What is a fair trade for Kurt Tippett?

[scottwade]

And pick 22 is very very underwhelming. Not just because of what is "fair" but once 22 gets pushed out with FA compo picks it will be a very average pick.

So we genuinely have nothing to lose by cancelling talks with Syd if this is what's on the table. If this causes a small element of question and doubt in Tip and his management, good. With another week to go the Qld clubs may yet come back in the picture.
Therefore Kurt's nominated mimimum wage will be what Syd have offered first yr and that might bring any number of clubs back into the picture and potential drafters.

Tippett can nominate any terms and conditions he wishes (e.g a 4 yr contract with specified salary each year).
Any club that picks him up in the draft must fully meet those conditions.

As for pick 22 (+1/2) being average;
Tippett himself was selected at 32, Van Berlo @ 24, Vince @ 32, all after your 1st rd pick (19) and your current 2nd rounder (40).

With regards to putting Tippett in the draft, Sydney & Tippett's manager would have a good understanding of the interest in Tippett from other clubs and the salary cap situation of other clubs.
Given Sydney's offer it may well be that they have determined that even if Tippett goes into the draft they will still pick him up because other clubs simply will not select KT.
The only club other than the Qld clubs (who could not match KT's salary) that have publicly revealed an interest are GWS and they haven't even bothered speaking to Tippett's manager, which tends to belie their supposed interest.

 

[Theo X]

Tippett can nominate any terms and conditions he wishes (e.g a 4 yr contract with specified salary each year).
Any club that picks him up in the draft must fully meet those conditions.

As for pick 22 (+1/2) being average;
Tippett himself was selected at 32, Van Berlo @ 24, Vince @ 32, all after your 1st rd pick (19) and your current 2nd rounder (40).

With regards to putting Tippett in the draft, Sydney & Tippett's manager would have a good understanding of the interest in Tippett from other clubs and the salary cap situation of other clubs.
Given Sydney's offer it may well be that they have determined that even if Tippett goes into the draft they will still pick him up because other clubs simply will not select KT.
The only club other than the Qld clubs (who could not match KT's salary) that have publicly revealed an interest are GWS and they haven't even bothered speaking to Tippett's manager, which tends to belie their supposed interest.

Wasn't it Blucher that said Tippett wasn't interested in going GWS so they're a non issue, rather that GWS not bothering. IIRC, Blucher was Scully's manager too, so none of this s**t is surprising.

 

[scottwade]

Wasn't it Blucher that said Tippett wasn't interested in going GWS so they're a non issue, rather that GWS not bothering. IIRC, Blucher was Scully's manager too, so none of this s**t is surprising.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...his-swans-future/story-e6frf9jf-1226497283511

Tippett's Brisbane-based manager Peter Blucher yesterday questioned GWS's interest in Tippett.
"We've had no contact from the Giants ... and it doesn't matter because Kurt has chosen to be with the Sydney Swans," he said.

TBH I think GWS is more likely playing games because of this (below) rather than having any real interest in KT;

GWS's public play on Tippett appears a reaction to rival clubs questioning how the Giants have stockpiled draft picks when their recruiting concessions were designed to lure talent to the league's 18th club.

 

[The_Answer3]

SOS is on record of saying they've contacted the Crows in case negotiations break down with Sydney and have expressed their interest.

 

[RedDevils99]

I wonder if Sydney's "good guy" reputation is the same after the trade period.

They always get good deals when players leave but dont like to pay going rate when there buying.
Played tough with Hawthorn to get Everitt for almost nothing but then wouldnt give O'keefe up and wanted half the club for him.

 

[sbenno]

Seeing Melbourne paid pick 20 for Dawes, I don't see how anyone could think pick 22 plus a fringe KPF/ruckman (of which Adelaide already have another 2; Jenkins & McKernan) is a fair trade. I would rather have that spot in our list empty for us to select someone else, rather than have another tweener who isn't really a ruck and isn't really a forward.

Unless GWS get involved, I really can't see this ending well for the AFC

 

[bombermick]

I wonder if Sydney's "good guy" reputation is the same after the trade period.

They always get good deals when players leave but dont like to pay going rate when there buying.
Played tough with Hawthorn to get Everitt for almost nothing but then wouldnt give O'keefe up and wanted half the club for him.

Half the club? Didn't they ask for a first-rounder, which was more than fair?

Nevertheless, the Crows are better off cancelling negotiations 'til Sydney are prepared to offer something worthwhile.

 

[BarneyBent]

That's the funny thing. If I got to a shop and want to buy an expensive item I need to make sure I have the funds to purchase it. Sydney knew they had stuff all draft picks and were going to refuse to trade any player of top 22 potential so why the hell did they act on their whims? Adelaide has a more talented young list than Sydney, so why the hell would we want their stink average hacks?

I'm guessing that Blucher told Sydney that the "go home" agreement would apply to them. Remember that initially, Swans officials were saying that there was an agreement if some sort. So offer was made, conditional contract signed, and then Adelaide come back and say "Blucher is full of shit, pay up". Sydney respond by saying, "shit, we can't" because they were never expecting to, nor willing, to part with what Adelaide want. Tippett has already ruled himself out of the other suitors, so Adelaide are ****ed.

