Dismantling of Cat empire

[Sttew]

I suspect McCartney was told he would NOT get the top job at Skilled. As it turns out, a good decision by the Club.

 

[Sttew]

Bloke signs a contract, club enforces contract...simple.

Unless he never had a contract???

Contract Law 101 - contracts can be verbal or written with express and implied terms.

 

[STC]

It's karma for Frank Costa.

Came on radio early this year and bagged the Pies over their coaching set up.

Who is laughing now Frank? Destroyed in the prelim, best player walks, coach walks, assistants on the way out, Milburn resigned.

Lol, Geelong are proof that AFL is a brutal business and you have to make the most of your time in the sun cos it does not take long for the fall to come.

Frank Costa will walk out of football this year having turned Geelong from a basket case in huge debt into a powerhouse on and off the field. He hired Brian Cook, and together they eradicated the debt, redeveloped the stadium, got us 40,000 members and hired the staff that took Geelong to 2 flags, something we hadn't been able to do for 44 years.

Somehow I doubt he's going to walk out regretting one sentence he uttered about Collingwood's succession plan...

 

[lyfsux]

If Hinkley gets the senior job it's hard to see Sanderson sticking around - so that would be yet another change.

I think thats what Collingwood are waiting for to replace Brown as vfl coach because Buckley wants Sanderson there when he takes over

 

[HFF]

It's just the way football is nowadays.

When you have been the best for a period of time, other clubs will attempt to emulate and poach from you.

However, the only bit of "irony" (for a lack of a better word) in this Geelong implosion, is that Frank Costa was very vocal early on in the season about the Mick Malthouse-Nathan Buckley regime suggesting it was doomed and that Malthouse was a control freak etc etc etc that he forgot to look and see what was transpiring in his own backyard.

Seems he was the first to jump off the sinking ship.

 

[demoniac]

It pretty much does. My memory of it is that players outside the top 10 who meet the criteria will be able to move to their club of choice. Neither Ball or Tarrant would have met this classification and as such no drama's.

This will only be the first step, it will eventually become unrestricted free agency and all players will be able to move after a certain period.

No one has the right to tell someone where they will work. Fine, during the first 5 years call it an apprenticeship but after that free to go.

if the players gain unrestricted free agency will they no longer want the special AFL guarantees their contracts if the a club runs out of money safey net they currently enjoy... thats the issue for the players, the more employment freedom they enjoy the less special treatment they deserve surely...

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Seems he was the first to jump off the sinking ship.

Far canal, the thickness.

He was always planning on leaving. It was not a surprise to anyone except you.

 

[Barabbas]

It's karma for Frank Costa.

Came on radio early this year and bagged the Pies over their coaching set up.

Who is laughing now Frank? Destroyed in the prelim, best player walks, coach walks, assistants on the way out, Milburn resigned.

Lol, Geelong are proof that AFL is a brutal business and you have to make the most of your time in the sun cos it does not take long for the fall to come.

To be fair Costa never said that on radio, he said it at what he thought was a private lunch and it was overheard by a journalist. He probably shouldn't have said it, but he's no Kennett.

 

[STC]

Seems he was the first to jump off the sinking ship.

He set his retirement date 3 years ago He actually stayed longer than he was supposed to.

 

[rose jam]

The Pies were brained mercilessly in the 2009 PF against the Cats, and look what happened the next year.

Yeah we did. Oh yeah baby we did!


Go Pies!

 

[bfstupid]

Contract Law 101 - contracts can be verbal or written with express and implied terms.

Contract Law 102 - contracts of the type being discussed must be written.

 

[Kimbo]

Probably pulled it out of her own arse. As a kangas supporter I would've thought you'd be familiar with the quality of her *ahem* work.

This sad-excuse of a human being should be working for a women's gossip mag and not employed as a "chief" *s******s* football writer of a newspaper.

Yes, more than familiar. That's why I thought I'd post a question on here, checking out more reliable thources!

Sounds like typical Caro crap then? Honestly, she has a dark side that seems to like conjuring stories of gloom and demise. I know mainstream journalism is about if it bleeds, it sells, but geez...

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

While the anti-Collingwood trolls are busy pointing out how unscrupulous our tactics are vis-a-vis other clubs, I'm surprised to see so few threads on perhaps the biggest story going around in AFL:

- The dismantling of the mighty Cat empire.

GC took Ablett, no surprise.

Collingwood humiliated Geelong in the Preliminary Final, ok.

Essendon poaching Geelong's coaching staff, with suspicion that the Bombers were talking to Thompson during the season.

Thompson then, according to Caro anyway, apparently luring Brendan McCartney to Essendon even though he has a 3-year deal.

It's an interesting piece from Caro, and just shows how ruthless it can be.

This is the nature of the business, it's not unique to any club.

Essendon is trying to poach Geelong's staff, Carlton trying to poach Collingwood's staff, Collingwood got Luke Ball for nothing, Richmond will get Bachar Houli for nothing, this is the AFL today.

None of it may seem "moral", but it's everyone out for themselves.

From a personal perspective, it's a smart move by Macca. Far from any guarantees that the new coach will want to keep him. He's looking out for himself and his family.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Again it would only fix half the problem. Whilst the AFL allows players to go into a draft with conditions attached to themselves, the risk a mockery being made of the process.

why would it only fix half the problem?

the draft would only be utilised to distribute new players into the competition. new players dont attach conditions to themselves.

restricted FA would be implemented for uncontracted players with less than 6 years service in the league. have a system where such a player is free to solicit offers from other clubs if he so chooses, but if his current club can match the offer (or ideally come within a certain % of the offer, say 10%) then he stays at the original club. if the new club signs the player, they compensate the original club with draft picks. the issue of players attaching conditions to themselves is not a problem because the player is technically a free agent, just in a restricted form.

unrestricted FA would allow any uncontracted player with more than 6 years of service in the league to be free to solicit offers from other clubs with no conditions.

the only situation where players may still attach conditions to themselves is if they're still contracted. the only avenue for them to move to another club is via exchange. players and clubs would need to find a willing participant in a trade. that's their problem, theyre still contracted, they signed the deal!

abolish the 92.5% TPP minimum and salary cap mgmt takes a whole new shape in FA...........for the better!

