Jamie Cripps

[saintsrfreak]

You'd have to ask Jamie that

Perhaps it is more that he doesn't want to go to Fremantle

But clearly we have offered a deal - you wouldn't try an arrange a deal without financial terms being agreed.

That is the same for all trades

I'm saying more in the lines of they offered him a deal on more money before the trade period started, as opposed to many West Coast supporters claiming he "came to them"

 

[saintsrfreak]

Do you realize you are squabbling over shit. Both kids are/were in the same predicament, being on the fringes at their respective clubs, wanting to return home after being drafted in the mid 20's and carrying injuries. They are separated by less than a year and have shown relatively similar output across AFL/WAFL/VFL. Their only difference is that one is a dime a dozen inside mid, the other a dime a dozen flanker. They are of equal worth (both undervalued atm), based on the similarity of their situations.

Saints fans, don't be fooled, the only reason why Cripps has had more opportunities at AFL level is related to the state of your list, rather than the qualities of the individual. If Cripps had been drafted by us, I truly doubt he'd have played a senior game yet. Likewise, if Stevens had been picked up by you guys, he'd have played more often (particularly with the injuries to Hayes).

Common sense will prevail and Cripps will traded for pick 44, perhaps pick 41 since we are very easy on the trade table.

I highly doubt Stevens would have played more often for us, seeing as Tom Ledger is finding it hard to crack a game and already looks a better player

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Why is he so deadset on going to West Coast? They must have a deal lined up for him

Maybe he doesn't want to play under Ross Lyon again, or he grew up being an Eagles fan and that's who we always wanted to play for

 

[MaxHunt]

Why is he so deadset on going to West Coast? They must have a deal lined up for him

Probably was worked out at the same time the Saints approached a contracted Eagles player.

 

[Icanwalk]

I highly doubt Stevens would have played more often for us, seeing as Tom Ledger is finding it hard to crack a game and already looks a better player

Haven't seen enough of Ledger to comment, but as juniors they were poles apart (in Stevens favor ) . Nonetheless, my point still stands.

 

[L_W_P]

Meh... Let him walk into the draft and spend 3 weeks shitting himself that he will be taken somewhere else. Would be a pretty big fluke if he lasted all the way to pick 41. Would almost look like draft tampering.....

I still get the feeling Cripps + 26 for Brown and pick 60 or 70 something (whatever the Eagles pick after 44 is) will be done last minute. Can't see any sense in us losing Cripps for nothing just as I can't see the Eagles taking the chance they will be stuck in the same position with Brown next year.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Saints fans, don't be fooled, the only reason why Cripps has had more opportunities at AFL level is related to the state of your list, rather than the qualities of the individual.

You mean the list that took us to a drawn AFL grand final 6 months prior to Cripps making his debut for us, after making the GF the year before as well?

And are you suggesting that in the past two years you couldn't have done with having someone come on as the "sub" and kick a couple of goals a game in just over a quarter of footy?

 

[Pat_Footy]

Meh... Let him walk into the draft and spend 3 weeks shitting himself that he will be taken somewhere else. Would be a pretty big fluke if he lasted all the way to pick 41. Would almost look like draft tampering.....

I still get the feeling Cripps + 26 for Brown and pick 60 or 70 something (whatever the Eagles pick after 44 is) will be done last minute. Can't see any sense in us losing Cripps for nothing just as I can't see the Eagles taking the chance they will be stuck in the same position with Brown next year.

He will get to West Coast at pick 44... St Kilda will get nothing as a result of their stubbornness. Learn to accept and love the idea.

 

[L_W_P]

He will get to West Coast at pick 44... St Kilda will get nothing as a result of their stubbornness. Learn to accept and love the idea.

Sorry. Didn't realise Craig Vozzo posted here.

Mind telling us who you rate higher than Cripps that you'll pass him over at pick 41?

 

[Icanwalk]

Meh... Let him walk into the draft and spend 3 weeks shitting himself that he will be taken somewhere else. Would be a pretty big fluke if he lasted all the way to pick 41. Would almost look like draft tampering.....

I still get the feeling Cripps + 26 for Brown and pick 60 or 70 something (whatever the Eagles pick after 44 is) will be done last minute. Can't see any sense in us losing Cripps for nothing just as I can't see the Eagles taking the chance they will be stuck in the same position with Brown next year.

Are you Saint fans ignorant or just childish?

For reasons explained many times, a trade for Brown is not going to happen, unless for massive overs (ie: the now redundant pick 13). But feel free to plug your ears.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Mind telling us who you rate higher than Cripps that you'll pass him over at pick 41?