Basically what I'm saying is that I reckon Sydney were under the impression that Adelaide would help the move happen and they'd have enough to pay for it. That's proven not to be the case, but Tippett now knows what he's worth to Sydney, signed a contract, and won't go anywhere else. Blucher seems like a true c**t though.

 

[jusjoshin]

I'm wondering if Freo have the room in their salary cap, given that Sandi, Pav and McPharlin are on the vets list in 2013 (I think). I wouldn't be so certain that he'll make it to Sydney through the draft. If we could offer what we were reported to have offered to Cloke, we should still have some room after picking up Pearce.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Why would you flag your interest in a player who is worth around a pick 8 and a ok player when you aren't prepared to give that up? I think it is the Swans playing silly buggers. They never really had enough to satisfy the Crows unless they give up one of their quality young players. If Tippett is on the 800K a year type figure he is surely worth more than pick 22 and Jesse White.

 

[The King!]

Why would you flag your interest in a player who is worth around a pick 8 and a ok player when you aren't prepared to give that up? I think it is the Swans playing silly buggers. They never really had enough to satisfy the Crows unless they give up one of their quality young players. If Tippett is on the 800K a year type figure he is surely worth more than pick 22 and Jesse White.

Why not if you can get him cheap?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Why not if you can get him cheap?

Sure you might be able to. If you do get Tippett cheap lets hope some of your gun young players like Parker, Jetta and Rohan leave to another club for cheap.

 

[jusjoshin]

Why not if you can get him cheap?

why should he come cheap? Pay what he's worth or let him *try* to walk to Sydney in the draft.There are a couple of clubs which have the need for a KPP and the cap space (even without the concessions that the Swans get)

 

[The King!]

Sure you might be able to. If you do get Tippett cheap lets hope some of your gun young players like Parker, Jetta and Rohan leave to another club for cheap.

Might happen too, you take what you can get, and hope you manage your players well enough to want to stay.

 

[The King!]

why should he come cheap? Pay what he's worth or let him *try* to walk to Sydney in the draft.There are a couple of clubs which have the need for a KPP and the cap space (even without the concessions that the Swans get)

Nothing stopping freo talking to him or anyone elses club, theres no obligation to offer more than you have too

 

[Bucking Beads]

Might happen too, you take what you can get, and hope you manage your players well enough to want to stay.

I look forward to your club and your fans crying like little bitches when it happens as well.

 

[The King!]

I look forward to your club and your fans crying like little bitches when it happens as well.

If it happens im sure the fans would kick up a stink so what, does not mean there is an obligation to over pay now it wont help us in say 3 years and Hanneberry leaves for victoria

 

[Bucking Beads]

If it happens im sure the fans would kick up a stink so what, does not mean there is an obligation to over pay now it wont help us in say 3 years and Hanneberry leaves for victoria

Well your club is quite happy to overpay Kurt Tippett but isn't happy to give the Crows a fair deal. Pretty pathetic from where I am sitting. Piss poor from the Swans. It is like going to a car yard and wanting to buy a new Camry but only taking $15000 and just expecting to walk out of the dealership with that car.

 

[The King!]

So much for the Swans supposedly being fair and reasonable at the trade table. If a guy's worth 1 mill a year, trade something decent for him, not a spud and effectively a 2nd round pick.

So if the crows will take 22 and white the obligation is on Sydney to say hey hang on thats not fair take Gary Rohan? What crap. What we pay him does not equal what we give for him, especially when he is uncontracted

 

[The King!]

Well your club is quite happy to overpay Kurt Tippett but isn't happy to give the Crows a fair deal. Pretty pathetic from where I am sitting. Piss poor from the Swans. It is like going to a car yard and wanting to buy a new Camry but only taking $15000 and just expecting to walk out of the dealership with that car.

So we forced the Crows to do the trade? When your choice is put him in the draft or take a deal with us i would say the deal is fair.

But i hope you write to your club and protest if it ever looks like you are underpaying on a deal given it is such a moral outrage.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I wasn't aware Kurt was a free agent.

 

[.Shotties.]

Haha, I like how people think that the Swans being targeted and underpaid for players is something that's yet to occur.

 

[DST]

Well your club is quite happy to overpay Kurt Tippett but isn't happy to give the Crows a fair deal. Pretty pathetic from where I am sitting. Piss poor from the Swans. It is like going to a car yard and wanting to buy a new Camry but only taking $15000 and just expecting to walk out of the dealership with that car.

Now add to that the car yard has to sell by the end of the day or the car is towed and the value is lost, and see whether the $15,000 offered at 3.00pm is accpeted or not.

Unfotunately not all negotiations are played out on a level playing field.

DST

 

[TRAWP]

Hmm a fair deal for Kurt, I'd say pick 22 and Jesse White. Awesome deal for Adelaide!

 

[The King!]

Haha, I like how people think that the Swans being targeted and underpaid for players is something that's yet to occur.

Yeah it's never happenee before has it.

Also every other club insists on giving that little bit extra in all trades