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Is Carltons 2012 Season Over?

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Carlton, touted by many as 2012 premiership favourites early in the season appear to have come unstuck and in a serious way. They are now sitting outside of the 8, with 6 wins and 6 losses just over half way through their season. Their next two matches are against Hawthorn, one of the top teams who have an excellent recent record against Carlton and Collingwood in red hot form and who should probably be the premiership favourites.

Right now the questions facing Carlton are where did it all go wrong and how can we fix it.

So where did it all go wrong? Most Carlton supporters will probably jump at the injury excuse, since this is probably second nature, but as we have seen the good sides that have been hit with injuries in Collingwood and WC find a way to win regardless.

Is it depth and therefore drafting, well Carlton have famously had a host of early picks throughout the last decade and on paper should have assembled a formidable squad capable of beating the best.

This then leads to the question that is it the staff, development, coaching or otherwise but I don't think this is the answer. There is only so far you can blame coaching staff for the failings of talented players.

No my theory is that the problem is that dirty word "culture", in this case a blame free culture. Simply put, blame cannot always be directed at the uncontrollables or external factors it has to start at the top.

The head coach Brett Ratten is becoming notorious for not only his lack of game day flexibility but also his barracking on the sidelines. He also has a penchant for mentioning things like injuries or alluding to umpiring factors.
The Carlton captain and champion Chris Judd, who is seriously under-performing and failing in his duties as captain, who should share in much of the blame, instead recieves effusive praise.
The early draft picks in Gibbs or Walker seem to escape criticism but also responsibility when they fail to stand up, yet it is clear from their lack of permanent position they are failing this year to even lock down modest roles.
This in turn has created a playing group that don't do the team things, don't do the hard stuff (famous Blues free footy) and don't stand up under pressure.
Fed by the the failure of those in positions of responsibility to take responsibility and acceptance of this by the fans, a truly unaccountable and blame free culture has developed.

Great evidence of this was seen on the weekend. Carltons 2012 season was on the line and Carlton instead of showing heart, were beaten across the park largely down to an insipid 1st half coaching and football display. Instead of embracing blame, it seems the players buoyed by CFC fan outrage have chosen to blame anyone but themselves. If only they had shown this much fight in matches that counted maybe things would be different.

TLDR: Personally I think Carlton are cooked. A blame free culture has festered and they need new staff, a shakedown of the playing group and hopefully then a fanbase that will clue in to where responsibility lies and maybe then the club can have some success.
 
Their season won't be over if they give Judd a rest, tell Waite to take the rest of the season off and get games into Bootsma, Lucas, Mitchell and Watson.

If they continue to play the likes of Aaron Joesph, Ellard and co, yes, their season is over.
 

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Armfield & Robinson are symptomatic. You can forgive Ellard and Joseph because they have little talent but the other 2 have got a bit of talent but are almost completely lacking in Football IQ. You can't cover that shit up any more the way it's played now. The must be spewing to let Jacobs go. Warnock is useless and Kruezer still getting back up to speed.

They are like Freo, take a few of the best 22 away and there is no cover. No depth. If they had their very best side they would trouble most.
 
With the draw we have left i think the best carlton can do is finish 8th and worst it will be 10th. Reality is season is over.. Sooner or later they are going to have to make a decision on Ratten. Its obvious he is struggling as a coach. Perhaps its now time to give Malthouse a call.
 
Armfield & Robinson are symptomatic. You can forgive Ellard and Joseph because they have little talent but the other 2 have got a bit of talent but are almost completely lacking in Football IQ. You can't cover that shit up any more the way it's played now. The must be spewing to let Jacobs go. Warnock is useless and Kruezer still getting back up to speed.

They are like Freo, take a few of the best 22 away and there is no cover. No depth. If they had their very best side they would trouble most.
See I agree to an extent, but that dosn't explain the selfish unaccountable footy they have been playing.

There is enough speed and scoring power there to trouble most teams, but they got flogged by Port and just seemed to give up. Seems to be as much attitude as depth of talent.
 
With the draw we have left i think the best carlton can do is finish 8th and worst it will be 10th. Reality is season is over.. Sooner or later they are going to have to make a decision on Ratten. Its obvious he is struggling as a coach. Perhaps its now time to give Malthouse a call.
Good post. A guy who does not accept either softness or failure, has a very different temperament to Ratten and it shows in the way he coaches.
 
They finished 5th last season? Were seriously overrated going into 2012, with a two man midfield of Judd and Murphy carrying the load. The team they beat in the finals has soared past them and the Eagles are even further ahead than when they played in the semi.

They're in trouble and Judd can't be expected to do it all. The return of Murphy might help them cling to a top 8 spot by the end of the season, but that'll be as good as it gets.
 
