Matt Priddis- Our best option for getting a Good draft Pick.

[bunsen burner]

Denton has some of the strangest ideas ive seen out of a newcomer to the forums. How old are you may I ask because I seem to think that most of the time, your judgements are illformed and illogical?

PS. Not a personal stab, just an observation.

His ideas (on this subject) are the same as mine. Would you call me ill informed and illogical? Surely you must have an inkling what my track record is like?

 

[Eagle87]

Priddis is untouchable and won't be traded.

One suspects this is closely related to:

West Coast are favorite for the spoon and Woosha is in serious danger of being sacked.

 

[bunsen burner]

Priddis is untouchable and won't be traded.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be. No one is debating whether Woosh will trade him or not because everyone knows he won't. The debate really centres around whether hypotyhetically it's a good idea or not.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

You could say from 2008-2010 he is probably one of only a few players who could say he had been good while others around him have flopped.

 

[WCE_phil]

Im all for priddis bashing and at times he deserves it. I also agree that our younger mids wont gel as a group while he is our general in there.

In saying that though i really,really think some of you are under rating him. He has consistantly got better in the last three years. That includes his weakness areas (disposal,making space,vision).

Whether or not his tackles are in the contest or not is irrelevant, in a team where tackling is one of our greatest weakness his statistically is a highlight.

He dominates clearance stats in almost every game he plays in, against midfields that are better than ours whilst copping a tag. Remember its not a clearance if the handball is 1-2 metres as it hasnt cleared the contest and doesn't count.

He does these things and more with almost 0 support. Theres no-one laying blocks for him like there is for other teams great inside mids, Theres no outside runners creating there to take the handballs and there's no-one taking the tag off of him.

Almost everyone on this board highly overrates draft picks and underrates players. Sure for a club like geelong he doesnt really have a place. But for a club like the gold coast where they are going to have a midfield dominated by youngsters priddis could well be invaluable for those first 3-4 years while their high picks develop.

He's already proven he can do all these things with no support. To the gold coast and with their concessions i would suggest he is worth a first round pick. Not in the top 5 or even top 10, but in the 10-20 range certainly.

 

[TREMBANYAMA]

He's already proven he can do all these things with no support. To the gold coast and with their concessions i would suggest he is worth a first round pick. Not in the top 5 or even top 10, but in the 10-20 range certainly.

After reading this thread detailing all of his limitations, I don't think the GC would be wanting to use their draft picks on said player.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

After reading this thread detailing all of his limitations, I don't think the GC would be wanting to use their draft picks on said player.

This is kind of the nub of it really.

Priddis is one of those players who is worth far more to the club than we would get for him on the trade table- that's not necessarily being complimentary to him- he is just one of those unglamorous, unskilled, perennially hard working spear carriers, whose best work goes unsighted because it happens under a pack with half a team on top of him, 30-40 times a game.

In today's ridiculously inflated draft pick market, if we traded him, we would be looking at a second round pick in the 20-30 range, because he is the kind of player who teams generally prefer to grow their own. If, just heading back to the 2006 super draft as our point of reference, that would give us a chance of one of the following- Tom Hislop; Gavin Urquhart; Albert Proud;23 Paul Stewart; Brent Renouf; Nathan Djerrkura; Shane Edwards; Brad Howard; Chris Dawes ;Eric MacKenzie ;Ricky Petterd. Any interest?

There are bargains to be had outside the first round, but for every bloke who comes off there are 10 who are ordinary or delisted.

 

[bunsen burner]

You could say from 2008-2010 he is probably one of only a few players who could say he had been good while others around him have flopped.

You're going to extreme lengths to back him in. let's just check the truth here: Through our bad patch his been a consistent ball winner and hasn't really dropped form. But he still can't hit a barn door, still can't hold the ball until an option is available, and has questionable decision making. What other players are doing is a red herring.

 

[bunsen burner]

He's already proven he can do all these things with no support. To the gold coast and with their concessions i would suggest he is worth a first round pick. Not in the top 5 or even top 10, but in the 10-20 range certainly.

Don't be silly. He's worth mid 30s.

At the end of the day he can't kick, can't hold the ball, and has questionable decision making. All the positives in the world don't change this and don't make up for it.

 

[ndot]

i would LOVE it if we traded priddis, but it will never happen.

he (along with a.selwood) personifies the deplorable state of our current midfield, in that he is slow and has atrocious kicking skills.

having said that, i truly believe he would be a gun if playing in a top 4 team. can certainly win a hard-ball - there's no disputing that.

 

[WCE_phil]

Don't be silly. He's worth mid 30s.

At the end of the day he can't kick, can't hold the ball, and has questionable decision making. All the positives in the world don't change this and don't make up for it.

Yeah mid 30's....... For the 1 in 20 chance we're going to find a better player.

