Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[Dean3]

or that they are the only buildeings to collapse from fire....

Maybe you can enlighten us with your obviously extensive research into how many buildings of precisely this type of construction have collapsed after being deliberately hit by a commercial airliner and then burning at high temperature?

Please do enlighten us.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Serious question - What are the odds of all of the main supporting struts that were holding the buildings together giving way at exactly the same time causing the top 20 or so floors to compact directly onto the rest of the building, which then resulted in the impact cascade which ultimately brought the entire building down? Twice!

I can understand one girder or maybe two on the main impact side giving way first, causing the top of the building to fall sideways, maybe taking out another 20 or so floors due to the impact and possibly taking out a whole side of a building. But not the entire building.

And why did the 2nd tower hit lose it's structural integrity first? Especially seeings as it was hit off center as well. It was the same size plane with equitable amounts of fuel on board as the first plane, so what happened there?

I'm not saying I believe they were brought down by explosives or a conspiracy or whatever, but these are real questions that no amount of science and mathematical trickery can really explain to a logical extent. It makes very little sense that the buildings collapsed as they did due to the damage caused by he planes.

But they did. So either it was the most unbelievable set of circumstances that occured twice within a half hour of each other or there is something else there.

Who knows for absolute sure?

This is all explained in the NIST and to a lesser extent the FEMA report. It is all logically explained by teams of scientists, engineers and researchers who have years of experience behind them.

To view their findings as 'mathematical trickery' is akin to Creationists labelling 'Darwinism' as simply another religion and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance in the nature of the sciences. There is no magic, there is no 'illusion', no hidden wires.

If you are sincere in really wanting to know what happened to those buildings the first place to look is these reports. There are a lot of casual dismissals and criticisms out there but they are generally leveled by people who haven't fully understood the text or, even worse, have not even read them and are simply regurgitating the queries of the former.

Read them (or even just the summaries) I emplore you. If you still don't think it possible or logical at least you will have a full understanding of the official explanation as investigated by experts with years of experience and have a base to argue from as to why it is wrong.

 

[Kellythatsit]

or that they are the only buildeings to collapse from fire....

Absolute rubbish

 

[vealesy]

And what did the nist reports say about wtc7?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

And what did the nist reports say about wtc7?

Why don't you read it and the full 9/11 commission report?

 

[exe ex machina]

Lol at anyone promoting the NIST report. It's been debunked countless times. Such that they even had to re-write it a few times as it got debunked each time.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Lol at anyone promoting the NIST report. It's been debunked countless times. Such that they even had to re-write it a few times as it got debunked each time.

Some "claim" to have debunked the reports but in the end it comes down to a misrepresentation of the text, whether deliberate or a genuine misunderstanding. The work is solid and has passed intense international scientific peer review and scrutiny.

This is the first time I have heard of any kind of a re-write. Perhaps you are referring to clarifications that have been added to the web site to help understand the findings.

Do you have a source for this? (please tell me it's not Prison Planet)

 

[Kellythatsit]

And what did the nist reports say about wtc7?

The answer to your question is fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.

Please read the full report for further information.

 

[vealesy]

What a load of shit.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

What a load of shit.

Arm chair engineer with a masters in conspiracy theories

 

[vealesy]

Real world engineer actually.

 

[Kellythatsit]

What a load of shit.

Thank you for your measured and well researched response.

I'm sure you can tell us all exactly where the NIST have failed to fully investigate, and why a controlled demolition is much more likely.

Remember though you need to account for all available and real evidence.

Good luck

 

[exe ex machina]

There are like 8 videos posted above with real-world scientific/engineering investigation that you fools are too scared to watch, and keep calling back on Loose Change.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Real world engineer actually.

Excellent, this is great - I assume you are a structural engineer.

Please let us know where the report is flawed.

Cheers

 

[Daytripper]

Real world engineer actually.

LOL - funniest lie I've ever read on Big Footy.

By the way they just released the audio transcipts of the various hijacked planes.

For those imbeciles who still believe a missile hit the Pentagon, then I suggest you read/listen.

http://www.rutgerslawreview.com/2011/full-audio-transcript/

 

[Kellythatsit]

There are like 8 videos posted above with real-world scientific/engineering investigation that you fools are too scared to watch, and keep calling back on Loose Change.

And this is where you guys are missing it . . .
You place too much importance in dubious, unreliable and manipulative YouTube videos put together by "Mr Anonymous" and dismiss actual reports released by qualified investigators, scientists and engineers.

As long as it fits with what you believe.

 

[exe ex machina]

Did you even watch them? Rhetorical, because we know you never would. And BECAUSE of that, you end up waving the flag of saying real-world investigation, real-world science, that directly disproves NISTs findings, to be 'unreliable/unqualified'. It's basically "lalala'ing".

And you guys are the ones who think they're correct in labeling everyone "imbeciles", "morons", "nuts", "idiots". It's like a thing now, just bandy those words about to the truth movement as tho it qualifies your stance, no need to discuss science yourselves.

It's quite sad the deluded feeling of smug validity that you guys carry yourselves around with on this topic, when in reality you're all actually clearly shown up and seen as the deluded and scientifically incorrect.

