Primus gone.

[PAUR]

Are Crows fans suggesting if Port was renamed in some way they would consider jumping over to whatever that club would be called? Otherwise who do they envision filling the gap of completely alienated Port fans who will never support Adelaide Power or Great Southern FC. Is it a whole swathe of 7 yr olds that will take 16 years to become financial members? The 3 people that moved interstate to Adelaide last year? The people that don't follow AFL but would love a new team?

Serious question because I have never understood why Crows fans suggest this, other than the obvious reason of it completely failing.

 

[Geoffa32]

Are Crows fans suggesting if Port was renamed in some way they would consider jumping over to whatever that club would be called? Otherwise who do they envision filling the gap of completely alienated Port fans who will never support Adelaide Power or Great Southern FC. Is it a whole swathe of 7 yr olds that will take 16 years to become financial members? The 3 people that moved interstate to Adelaide last year? The people that don't follow AFL but would love a new team?

Serious question because I have never understood why Crows fans suggest this, other than the obvious reason of it completely failing.

I can see the SANFL/AFL proposing the idea because they will say that the push of "Port Adelaide 1870" has failed. AFL will point the Footscray changing to Western Bulldogs and say it worked for them.

Don't think it is that good an idea though.

 

[Jumbo]

Nothing wrong with the brand!!

 

[Geoffa32]

Nothing wrong with the brand!!

You are probably correct.

Afterall you got a couple of crowds around the 40,000 mark late 2007.

 

[Freomaniac]

After seeing all the posts on here. Many are interesting.

When I watched that Port vs GWS game it seemed that the Players didnt get along with Primus. The players felt like they wanted to lose so it would cost Primus his job, Which it did. Coach was a small Problem. Playing coach, Recruiting staff, assistant coaches and Fitness coaches need to be changed as well. Seems unrealistic that Roos or Malthouse will coach Port.

If theres a realistic approach Port Need an experienced coach that has coached another club. Who ever coaches Port next season will not be capable of guiding Port tothe flag in the next 5 years. Port Need some one to build up the list for the next 4 years with youth. Similar to what robert walls did to Brisbane from 1991-1995 with Brisbane.

Scary thing was It was similar to what happened to Adelaide last year when Neil craig was still in charge against the saints. I still remember that Crows vs Saints game last season. It felt like the players didnt want to beat the saints. Crows had scored only 4 or 5 goals that night and the crows lost by a good 10 goals. Neil craig Made up his mind on that saturday or sunday night that He wasnt the right coach to guide Adelaide forward.

 

[PAUR]

I can see the SANFL/AFL proposing the idea because they will say that the push of "Port Adelaide 1870" has failed. AFL will point the Footscray changing to Western Bulldogs and say it worked for them.

Don't think it is that good an idea though.

I think you yourself as an ex-Port fan can appreciate that an entity supposedly representing PAFC without Port Adelaide in the name will instantly lose close enough to all Port Adelaide fans. I think you also acknoweldged that a new SA club (magic bullet approach) would not take anywhere near enough supporters from the Crows. That is not a whole lot of middle ground left to work with.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think you yourself as an ex-Port fan can appreciate that an entity supposedly representing PAFC without Port Adelaide in the name will instantly lose close enough to all Port Adelaide fans. I think you also acknoweldged that a new SA club (magic bullet approach) would not take anywhere near enough supporters from the Crows. That is not a whole lot of middle ground left to work with.

How many would drop off in "Southern Power" were winning games. Same entity, different name. Afterall the "branding" early on was Port Power, and that was when attendances and membership was at its highest.

But yes I don't agree with a rebranding, just think it may happen if less than 20,000 people go to games and the expected increase in attendees does not happen at Adelaide Oval.

 

[Cap]

it isn't about taking from the Crows.

it is about not losing fans/bringing in fans from supporting the non-SA based teams.

 

[mulz]

the brand is what it is , you cant change it now. there is a lot of port supporters around the traps, they just dont go anymore.

havent read much of this thread but whats with the president crying like a baby, it should of been about primus today not that sooky la la

 

[Geoffa32]

it isn't about taking from the Crows.

it is about not losing fans/bringing in fans from supporting the non-SA based teams.

