question he was a great game day coach and ask whether, after 5 years he left the tiges in a better position than he found it? and if his credentials are so good why he wasn't snapped up as a coach or even assistant - laidley style

Probably had more to do with that cavern underneath his nose than his coaching prowess He was the Akermanis of the coaches, I am sure the RFC admin must have dreaded what was to be the next spiel from him each week. R.I.P. Tuesdays with Terry

 

[Tiger2709]

Wow, talk about loyalty Rayzorwire, you must have really thought we were on the right track with TW, I don't agree, but some of your points are valid, although you forgot one thing that has obviously held us back, a gameplan, that can be understood and carried out by the players, TW never seemed to get this right and of course the outcome was a load of recruits that could never figure out where they were supposed to kick or run too, thankfully we now seem to have a coach that understands that these youngsters need direction at training and on matchday, not just a good matchday coach.

Bottom line TW is gone from the Tigers and it's pretty poor form for him to be giving advice about what the Tigers should and shouldn't do, we have a new coach that I would rather have do that.

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

I spoke with David King in January
He wasn't shy in claiming,"They've got it really wrong down there"
When quizzed he was happy to blame it on recruiting and a lack of team spirit or culture.
Good call by Walls even if he's a dog too.

IIRC King called Bowden to task in 2008 after his woeful defensive job on Medhurst in Rd3 - I don't know enough about him but on the basis of that call alone he got my vote. Bowden for all his talent was allowed far too much latitude by both TW and Frawley to free-lance. After his kick in the butt, came back and won us 3 games later in season

what i want to know is why they are getting wallace to do this? is it to piss everyone off or are they doing it for a laugh?

what next for TW - Hutchy's country footy round-up?

Ten years of drafting prior to Wallace

Newman
Jackson
Moore
Tuck
White

White was drafted in 2005 pre-season draft ...during Wallace era. Like many others during Wallace years, he has kicked on in 2010 under a new coaching regime

 

[Rayzorwire]

So Rayzorwire, to summarise, you believe that the improvement we have seen in players under Hardwick, that were on the list under Wallace, is as a result on natural progression rather than development?

No Dustin, I'm sure it's a bit of both. My point was that a coach can't do anything about a players' physical state. Edwards, Reiwoldt and other juniors are finally getting to the point where they have a man's body - the first basic prerequisite to play AFL football well. On the flipside, Hardwick can't do anything about the fact blokes like Foley and Tambling haven't been able to give him anywhere near their best yet.

As an extention to this, do you think that players like JR and Edwards would have improved more under Wallace than they have Hardwick?

I doubt it (though I am sure they would have had natural improvement this year under any coach), as we've all agreed, once Wallace lost the playing group he had to be moved on.

Wow, talk about loyalty Rayzorwire, you must have really thought we were on the right track with TW,

Not so much that T2709, more that I didn't think he was fairly treated, I don't think the board had the right to escape all criticism for the situation we're in as it pretty much has, and I think Wallacee cops way too much unjustified, often unsupportable criticism, with his many good attributes totally forgotten.

...you forgot one thing that has obviously held us back, a gameplan, that can be understood and carried out by the players, TW never seemed to get this right and of course the outcome was a load of recruits that could never figure out where they were supposed to kick or run too,

I've heard everything from 'the gameplan was too complicated' through to 'there was no gameplan'...at least one of them can't be right. Without intimate knowledge of which - if either - is true (and I suspect the proponents of each view would be equally adamant they have it right), I guess there's not much point in discussing issues that may or may not have existed.

Bottom line TW is gone from the Tigers and it's pretty poor form for him to be giving advice about what the Tigers should and shouldn't do, we have a new coach that I would rather have do that.

I just see it as a media commentator with a very unique perspective on the subject giving his views, I don't understand why people would automatically assume his views won't be at least a little insightful and interesting...for all his flaws, he has a very good football brain.

White was drafted in 2005 pre-season draft ...during Wallace era. Like many others during Wallace years, he has kicked on in 2010 under a new coaching regime

Well spotted dtbs, my mistake, I'd bumped him a year below the '04 draft in my mind instead of a year after.

