Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[Rocky_Star_Pro]

The first paragraph refers to my state of mind on the matter.

The second is in reference to what boncer34's mindset would be if he had the comprehension skills of a 5th grader.

You are clutching at straws that do not exist.

Making yourself more clearer wouldn't hurt mate, your post was easily interpreted in a different matter to what you intended to

 

[whiteoak]

Could be a while. Will depend entirely what Dank and co. have done, and what they say about it.

I reckon ASADA will have a sh*t of a time trying to prove anything, and Dank wouldn't be forthcoming even if he had administered dodgy substances, which he still mightn't have. He'd be stupid to do something that couldn't be explained away.

So I reckon it'll drag.

You understand that there has been phone taps, surveillance etc??

These guys aren't the Keystone Cops.

 

[mike14]

Could be a while. Will depend entirely what Dank and co. have done, and what they say about it.

I reckon ASADA will have a sh*t of a time trying to prove anything, and Dank wouldn't be forthcoming even if he had administered dodgy substances, which he still mightn't have. He'd be stupid to do something that couldn't be explained away.

So I reckon it'll drag.

Not allowing the Dons to field a team until everything is wrapped up would be a hell of a lot more distruptive than the case you mention.

So what the hell happens if (and I doubt it) Ess make the finals, knock a team out and then it gets found that they are/were guilty of PEDs? The sh*tstorm would be massive

 

[bacon buster]

Wowee. This is a horrible story for my club, the AFL and sport in general. The only thing worse has been the mass hysteria in the media, and on this board.

To my understanding, these are the only "facts" to hand at this stage:

- Essendon are being investigated for possible PED usage
- Whether or not the substances ingested/injected are legal or not, the players involved appear to have believed they were legal
- it is unclear how many staff within the club were aware of the content of these substances

Best case scenario for the club is that Dank went rogue, and in trying to build the players up, (or in trying to repair their bodies, and save his job after the injury crisis hit), deceived everyone at the club as to the content of the substances.

That scenario seems unlikely, and even if it eventuated, I have no idea what sanctions would be levelled at the players and club.

Realistically though, there have been no facts added to this debate since last Thursday.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So...... no you cant?

That's fine.

Well, I could, but what's the point. It's a rumour. Like I said, it's most likely crap.

If you want to believe a rumour doesn't or has never existed, that's fine by me.

 

[whiteoak]

Lance Uppercut....pour yourself a strong one. You're in for a hell of a ride.

 

[strobe00]

Spot on. There is nothing a "sports scientist" knows that a doctor involved with professional sport does not. However, there is much a team doctor knows that a "sports scientist" will never know, let alone understand.

There is a reason for the reported conflict between team doctors and "sports scientists" within the AFL/NRL ....

I'd disagree with that. If a sports scientist has done their own research, and not published the findings, then there'd be stuff they'd know that a doctor wouldn't. But a doctor could definitely learn it. And I suspect that'd be in their job description.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Best case scenario for the club is that Dank went rogue, and in trying to build the players up, (or in trying to repair their bodies, and save his job after the injury crisis hit), deceived everyone at the club as to the content of the substances.

That scenario seems unlikely, and even if it eventuated, I have no idea what sanctions would be levelled at the players and club.

Realistically though, there have been no facts added to this debate since last Thursday.

You still get done, IIRC.

ASADA or WADA or one of the ADA's claim ignorance is no defence.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

lovely day on the golf course today. Probably could have hit them a bit better but what do you do. Somewhat fittingly Dusty Martin was in the group in front of us.

So what's happening guys? I imagine all these alerts and tags I have are some friendly how do you do's for a quiet, boring Sunday?

Hope you've got your Kevlar on, LU!

 

[Woodie99]

Can someone please explain this wavier thing?

 

[Trent85]

If essendon re found guilty, how can they be allowed to play in a comp which starts in a month (less if you count pre-season). If they start the season and then get kicked out it's going to cause chaos. How long does it take to investigate whether there was something dodgy going on?

“It's not going to be as quick as everyone would like,” said McLachlan.
“The reality is that the investigators, which is ultimately ASADA in partnership with the AFL, have to get the right answers and that will take as long as it takes.
“It's more likely to be months rather than weeks.”

Essendon haven't been found guilty they are still being investigated it’s up to ASADA to conclude the investigation and start handing out punishments as they see fit then the AFL will hand out there’s.
I think if it’s not resolved before the season and say Essendon get premiership points they will be stripped kind of like what happened to Melbourne Storm. Essendon want be kicked out of the competition there is too much money at risk to the AFL for this to happen and will probably allow them to draft in replacements from VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc. IF Essendon players are banned.