 

[STC]

Contract Law 102 - contracts of the type being discussed must be written.

Brian Cook spent something like 8 years at Geelong without ever having signed a piece of paper.

 

[Ricmel]

why would it only fix half the problem?

the draft would only be utilised to distribute new players into the competition. new players dont attach conditions to themselves.

!

So you are saying that the draft only applies to the initial intake? Once the player is into the AFL via the draft he becomes an FA, subject to contractual obligations?

 

[raff23]

Well there was also the barracking for Brisbane back in 02/03.

I am taking the piss to be honest. If the Pies can replicate what the cats did ie win two flags i will be over the moon. Winning one is tough but getting another one is even tougher as everyone comes after you once you are top dog and as MM said he invented our box strategy to beat Geelong, it took him 4 years to get it right.

Right now every coach in the AFL will be trying to dismantle the Pies game plan, someone will get it right, our players will get battle fatigue.

TBH it actually isnt that difficult to dismantly theoretically, its putting it into a game situation that could be the issue for alot of clubs. Collingwoods box strategy effectively kills the handball happy game style that the cats had prided themselves on. Kicking the ball instead of handballing releases the pressure even if its a 15m kick, the player than has to man the mark instead of making a tackle if a player had handballed it. You will see alot of sides next year kick the ball more against the pies, make them earn the turnover instead of gift wrapping it. Highly skilled sides can dismantle the pies next year its a matter of doing it over 4 quarters.

 

[pazza]

Seems to me there are problems at Sleepy Hollow that the goings-on of the last few weeks are beginning to show.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Seems to me there are problems at Sleepy Hollow that the goings-on of the last few weeks are beginning to show.

Like?

 

[pazza]

Like?

Reading some of the statements above about the working relationship of McCartney and Hinkley - no-one outside of Geelong would have known about that.

The very public dressing down by Thompson on Ablett - I think that has bred instability - by not backing Gary in publicly and being regularly critical of him, it helped Gary to make up his mind to leave. And then Thompson throws the twist in of himself leaving.

The fact Costa is leaving as president. He has been the chief reason behind the stability down there.

The fact that Cook himself is helping to oversee the appintment of the new coach. Surely he has enough to do to not worry about the appointment and that he would have trusted lieutenants to do this - or doesn't he trust anyone else?

Giving Laidler and Djekkuera the flick, despite both being part of Geelong's future and retaining Milburn, who looked past it for much of 2010. What kind of message does that send for the kids coming through?

Plenty of problems down there.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Reading some of the statements above about the working relationship of McCartney and Hinkley - no-one outside of Geelong would have known about that.

2 people in a workplace aren't best mates? Hinkley hasn't even been there this year.

The very public dressing down by Thompson on Ablett - I think that has bred instability - by not backing Gary in publicly and being regularly critical of him, it helped Gary to make up his mind to leave. And then Thompson throws the twist in of himself leaving.

You think the players would have sided with Gary? After they all sacrificed income to stay together, and he goes and chases the cash? Gary was never going to stay.

And if Thompson is not 100% committed to the job, why would we want him around anyway?

The fact Costa is leaving as president. He has been the chief reason behind the stability down there.

Entirely as planned, known for years.

The fact that Cook himself is helping to oversee the appintment of the new coach. Surely he has enough to do to not worry about the appointment and that he would have trusted lieutenants to do this - or doesn't he trust anyone else?

Why wouldn't he help? If you want to imagine there is something wrong with this, be my guest.

Giving Laidler and Djekkuera the flick, despite both being part of Geelong's future and retaining Milburn, who looked past it for much of 2010. What kind of message does that send for the kids coming through?

Both wanted more opportunity elsewhere, we didn't give them the flick at all. And Milburn had a very good year, though you will of course tell me he didn't.

Plenty of problems down there.

Finger crossed eh?

 

[Sttew]

Contract Law 102 - contracts of the type being discussed must be written.

Says who?

 

[winty]

In 2010 there were alot of signs that they could be beaten regularly which was highlighted by the Adelaide Crows win. The cats started to look a little old, injuries started playing a part and they struggled against teams with outright pace.

Of course the players seeing one of their mates in club doctor Geoff Allen collapse with a heart attack right in front of them 30 minutes before the game had nothing to do with that.

Seems to me there's a lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread. I just hope for your sake the coaching staff of your teams don't have the same mind-set, as there could be a lot of people wiping egg off their faces next year.

Maybe after 11 years of Thompson at the helm, what the team needs is a different voice and some fresh ideas to revitalise the place. I guess time will tell.

 

[Equus]

Didn't Kevin Sheedy say clubs should "raid" Geelong this year?

 

[Sttew]

In 2010 there were alot of signs that they could be beaten regularly which was highlighted by the Adelaide Crows win. The cats started to look a little old, injuries started playing a part and they struggled against teams with outright pace.

17 wins, 5 losses, no consecutive losses. Yeah that was being beaten regularly.

Fact is, Cats were only a sniff away from beating the Saints in the QF. They would probably have faced off against the Pies in a 4th consecutive GF. And lost...