 

[bunsen burner]

Yeah mid 30's....... For the 1 in 20 chance we're going to find a better player.

I'd delist him so a 1 in 20 chance is appealing. Prefer to upgrade a pick if anything.

 

[sTeeL]

His ideas (on this subject) are the same as mine. Would you call me ill informed and illogical? Surely you must have an inkling what my track record is like?

Yes I would. Im talking that most of the arguments seem that way. But when it comes to Priddis, everyones thoughts are wrong. The better the team around Priddis, the better he will be utilised and the less he will have to carry the workload. He has his limitations but he does almost perfectly at what he does.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006186
10th clearances per game
4th contested possessions per game
1st for 1st possessions per game
3rd tackles per game

He plays a game style that players like Kerr and co cant due to the crash and bash nature of it and obviously his durability is high.

Half of the guys on here fail to understand how hard it is for a player to get that ball every time. Everyone is advocating Stevens as Priddis replacement... Is he gonna be as good as Priddis in close? Not likely. Well then theres the other option. Is he gonna get the ball and bust straight through the pack like Judd would have a few years ago. Maybe, but not likely.

 

[Eagle87]

Yes I would. Im talking that most of the arguments seem that way. But when it comes to Priddis, everyones thoughts are wrong. The better the team around Priddis, the better he will be utilised and the less he will have to carry the workload. He has his limitations but he does almost perfectly at what he does.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006186
10th clearances per game
4th contested possessions per game
1st for 1st possessions per game
3rd tackles per game

He plays a game style that players like Kerr and co cant due to the crash and bash nature of it and obviously his durability is high.

Half of the guys on here fail to understand how hard it is for a player to get that ball every time. Everyone is advocating Stevens as Priddis replacement... Is he gonna be as good as Priddis in close? Not likely. Well then theres the other option. Is he gonna get the ball and bust straight through the pack like Judd would have a few years ago. Maybe, but not likely.

There is no helping you.

He plays one position. He isnt best 20 in the league in that 1 position.

You say he is a gun but no other side would see him as anything beyond a role or squad player. He wouldnt attract a top 30 pick.

By the way, with all those nice stats, when did he last take a game over and win it, like number 1 offensive mids do?

As I said, there is no helping you.

 

[GWeagles]

The Priddis debates would be meaningful if he wasn't in our best 22. He is. No one is going to trade him for a pick that will give us a better player. We can't field a team of 19 year olds. We need a mix of players while we rebuild. He serves a purpose. The reality is that we have plenty of players who butcher the ball far worse than him, have worse decision making skills and struggle to get the ball. At least he gets the ball. The game starts from having possession.

 

[sTeeL]

He's not an offensive mid. I never said he was a gun. But he can rove a tap almost to perfection. He will win us games when the players around him arent shithouse.

E87, your opinion is always less than useless as once you have formed an opinion you will bash it to death regardless of the facts. Yes we all understand you hate Priddis and Wilkes. I never said he wouldnt get a top30 pick. If he was to be put out there, I reckon he would be worth 10-15. He wont be though so its a pointless discussion.

 

[Eagle87]

He's not an offensive mid. I never said he was a gun. But he can rove a tap almost to perfection. He will win us games when the players around him arent shithouse.

E87, your opinion is always less than useless as once you have formed an opinion you will bash it to death regardless of the facts. Yes we all understand you hate Priddis and Wilkes. I never said he wouldnt get a top30 pick. If he was to be put out there, I reckon he would be worth 10-15. He wont be though so its a pointless discussion.

If he isnt an offensive mid, what is he?

Top 15? bwahahahahaha ....

EDIT: I dont hate either of those players, they just arent AFL players are we would be better off without them.

 

[Eagle87]

By the way, here is the rest of the Top 20 as regards "first possession", Priddis' one real AFL trait:

Moloney, Boyd, Watson, Cooney, Judd, Sandilands, Hudson, Hayes, Hodge, Black, Swallow, Mundy, Ball, Bolton, Dal Santo, Mitchell, J Selwood, Cross.

Now honestly, on that list, ruckman aside, is there a player that Priddis is better than? The less articulate might make a case for Bolton or Moloney but seriously ... even in his best category, you wouldnt pick him as a player over 98% of the top 40.

 

[bunsen burner]

Yes I would. (call you informed and illogical)

1. I stated Priddis was over rated years ago and wanted to trade him when we could have gotten a first rounder
2. I wanted Lindsay Thomas when everyone thought he was a dud
3. I was the first person on this board to laud the Judd selection. Everyone wanted Polak up until then.
4. I wanted to trade Lynch and Embley last year. Pretty much everyone wanted to keep Lynch, and many Embley.

Feel free to go through 9 years of my posts and find something that I got wrong. You will find a handful at best. No disrespect but I roll my eyes at many posters here who think the same shit year on year and can't see that they have it wrong and others have it right.