The two picks in between are Richmond and COllingwood.

GIven he is a mid range player, has stated homesickness and wants to live in Perth - why would either club risk selecting him?

There is very limited risk in using 44 and not 41

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I just noticed the Saints have picks 46 & 47

Hopefully plough picks up on this - we all stand to benefit if Plough notices the potential for a flip-flop in picks.

FWIW to saints fans - how many live picks are you using ?

 

[West Coast 06]

Meh... Let him walk into the draft and spend 3 weeks shitting himself that he will be taken somewhere else. Would be a pretty big fluke if he lasted all the way to pick 41. Would almost look like draft tampering.....

Bit like Ball would never last until Collingwoods pick eh? You people never learn!

I still get the feeling Cripps + 26 for Brown and pick 60 or 70 something (whatever the Eagles pick after 44 is) will be done last minute. Can't see any sense in us losing Cripps for nothing just as I can't see the Eagles taking the chance they will be stuck in the same position with Brown next year.

Why would we not just wait until next year and get a similar deal? We get to keep our back up KPD and trade Brown next year to the highest bidder, I am sure Saints aren't the only team in Victoria that could use a competent backman? The only way you were going to get him this year was to pay overs for him. Instead, you paid overs for a backup ruck and a WAFL forward, your choice I guess.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Bit like Ball would never last until Collingwoods pick eh? You people never learn!

Why would we not just wait until next year and get a similar deal? We get to keep our back up KPD and trade Brown next year to the highest bidder, I am sure Saints aren't the only team in Victoria that could use a competent backman? The only way you were going to get him this year was to pay overs for him. Instead, you paid overs for a backup ruck and a WAFL forward, your choice I guess.

Ball only made it to Collingwood because he put a $1mil price on his head

 

[L_W_P]

Are you Saint fans ignorant or just childish?

For reasons explained many times, a trade for Brown is not going to happen, unless for massive overs (ie: the now redundant pick 13). But feel free to plug your ears.

And as it was reported on Tuesday night the Saints aren't interested in dealing for Tom Hickey anymore...

And Brian Lake was a required player....

And Kurt Tippett's home was the Gold Coast.....

Welcome to football. People in positions of power talk alot of shit, alot of the time.

In all seriousness, I have no doubt that the Eagles want to hold onto Brown at all costs but you just said that pick 13 would've got it done. This indicates that despite everything that's been said there IS a price for Brown.

Secondly, from a management standpoint it just seems bizarre to hold onto someone that doesn't want to be there. If he changes his mind and signs up again then great for you but if he's still unsigned in 12 months and is asking for a trade back to Victoria again then you will have spent 12 more months of time, effort and money on a guy that will get you sfa at the trade table.

In 12 months Brown's value goes from Cripps + 26 to who knows what? Even if he stars in the seniors it's not like you'd be getting 2 top 26 picks for him. History also says he might get injured again in which case his value goes waaaay down.

I can understand wanting to hold onto him, for all the same reasons the Saints want to get him, but it just seems like a massive risk to think he will turn around and re-sign but then again, none of us are on the insides of these clubs so everything we are talking about it just our opinions and views.

Internally Brown may be saying: "If you don't trade me to the Saints I'll stay here for life" Who really knows?

 

[Icanwalk]

You mean the list that took us to a drawn AFL grand final 6 months prior to Cripps making his debut for us, after making the GF the year before as well?

And are you suggesting that in the past two years you couldn't have done with having someone come on as the "sub" and kick a couple of goals a game in just over a quarter of footy?

You mean the list in such dire need of 20-24 year olds that they felt the need to trade a first rounder for a once delisted, WAFL player, and another for GC's 3rd ruck (I'm a fan of Hickey btw)? Your current list is a shadow of it's past one. But lets not reduce this argument to a shit fight over our lists.

Perhaps as a sub, Cripps would've been useful this year, but if it took LTI to LeCras and Nickoski to grant Masten games (albeit out of position), it'd be fair to assume that opportunities would have been scarce.

 

[L_W_P]

Bit like Ball would never last until Collingwoods pick eh? You people never learn!

In addition to the 1mil price tag on Ball, he also refused to turn up to the medical examinations that Melbourne, Brisbane and Essendon booked him in for because he decided to go on a holiday.

This meant they couldn't perform due diligence and didn't know if Ball's body was going to hold up after years of playing with OP.

Cripps is nowhere near that risky a pick.

Let's be clear - Im not saying that deal WILL happen, just what looks/feels like making the most sense from my point of view. I've also stated that I can understand the Eagles holding onto him.

