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Opinion 2011 Top 50

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AUSSIE GUN said:
Didn't notice Pendlebury too much tbh.

Shaw, Reid, Cloke, Swan, Ball, Tarrant and Thomas better imo. Maybe even Jolly and O'Brien.

Happy to keep him at 2 and Ablett at 3 though.
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Pendlebury was better than Swan, Shaw, Ball at the very least. I'd also include say better than Tarrant. He was defensively good at times but I thought it was more Collingwood's setup and Hawthorn's lack of setup that had Buddy going up against 2/3v1 a lot and the delivery to him was also terrible.

IMO being at the game:

1. Reid
2. Pendlebury
3. Cloke
4. Thomas
5. Swan
 
Not sure what game I was watching then. Maybe I've come to expect more from him, or maybe it's because he got rid of the dreads a few weeks ago. Got that judgement wrong then.

Anyway, I'll keep him at 2.
 
I would think that Cloke is only slightly behind Pendlebury for us this year, if not on par. He has been incredible all year. Should be close to top 10, slightly ahead of Thomas.
 
Had Cloke 13th on a list last night. I'll put him up a bit higher.

Bumped Goldstein up ahead of Swallow as well.


1. Murphy
2. Pendlebury
3. Ablett
4. Judd
5. Cox
6. Mitchell
7. Griffen
8. Thomas
9. Wells
10. Franklin
11. Thompson
12. Fyfe
13. Cloke
14. Kelly
15. Bolton
16. Fisher
17. Priddis
18. McPharlin
19. Goldstein
20. Watson

I think that was how I had the top 20. Shaw 21st. Swallow 22nd. Can't remember the rest. Maybe Thomas is too high.

Swan was in the 25 now.
 

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Not quite ahead of Buddy (yet), but IMO has had a better year than all of Mitchell, Griffen, Thomas, Wells, Thompson & Fyfe... but I'm definitely biased.
I think Ablett should actually be #1, Murphy #2 & Pendles #3.
 
robertg22 said:
I think Ablett should actually be #1, Murphy #2 & Pendles #3.
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I'd have Ablett 1, Pendles 2, Murphy 3, but yeah, Ablett a pretty clear 1 for mine.

There's literally not a single thing Murphy does better than Ablett on the football field, and Ablett's doing it in a worse team.
 
Yeah can't disagree with rating Pendles ahead of Murphy. I do love the man.

Ablett's still #1 regardless, to do what he has done this year with little to no support is mindblowing. He is averaging career highs in kicks per game and tackles, which indication on his game becoming even more well rounded, which is a ridiculous really.
 
I agree with your maybe Ablett should be no.1 thinking. He is playing for a team that would get beaten by the worst fitzroy teams in history. He is still getting 30+ possessions and getting bags of 2,3 or even 4 in a game.

34 possessions 8 clearances 14 tackles and 3 goals is just insane numbers and it wasn't even his best game of the season.He is the best player in the league by a long way and if he isn't ranked one yet he will be in a week or two.
 
Marc Murphy should be #1. He has had a great year since the very start. Ablett had some very shaky weeks at the start, and has now found great form. Surely Murphy should be #1, since he has performed at a very high level, pretty much every single week.
 

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I'll probably bring Mundy, Sandilands and Jamison out of the list. They are going to be missing too much football, so I may as well bring them out now.

Have 6 Eagles in at the moment. Hurn comes in to join Cox, Priddis, Glass, Kennedy and Embley. Unsure of the order after Cox and Priddis.

Struggling with Geelong. Kelly, Selwood (has missed 6 games but because he was close to no.1 before suspension, he doesn't drop right out), Scarlett and SJ are probably the top 4. Then Corey and Enright. Chapman and Bartel the iffy ones.

No change with the Swans. Goodes, Bolton and O'Keefe stay in.

Missed the Hawks game but Franklin, Mitchell and Gibson were all good apparently. Birchall will probably stay in as well. Hodge building.

Richmond are tough as well now, seems Cotchin was ok. Martin? Deledio? Deledio has always been a favourite of mine but part of me thinks I'm rating him too highly this year.
 
AUSSIE GUN said:
I'll probably bring Mundy, Sandilands and Jamison out of the list. They are going to be missing too much football, so I may as well bring them out now.

Have 6 Eagles in at the moment. Hurn comes in to join Cox, Priddis, Glass, Kennedy and Embley. Unsure of the order after Cox and Priddis.

Struggling with Geelong. Kelly, Selwood (has missed 6 games but because he was close to no.1 before suspension, he doesn't drop right out), Scarlett and SJ are probably the top 4. Then Corey and Enright. Chapman and Bartel the iffy ones.

No change with the Swans. Goodes, Bolton and O'Keefe stay in.

Missed the Hawks game but Franklin, Mitchell and Gibson were all good apparently. Birchall will probably stay in as well. Hodge building.