Im talking that most of the arguments seem that way. But when it comes to Priddis, everyones thoughts are wrong.

I've been right before about Priddis and now I'm wrong? It's like a broken record with many of the posters on this board. You fall into the same mistakes over and over and over again. When will some of you people twig?

The better the team around Priddis, the better he will be utilised and the less he will have to carry the workload. He has his limitations but he does almost perfectly at what he does.

That goes with all other 700 players in the AFL.

To win a flag you need mids who can do what Priddis does AND have pace, good disposal, good decision making etc. he'll have a little less pressure so some more space and time to select a target but a) there will be better players, and b) right now he is stopping a better player's development




http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006186

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006186
10th clearances per game
4th contested possessions per game
1st for 1st possessions per game
3rd tackles per game

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006186
Where's his stats for speed, pace, decision making, poise?

Half of the guys on here fail to understand how hard it is for a player to get that ball every time.

Everyone is advocating Stevens as Priddis replacement... Is he gonna be as good as Priddis in close? Not likely. Well then theres the other option. Is he gonna get the ball and bust straight through the pack like Judd would have a few years ago. Maybe, but not likely.

He'll probably be quicker, have more poise, be a better decision maker and hence an allround better player. And if it's not Stevens it will be someone else.

And just in case you missed it" whilst peanuts like you were claiming Priddis was an A-grader, worth a first round pick, potential Brownlow winner et al, I had already picked him for a hack. But hey, I'm informed and illogical and you're not.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Priddis occupies space Steel. You take out Priddis and someone else goes to the bottom of the pack, it happens in football. He gets their allot because the ball is tapped to him more often and he's flat footed when he gets the ball.

Stupid to compare him to Stevens, Priddis does not rate at the same age.

He's bad for our midfield rotation and doesn't have a hope in hell of playing for this team beyond 2011.

I say we trade him, Goldcoasts pick 26 would be fair value.

 

[Eagle87]

Priddis occupies space Steel. You take out Priddis and someone else goes to the bottom of the pack, it happens in football. He gets their allot because the ball is tapped to him more often and he's flat footed when he gets the ball.

Stupid to compare him to Stevens, Priddis does not rate at the same age.

He's bad for our midfield rotation and doesn't have a hope in hell of playing for this team beyond 2011.

I say we trade him, Goldcoasts pick 26 would be fair value.

Gold Coasts pick 26 would be robbery, by us!

He had 30 touches today - no impact, at all, on the game....

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Gold Coasts pick 26 would be robbery, by us!

He had 30 touches today - no impact, at all, on the game....

Ok...

Priddis + Spangher.

 

[Obeanie1]

Gold Coasts pick 26 would be robbery, by us!

He had 30 touches today - no impact, at all, on the game....

Before you question the effectiveness of his 30 disposals think about who he was dishing it out to?

Last night I watched the game at a BBQ thank god and didn't watch all of it but one thing that was glaringly obvious was our guys running past the ball carrier to recieve. There was stuff all running at all, we were flat footed and looked like punch drunk fighters.

If Pridis was dishing the ball out to a decent midfield who knew where to run and time their runs he'd be seen as a gun inside mid.

Pick 26 is right on the money IMO, lowish second rounder for a ball magnet with some deficencies.

 

[bunsen burner]

Before you question the effectiveness of his 30 disposals think about who he was dishing it out to?

Last night I watched the game at a BBQ thank god and didn't watch all of it but one thing that was glaringly obvious was our guys running past the ball carrier to recieve. There was stuff all running at all, we were flat footed and looked like punch drunk fighters.

Even when we have not been flat footed Priddis fails to hit targets, can't hold the ball until targets become available. Last night I saw him rove a ruck contest from a standing start. He had no momentum to run around the contest so had to snap it foward and cross his fingers. Classic Priddis.

If Pridis was dishing the ball out to a decent midfield who knew where to run and time their runs he'd be seen as a gun inside mid.

Like he was when he first started?

I'd rather an inside mid that gets 70% of the clearances he does and have 70% of them be effective. Rather than 100% of clearances and maybe 40% tops be effective.

His disposal will improve with better teams but he will always be limited.

 

[Obeanie1]

Even when we have not been flat footed Priddis fails to hit targets, can't hold the ball until targets become available. Last night I saw him rove a ruck contest from a standing start. He had no momentum to run around the contest so had to snap it foward and cross his fingers. Classic Priddis.


Like he was when he first started?

I'd rather an inside mid that gets 70% of the clearances he does and have 70% of them be effective. Rather than 100% of clearances and maybe 40% tops be effective.

His disposal will improve with better teams but he will always be limited.[/quote]

Come on, Pridis has improved allot since the year he started and had a decent midfield around him.

And as you said his disposal will improve with a better team and sure his pace will limit him. But a pick in the 20's is on the money. Pick 30+ wouldn't be worth it.