 

[stugots]

Lance Uppercut....pour yourself a strong one. You're in for a hell of a ride.

Nah, today's events were nothing other than another feeding session to enable the media & BF trolls to survive for a few more days...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If essendon re found guilty, how can they be allowed to play in a comp which starts in a month (less if you count pre-season). If they start the season and then get kicked out it's going to cause chaos. How long does it take to investigate whether there was something dodgy going on?

I read the quote from the AFL and the use of the word "WITHOUT" strongly highlighted in regards to knowledge of what they were taking, as a premise for the AFL and Essendon to possibly argue that the players shouldn't be banned, even if they're found to have been injected with low levels of peptides. I think they're looking for a fall guy for the entire leageu, and that happens to be Essendon, and I also think that they're now on the front foot to limit even that damage.

I'd think the AFL will be doing all they can to make sure that someone takes a big fall, but that Essendon can still field a side.

 

[dymot]

Why is anybody bothering to continually engage in this pointless circular drivel that boncer is posting?

It's clearly designed to be a distraction.

Solution: Don't get distracted.

The irony of this!

Considering Hard_To_Beat loves to post many posts of circular drivel like about legalisation of drugs etc on the SRP board then I don't know why he isn't acting as an advocate for Essendon and the third parties that allegedly engaged in the behaviour. Further I deo not know why he is so concerned for Boncer? Seems he is a hypocrite.

 

[mellowyellow]

lovely day on the golf course today. Probably could have hit them a bit better but what do you do. Somewhat fittingly Dusty Martin was in the group in front of us.

So what's happening guys? I imagine all these alerts and tags I have are some friendly how do you do's for a quiet, boring Sunday?

Fittingly. How so?

 

[bacon buster]

You still get done, IIRC.

ASADA or WADA or one of the ADA's claim ignorance is no defence.

Could this be a test case though? Haven't heard of a doping case where the 'participants' legitimately did not know what was being administered.

Or a doping case where there was no ultimate victory (good medal, world title, etc.) as a result. Usually taking away that victory is the worst punishment of all.

 

[Seadog]

Been able to find where Gil said the Essendon case came from the report yet?
Or the release from the ACC or ASADA naming Essendon?

Willful ignorance

 

[Glacier]

There seems to be a lot of posters on here with multiple accounts...

 

[Deleted member 98541]

You still get done, IIRC.

ASADA or WADA or one of the ADA's claim ignorance is no defence.

bacon buster

Especially when deliberately setting out on a bulking session and knowingly chose to use substances those involved labelled "right on the edge".

Not to mention the whole IV greater than 50mls in 6 hour treatment, which is ON TOP of the dodgy QC Stomach jabs.

And the never before seen waiver/consent form.

Each little tidbit adds up to something incomprehensible in the black n white judgement of the ASADA code.

 

[whiteoak]

Nah, today's events were nothing other than another feeding session to enable the media & BF trolls to survive for a few more days...

If that helps you sleep at night.

Todays events were a clarification on endless speculation.

 

[strobe00]

So what the hell happens if (and I doubt it) Ess make the finals, knock a team out and then it gets found that they are/were guilty of PEDs? The sh*tstorm would be massive

That's seven months away. I'm pretty sure there'll be some results before then.

 

[Ghostwriter]

Is there a chance Dank could 'turn' against his employers and name them?, if this happens it could bring the whole house of cards down, lots of shady characters follow football, it's not beyond the realms a he could be offed in the next month or so, or fall off a boat whilst on a fishing trip or run into a tree on a ski holiday.

 

[mike14]

That's seven months away. I'm pretty sure there'll be some results before then.

I'd hope so too, but it seems it could farcical very, very quickly

 

[strobe00]

The irony of this!

Considering Hard_To_Beat loves to post many posts of circular drivel like about legalisation of drugs etc on the SRP board then I don't know why he isn't acting as an advocate for Essendon and the third parties that allegedly engaged in the behaviour. Further I deo not know why he is so concerned for Boncer? Seems he is a hypocrite.

HTB is all about the recreationals. Pretty sure he'd be anti PEDs.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Could this be a test case though? Haven't heard of a doping case where the 'participants' legitimately did not know what was being administered.

Or a doping case where there was no ultimate victory (good medal, world title, etc.) as a result. Usually taking away that victory is the worst punishment of all.

I don't think there's precedent anywhere. That's where it'll be interesting to see if the AFL go hard out on the Bombers or whether they are lenient due to the deception displayed by Dank or whoever was administering the PEDs.