 

[Daytripper]

Did you even watch them? Rhetorical, because we know you never would. And BECAUSE of that, you end up waving the flag of saying real-world investigation, real-world science, that directly disproves NISTs findings, to be 'unreliable/unqualified'. It's basically "lalala'ing".

And you guys are the ones who think they're correct in labeling everyone "imbeciles", "morons", "nuts", "idiots". It's like a thing now, just bandy those words about to the truth movement as tho it qualifies your stance, no need to discuss science yourselves.

It's quite sad the deluded feeling of smug validity that you guys carry yourselves around with on this topic, when in reality you're all actually clearly shown up and seen as the deluded and scientifically incorrect.

Okay GG - now time for your meds and nap.

 

[exe ex machina]

Further on that point, to highlight how right I am about that....

I've posted many examples now of real world science, actual numbers, actual scientific real world experiments, actual data, and none of you can or could ever refute them, neither yourselves (because none of you are scientists, civil engineers), nor finding any other real world data/numbers from qualified scientists to disprove the data/info....because it cannot be. If science tells you jet fuel cannot melt steel, and that molten steel was clearly there (video and dust analysis etc), it cannot be refuted. Instead all the O/S can try to do is make up more bullshit theories like office equipment etc was the fuel for that etc. Stuff that is deliriously laughable scientifically. You have nothing. All you have is NIST which has already been debunked countless times over.

EDIT---and there it is! re: Daytripper's response. That's all you guys have. Ad hominem replies. But you don't realize how much you're taking a beating. Everyone who is borderline on the fence on this topic, only lean towards the truth side when reading the lack of quality of your side of the "debate". Clearly it's not a debate because you guys have nothing but reaching for ad hominem responses or holding up the NIST report not realizing it's long been proven toilet paper.

 

[tombomb]

Italy 1980 a bomb went of and slaughtered 85 people in Bologna. Grand Master of the mason lodge P2, Licio Gelli, the former agent of SISMI Francesco Pazienza, and the military secret service officers Pietro Musumeci and Giuseppe Belmonte were convicted of hampering the investigation. P2 Freemason's secret service created the bombing.. The point is these people in secret services can and do shit like this when needed..911 is no different except they planned it very well but got away with it..The people who created 911 now have made trillions on trillions in resources and will continue this so called war on terror for the next 10 years.. War never stops you noticed that? The same Families profit every time over the Centuries..

are you allowed to vote?

 

[Daytripper]

EDIT---and there it is! re: Daytripper's response. That's all you guys have. Ad hominem replies. But you don't realize how much you're taking a beating. Everyone who is borderline on the fence on this topic, only lean towards the truth side when reading the lack of quality of your side of the "debate". Clearly it's not a debate because you guys have nothing but reaching for ad hominem responses or holding up the NIST report not realizing it's long been proven toilet paper.

GG, I really shouldn't make fun of you as its quite obvious that you're NQR. I apologize for the previous comment.

There are others though who are just plain stupid.

 

[malph]

Further on that point, to highlight how right I am about that....

I've posted many examples now of real world science, actual numbers, actual scientific real world experiments, actual data, and none of you can or could ever refute them, neither yourselves (because none of you are scientists, civil engineers), nor finding any other real world data/numbers from qualified scientists to disprove the data/info....because it cannot be. If science tells you jet fuel cannot melt steel, and that molten steel was clearly there (video and dust analysis etc), it cannot be refuted. Instead all the O/S can try to do is make up more bullshit theories like office equipment etc was the fuel for that etc. Stuff that is deliriously laughable scientifically. You have nothing. All you have is NIST which has already been debunked countless times over.

EDIT---and there it is! re: Daytripper's response. That's all you guys have. Ad hominem replies. But you don't realize how much you're taking a beating. Everyone who is borderline on the fence on this topic, only lean towards the truth side when reading the lack of quality of your side of the "debate". Clearly it's not a debate because you guys have nothing but reaching for ad hominem responses or holding up the NIST report not realizing it's long been proven toilet paper.

You should publish. Even lecture. Get yourself out there.

You're clearly too good for the internet.

 

[rayven]

But they did. So either it was the most unbelievable set of circumstances that occured twice within a half hour of each other or there is something else there.

Who knows for absolute sure?

Shanksville crash site was unique
Penatgon crash site unique


Plenty of evidence of what the result of planes crashing into shit is, but these two apart from evidence to link saudi muslims to it conviently "disapeared" in a way that no other crash remotely similar has....

Still no one has admitted responsibilty to this, Saudi's froze all records of the guys involved so we dont know who put money in the banks and shit.........


Amazingly we just except what we are told by people refusing to be questioned over this.....

i once read about some reprisals in prague during the 40's, when the locals took out a german officer the germans would go and kill ten randoms....10 to one policy it got nicknamed.

Well currently after the war on terror started it has caused 8 million people to be displaced and 150 thousand or so dead....million or so wounded

That is a much more brutal reprisal policy than the NAZI's......

 

[CamTinley]

Why don't you read it and the full 9/11 commission report?

Have you read the 9/11 Commission report ?

If you have, (which I doubt) why would you carry on about it ? It's a laugh a minute.

 

[rayven]

Care to explain how then, genius.

Care to expalin how they wern't? genius