The problem is their drafting in the second and third rounds of 2005-07. After Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer they did extremely poorly. Hampson and Bower are the only other players they have who could be called serviceable from those drafts.
 
Why would it be over? They can still make the finals and from there anything can happen.

With a full side they can win the flag.

When is Murphy expected back?
Historically this is not the case.

Ratten set a big and vocal target for them this season. To win the flag recent history shows you must be top 4.
 

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Put it this way.... they will still make the finals, and I certainly wouldn't want to have to play them. On their day, they can be outstanding. So no, their season isn't over, they can still go deep into September. Not sure if they can go all the way without a top 4 spot though.
 
Put it this way.... they will still make the finals, and I certainly wouldn't want to have to play them. On their day, they can be outstanding. So no, their season isn't over, they can still go deep into September. Not sure if they can go all the way without a top 4 spot though.
Not sure there is any evidence to back this up.

So far they have been the finals easy beats, plus the brand of footy they play is not suited for finals.
 
Not sure there is any evidence to back this up.

So far they have been the finals easy beats, plus the brand of footy they play is not suited for finals.

I rekon blues when they get the full team back will still make finals , and this season is so even as other posters have said anything can happen and certainly would not like to play them if they do click again.
Im not sure how you could say there game is not suited to finals though ? They lost by what 2 points against you guys last year in a final at Subi without 3 of there good players at the time and 10 points last night.
 
Our season is definetly over, cant win the flag this year and in my opinion were an outside chance this year anyway (behind Geelong, Pies, Hawks and up there with Eagles). We may be able to scrape into the finals but wont do anything while we are there. It will be a waste of a year but there are reasons.

Obviously things havnt gone right this year, have had some serious injuries to key players and then the depth players to boot. For example:
Murphy, Waite, Laidler, Duigan, Carrazzo, Ellard, Walker, Yarran, Warnock are all best 22 who have missed chunks of football through injury.
Add to this the depth players who have been injured (and alot of those KP): White, Thornton, Mitchell, Davies, Rowe, Casboult. All those were expected to play roles this year at some point and be there for coverage.

So injury is a pretty good excuse. It isnt the only reason. Flucuations in form for players like Judd, Garlett, Curnow, Gibbs, Kruezer, Bower, Russell, Lucas hasnt helped. For some reason they are not playing good footy and have either stalled or gone backwards. A player like Curnow is a perfect example, his form last year was fantastic, this year has been poor.

In a way a couple more losses may not be a bad thing. Then we can play more of the kids and get a better idea of the list. Watson has shown a bit these last few weeks. Then get games into bootsma, mitchell, Mcinnes, buckley etc.

So if this year is a dud, then so be it, still wouldnt mind betting we can be top 4 next year with a bit of luck with injury.
 
I rekon blues when they get the full team back will still make finals , and this season is so even as other posters have said anything can happen and certainly would not like to play them if they do click again.
Im not sure how you could say there game is not suited to finals though ? They lost by what 2 points against you guys last year in a final at Subi without 3 of there good players at the time and 10 points last night.
Yet they have only won 1 final in how long?

We also had a number of players carrying injury, were just lucky to be there. Not a good look if you can't beat the 2011 wooden spooners either in Melbourne or in the finals. For most of the young players that was their first finals series.

Add to that Carlton seem to wilt under pressure and even their own captain has said they don't play for each other. No evidence at all they are finals competent.
 

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So far they have been the finals easy beats, plus the brand of footy they play is not suited for finals.
Lol at easy beats. Which team out of the lions, swans and the eagles beat us easily? You had so much joy writing this thread I can tell.

Yes we're in heaps of shit, and need to win one of the next two, otherwise with so many competitors for the 8, it looks beyond us.
 
It honestly boggles my mind the position they are now. After I thought "Shit, they're the real deal this year" after flogging us by 10 goals, I thought they would be shoo ins for top 4 and a real crack at the flag. Not looking likely right now, it's going to be a fight to even make finals for them and top 4 is a write off. You'd think that questions will be asked at seasons end about Ratten, if they don't make a move on him sooner. The lack of development in Gibbs game after so much hyping about him 'exploding' this year would be very worrying for Carlton.
 
It honestly boggles my mind the position they are now. After I thought "Shit, they're the real deal this year" after flogging us by 10 goals, I thought they would be shoo ins for top 4 and a real crack at the flag. Not looking likely right now, it's going to be a fight to even make finals for them and top 4 is a write off. You'd think that questions will be asked at seasons end about Ratten, if they don't make a move on him sooner. The lack of development in Gibbs game after so much hyping about him 'exploding' this year would be very worrying for Carlton.
I agree, there seems to be a great mental component to them under-performing.

People forget they have some huge talent in the team, but it just doesn't seem to be performing to expected levels.
 

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