Richmond are tough as well now, seems Cotchin was ok. Martin? Deledio? Deledio has always been a favourite of mine but part of me thinks I'm rating him too highly this year.
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Looks good. Hurn probably deserves to be in now.
Bartel looked all at sea on Friday night.
O'Keefe keeps up his extremely underrated year.
Gibson had an interesting battle. Looking at the statistics alone you'd say that Brown was damaging on him. However, watching the game reveals how important Gibson was to the composure of the backline and the reading of opposition play inside the forward 50.
Cotchin was the Richmond standout last night. I gave him second BOG. Other people maybe wouldn't have him in their top 5. Thought he was clear BOG for the first three quarters and just got overwhelmed by numbers in the end.

Also, Ablett's out for an unknown amount of time so he probably won't get to the mantle of no. 1 on your list this year. However, he is a master footballer so we can't put it beyond him.
 

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AUSSIE GUN said:
Just going on the match report and the Hawks board. Nearly every poster is giving him BOG.
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Gibson was very good. He had a lot of effective spoils in marking contests.
He got help, but IMO he did a very good job. Followed up his work from his spoils as well.
 
Another good game today and surely Robinson has to be seriously considered? His statistics over the past 5 weeks have been elite.

Robinson versus the top 4 (sans Ablett - Gold Coast site doesn't have game by game stats, for some reason but he eclipses them all):
Mitch Robinson:
29 touches, 6 clearances, 13.6 contested possessions, 4 tackles, 0.8 goals, 0.8 contested marks a game over the past 5 weeks.
Marc Murphy:
28.8 touches, 5.6 clearances, 12.8 contested possessions, 4.4 tackles, 1.6 goals, 0 contested marks over the past 5 weeks.
Chris Judd:
24.9 touches, 6.2 clearances, 12.8 contested possessions, 6 tackles, 0.8 goals, 0.2 contested marks over the past 5 weeks.
Scott Pendlebury:
28.2 touches, 4.2 clearances, 11.8 contested possessions, 6.5 tackles, 1 goal, 0 contested marks over the past 5 weeks.

He picked up 22 Coaches Associations votes over those 5 games too, polling 9, 8, 4 and 1. Admittedly against average opposition but noteworthy nonetheless.
 
Probably not for Robinson. Unlucky at best.

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That's what I have at the moment (players are roughly in order from their respective teams). Trying to get the 30-50 sorted because I haven't done it for over a month.

Sandilands, Mundy and Jamison have joined Merrett in the unlucky with injury pile.
 
Franklin was pretty good this round. Had 26 touches & 3 goals. Worked up very hard up the ground and it allowed Hale and a few others space to kick goals.

Cloke is not far behind him on this seasons form. Just looking at stats

Franklin - 20.3 disposals
Cloke - 15.4 disposals

Franklin is always going to find more of the pill because of his ability to go through the middle and his ability when the ball hits the deck.

Cloke - 7.4
Franklin 6.2

Cloke is a much better contested mark than Buddy no doubt. Would go as far as saying Cloke is the best contested mark I have seen in the last decade. Just an absolute machine, whereas Buddy takes a lot of his marks because of his superior pace on the lead, and his ability to blow his opponent off running back from the middle.

Goals -

Franklin - 3.5
Cloke - 2.9

Franklin is more dangerous around the sticks and is able to get the ball in goal scoring positions more than anyone else in the comp. Probably should be averaging 4.5 goals per game, but he is averaging 3.2 behinds per game as well.

Tackles -

Cloke - 3.1
Franklin - 2.5

Both apply pretty good defensive pressure for big guys. Cloke obviously has the edge slightly so far this year in tackling and is a very mobile unit for a power forward.

I50

Cloke - 4.9
Franklin - 3.2

Due to Clokes superior marking ability and leading up to wings, he has more I50s. Franklin will often get the ball at ground level and often handpass in traffic as opposed to being the player who kicks it Inside 50 like Cloke does. Franklin is more of a 1-2, playmaking running type midfielder when he is up the ground, whilst Cloke clunks contested marks and kicks it direct.

Other stats

SC -

Franklin 110.1
Cloke - 98.1

Goals Contributed -

Franklin 4.3
Cloke -3.4

Based on these stats I think both should be Top 10. Both are having super seasons and are absolute weapons. I would have Buddy slightly ahead because of scoreboard impact and his ability to win the ball in all parts of the ground, but Cloke is having close to the kind of year Nick Riewoldt used to have in his prime and is just a marking machine. Some people say it's been an average year for forwards, but I disagree. Both Cloke & Buddy are having great years, whilst Kennedy is also having a super season.

My Top 10 would go like this -

1. Ablett
2. Pendlebury
3. Murphy
4. Franklin
5. Mitchell
6. Griffen
7. Judd
8. Cox
9. Cloke
10. Thomas
 
eaglespremiers said:
He's quiet games from rounds 3 - 9 hurt his chances but certainly has been fantastic since.
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Yup, agree no end.

Surely a list this big should reward consistency, and maintain some weight on early season form - unlike every media award that seems influenced by late season form.

Murphy and Pendlebury will stream ahead now that Ablett has gone down.

Could we say that that injury has interrupted career best form?
 

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