Long term the club should be able to build a supporter base on its AFL life. This is where the Power has failed. Rebranding wont fix that.

What they need is a Modra type player to bring people to games.

 

[PAUR]

it isn't about taking from the Crows.

it is about not losing fans/bringing in fans from supporting the non-SA based teams.

You were talking about rebranding cannot see how that would retain the current, or attract ex-PAFC supporters. Then the question is new supporters in SA and I still haven't heard a sensible proposition aside from some of what Geoffa has posted (!)

Would you invest your own money in a second team or keep the status quo? Imagine yourself as the license holder extracting 1 million out of PAFC every year (after hand backs) or spending new capital attracting these SA based supporters of non-SA teams and somehow retaining all the current PAFC members plus all the disenchanted ones.

 

[Cap]

You were talking about rebranding cannot see how that would retain the current, or attract ex-PAFC supporters. Then the question is new supporters in SA and I still haven't heard a sensible proposition aside from some of what Geoffa has posted (!)

Would you invest your own money in a second team or keep the status quo? Imagine yourself as the license holder extracting 1 million out of PAFC every year (after hand backs) or spending new capital attracting these SA based supporters of non-SA teams and somehow retaining all the current PAFC members plus all the disenchanted ones.

It would be a bloody tough ask, but I can't see why the club couldn't get the vast majority to stick by it, I truly don't believe that the "vast majority" would pull up stumps and stop supporting the AFL or the team that is playing against the Crows - I know many many Port fans and none that I have met have categorically stated they would stop supporting.

of course, they may, if what ever the Power do completely alienates them but I doubt it.

 

[PowerKat]

I can see the SANFL/AFL proposing the idea because they will say that the push of "Port Adelaide 1870" has failed. AFL will point the Footscray changing to Western Bulldogs and say it worked for them.

Don't think it is that good an idea though.

the SANFL and the AFL have seen the report regarding our brand and agree (concede!) that being Port Adelaide is actually the best option. Crows fans jumping on that hobby horse yet again is pointless. Western Bulldogs worked for Footscray Geoffa? Wow - they're such a powerhouse now as a result of rebranding

Cap - I strongly doubt the current review included anything about the brand (as much as you like to think it should have), seeing as that is all water under the bridge and would only serve as a distraction to the significant issues facing the club, and those that are most obviously impacting on-field performance. The current review has focused on the football club - ie business/board operations side and football dept side (draft/recruit/fitness/develop/coach). The result thus far is the coach and president are gone and it seems there will be more 'heads to roll'.

Such reports mentioned would be 'commercial in confidence' and so if you think you can look forward to reading any of them, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[Cap]

I know, completely dreaming that I would ever get the opportunity to read it. - it would be the same if was the Crows.

 

[PAUR]

It would be a bloody tough ask, but I can't see why the club couldn't get the vast majority to stick by it, I truly don't believe that the "vast majority" would pull up stumps and stop supporting the AFL or the team that is playing against the Crows - I know many many Port fans and none that I have met have categorically stated they would stop supporting.

of course, they may, if what ever the Power do completely alienates them but I doubt it.

You probably didn't ask them

Conversely, I don't know one port supporter that would support anyone but the PAFC.

 

[Cap]

You probably didn't ask them

Conversely, I don't know one port supporter that would support anyone but the PAFC.

They say that now, but if they follow football theyfollow another local team (Crows,SANFL.Amateurs) follow an interstate team in spit of the new team

you don't just unlike footy because your team doesn't exist.

 

[King Elvis]

I strongly suspect they will pick Scott Burns. I believe the reason the crows did not pick Burns was because he wanted to rebuild Adelaide's list. That's a non-issue for Port though.

In 2014, they will be playing at Adelaide oval. Schulz, Butcher, Stewart, Westhoff are all currently fairly mobile KPF's. Potential to be a lot like WCE (Kennedy, Darling, Lynch, Cox/NicNat) + playing at a large ground. Be interesting to see if Burns would "export" the WCE system if appointed (see Roos/Ross)

The Crows didn't think Burns was ready; apparently Burns admitted he wasn't ready as well.

And Westhoff is shit.