 

[Dustin Credible]

I've heard everything from 'the gameplan was too complicated' through to 'there was no gameplan'...at least one of them can't be right. Without intimate knowledge of which - if either - is true (and I suspect the proponents of each view would be equally adamant they have it right), I guess there's not much point in discussing issues that may or may not have existed.

It is concievable that a gameplan, could be so convoluted,confusing and reactionary to the opposition, to the extent that in effect, it does not exist in any meaningful way. So both can be right.

 

[1980GFVideo]

I can visualise a young player listening to the radio and hearing Terry pumping him up.

Kicks the radio and screams 'Youve just ruined my chances of being picked up'

must admit that Miller comes across as the type of bloke who would be pretty territorial about any area that he believes that is his.

If Terry didnt believe in the picks I think Miller would be a little bit Grant Thomas like. I wonder if Terry got reminded that he didn't pick Carey from NSW.

The bloke couldnt coach but Im not totally sure how much control he had over this area with Miller around.

 

[Bruce Monteath]

It is concievable that a gameplan, could be so convoluted,confusing and reactionary to the opposition, to the extent that in effect, it does not exist in any meaningful way. So both can be right.

Terry's existential gameplan - I like it DC.

 

[leighroy]

wallace is just gunna tell us that we need skinny flankers and that dimma got the boys to top heavy lol

 

[santa claws]

it think for certain wallace is blamed for everything.

im sure while wallace was bad in many ways the blame he cops by supporters is over the top.

lets just say wallace had minimal input into drafting and list management but is the principal person responsible for development of those players and game plan and strategies etc . yep he failed at the latter but the buck should not stop with him for the former.
when you look at the vast majority of players who have come and gone in his time
its been mostly glass half full types who have gone and the more rounded better skilled players have survived.
wallace got lots of things wrong, but he is not responsible for everything that went wrong at the club.
i for one fear for our club if the process is as some suggest it was with wallace, hardwick is responsible for recruiting and list management and everything in between.

imo while he hardwick should have some say in these areas, ie he may say i think we need a highly skilled outside mid this coming draft, as he has he should defer to those whose job it is to recruit and manage our list and its structure.
the scenario may go on a bit further and end like this. hardwick wants that outside mid at say 4 but has to wait until the 3rd round because we would be ignoring two kids of quality to do so. the recruiters job is to draw the line in the sand after all its his job his responsibility hes the one whos watched and pored over tapes of these kids.its called the correct process.

we all know wallace was probably responsible for mcmahon being at the club.he certainly requested we go after him. it was millers job to say to terry yep we will trade for him, but the most we will give up for him is pick 35 because we feel there will be some outstanding long term kids still there at 18 and 19.
wallace was probably well within his rights to request we go after mcmahon it was down to miller to determine the cost.
imo miller paid over the odds because port were sniffing around this is a common thing with miller.

jon was another everyone blamed wallace for when the fact is it was francis jackson getting a valuable pick wrong. it happens every now and then at all clubs though in recent times top 10 picks are rarely missing.
many also blame miller for this pick but it was common knowledge millers choice was varcoe.

anyway while wallace was poor as i said i think supporters blame him for everything and this should not happen.
it is a concern because you start asking the question if they can sheet all the blame onto one person will they learn a thing and will those who have got away scot free make the same mistakes again with immunity. if this happens what have we learnt about going thru sound processes.

 

[IDGAF]

im sure while wallace was bad in many ways the blame he cops by supporters is over the top.

lets just say wallace had minimal input into drafting and list management but is the principal person responsible for development of those players and game plan and strategies etc .

Yep .............. or .... lets just say Miller and Wallace controlled the whole ship

LMAO Santa

contradictory for contradictories sake

If you think that Wallace and Miller were anything less than "tied at the hip" then you know less about our football club than most

cough ... Mc Mahon ... cough
cough ... Jon ... cough
Cough ....Tambling... cough

 

[blueNwhite unite]

Rayzor.. pleasee stop!

1.what more evidence do you want if the club, players, former players, etc are all saying hes a dudd, so you know more then them?

2.all of those recruits u got from the draft whilst the wallace era, more of those kids should have been playing senior games with the club not hiding in the VFL. the only way to devolop the kids is by playing against the best. VFL is a whole different game style do the AFL. eg: speed of play, structure etc..

3. if the Kangas didnt exist id definatly follow Richmond