 

[zero]

yeah, stevens is probably worth less in terms of on-field value than cripps, and TBH he does look alot more promising. but they arent that far apart

and in terms of trade value, they are exactly the same. like koby, cripps is gone into the draft unless a deal can be reached

in the end, most likely they will just do what the eagles did, take what they can get. theres no reason to make a huge principled stand, to act like petulant dicks and force him into the draft, to get nothing for him, just because they cant secure a late second rounder as opposed to the mid third rounder on offer

 

[handy point]

Would love it if he got traded to the Bloods.



I could see the transaction playing out something like this, homes.

 

[West Coast 06]

L_W_P Cripps has had serious injury concerns and has a serious medical condition, would your club take him without a medical? So he does a Ball and refuses medicals/ interviews with anyone. As he is now back in WA it is really only Freo who would be a threat to us getting him, and they haven't exactly been beating down your door for him so far have they? I am sure we are prepared to take that risk, and from the latest interview with Cripps' manager, so is he.

 

[Icanwalk]

And as it was reported on Tuesday night the Saints aren't interested in dealing for Tom Hickey anymore...

And Brian Lake was a required player....

And Kurt Tippett's home was the Gold Coast.....

Welcome to football. People in positions of power talk alot of shit, alot of the time.

In all seriousness, I have no doubt that the Eagles want to hold onto Brown at all costs but you just said that pick 13 would've got it done. This indicates that despite everything that's been said there IS a price for Brown.

Secondly, from a management standpoint it just seems bizarre to hold onto someone that doesn't want to be there. If he changes his mind and signs up again then great for you but if he's still unsigned in 12 months and is asking for a trade back to Victoria again then you will have spent 12 more months of time, effort and money on a guy that will get you sfa at the trade table.

In 12 months Brown's value goes from Cripps + 26 to who knows what? Even if he stars in the seniors it's not like you'd be getting 2 top 26 picks for him. History also says he might get injured again in which case his value goes waaaay down.

I can understand wanting to hold onto him, for all the same reasons the Saints want to get him, but it just seems like a massive risk to think he will turn around and re-sign but then again, none of us are on the insides of these clubs so everything we are talking about it just our opinions and views.

Internally Brown may be saying: "If you don't trade me to the Saints I'll stay here for life" Who really knows?

Good post, I guess us Eagles fans are guilty of the same crime. A result of our list manager being so steadfast in his views.

I just hope a suitable outcome is arranged for both parties, sooner rather than later.

 

[L_W_P]

L_W_P Cripps has had serious injury concerns and has a serious medical condition, would your club take him without a medical? So he does a Ball and refuses medicals/ interviews with anyone. As he is now back in WA it is really only Freo who would be a threat to us getting him, and they haven't exactly been beating down your door for him so far have they? I am sure we are prepared to take that risk, and from the latest interview with Cripps' manager, so is he.

If Cripps went into the draft he probably would slip to 41 as no-one would want to draft a player that doesn't want to be at their club. The problem is the precedent this would set for all younger guys that want to go home. Kurt Tippett has had alot of concussions. If he were to enter the draft would all the other teams let him slide to pick 22 for the Swans?

"Stuff asking for a trade, I'll just walk into the draft and tell all the other clubs to bugger off."

We may well end up taking 41 and I'll hope that the club find the best player they can with it but as it is right now I still think a deal can be done that will result in a win-win for all parties which includes the players asking to be traded.

I haven't taken a shot at the Eagles and said: "**** you, give us Brown and stop holding him hostage" It's just that in my biased opinion it makes sense for the Eagles to get the most they can for Brown now rather than take the risk of losing him for less next year.

Internally it might be a different story and if I could talk to Mitch and find out how he feels about staying in WA for another year then my posts on here would probably be totally different.

 

[Falchoon]

Saints to re-draft

Required player

 

[zero]

In 12 months Brown's value goes from Cripps + 26 to who knows what? Even if he stars in the seniors it's not like you'd be getting 2 top 26 picks for him. History also says he might get injured again in which case his value goes waaaay down.

the chances that he will go for much less than a second rounder and a young fringe player next year are slim. thats the stock standard price that all clubs can afford. and thats IF he still wants to go.

in any case, its a risk that the eagles are perfectly willing to take, and i think most of us fans agree wholeheartedly. keeping him for another year is alot better an option than merely cripps and a second round pick.

 

[zero]

Saints to re-draft

Required player

has never happened, and is pretty unlikely to ever happen, even for an actual required player, which cripps is hardly.