3. Leave port as is and accept that introducing the crows as the state team was a huge mistake when it seemed obvious there was going to be a second club at some point..

Haha, what?

We aren't the mistake mate, the poorly supported, broke, cellar-dwelling shambles that you support is.

1. Rebrand port and alientate the Port Adelaide fan base. I know very few port supporters who would support a rebranded side. So who would follow this team? Crows fans always harp on about rebranding port, but are the crows fans going to be the ones to follow this new team?

In all seriousness, not sniping, but it's not like Port are heavily supported now.

You aren't risking losing much; what, 10,000 people who regularly go to games?

 

[Adz]

Feel sorry for Primus, bleeds for the club. Didn't deserve to be treated this way.

 

[PAUR]

They say that now, but if they follow football theyfollow another local team (Crows,SANFL.Amateurs) follow an interstate team in spit of the new team

you don't just unlike footy because your team doesn't exist.

I think you have your SANFL --> Crows thinking on. My SANFL club went to the AFL, I don't follow a SANFL team even after the PAMFC came back to the PAFC fold. Maybe I am an exception to the norm but you must remember that the SANFL side moved to the AFL.

 

[Hooligan87]

the SANFL and the AFL have seen the report regarding our brand and agree (concede!) that being Port Adelaide is actually the best option. Crows fans jumping on that hobby horse yet again is pointless. Western Bulldogs worked for Footscray Geoffa? Wow - they're such a powerhouse now as a result of rebranding

Also, we all know how South Adelaide's rebranding by simply calling them Panthers worked a treat.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

Feel sorry for Primus, bleeds for the club. Didn't deserve to be treated this way.

If they offered him to coach the team thill the end of the season, why didnt they just inform him of their decision after the club review? The way it was done was unprofessional and without forethought.

 

[BornPort]

We aren't the mistake mate, the poorly supported, broke, cellar-dwelling shambles that you support is.
In all seriousness, not sniping, but it's not like Port are heavily supported now.

No it was definitely a mistake. Not saying it could/should change now, but it was a mistake.

Lets say that they entered a crows lite into the comp instead of port, who would have followed it? What reason would they have had to support it?

You aren't risking losing much; what, 10,000 people who regularly go to games?

You're assuming that the people who go to the games are the only people that support Port Adelaide? There are a lot of alienated port supporters out there.

But lets say a re-branding happens. Even if most of the port supports jumped across and supported it while it was successful, how long would that last? They would just run into the same troubles down the track.

Better to stick with what we have and work on improving the club and growing the supporter base by being successful.

 

[PowerKat]

No it was definitely a mistake. Not saying it could/should change now, but it was a mistake.

Lets say that they entered a crows lite into the comp instead of port, who would have followed it? What reason would they have had to support it?


You're assuming that the people who go to the games are the only people that support Port Adelaide? There are a lot of alienated port supporters out there.

But lets say a re-branding happens. Even if most of the port supports jumped across and supported it while it was successful, how long would that last? They would just run into the same troubles down the track.

Better to stick with what we have and work on improving the club and growing the supporter base by being successful.

Crows fans don't want Port to be successful and would prefer if Port didn't exist. This bias taints every opinion they have about 'what Port should do'.

 

[BornPort]

Crows fans don't want Port to be successful and would prefer if Port didn't exist. This bias taints every opinion they have about 'what Port should do'.

That's not the experience I have with friends and work mates who support the crows (there is rivalry of course). For the most part there are only three places I hear these kinds of statements. One is Adelaide now comments section where you have the lowest common denominator commenting. Two is 5AA, no need to say anything. And three is Bigfooty.

So it's hard to take them seriously.

 

[tribey]

Haha, what?

We aren't the mistake mate, the poorly supported, broke, cellar-dwelling shambles that you support is.

Introducing a club swathed in the state colours, with the capital city name, with a derivative of the state mascot and 6 year headstart was going to make the job hard for any second team, be it Port Adelaide, the Cartel, Sturtwood or Glenelg/South.

The fact our strengths were diluted by having the club forcibly cleft in two by the SANFL and losing our renowned guernsey and moniker (Collingwood) just exacerbated things.

Then the Crows go from a laughing stock to winning two flags in the new licencee's first two years? You wouldn't read about it!