Religion The God Question (continued in Part 2 - link in last post)

[Hard_to_Beat]

Perhaps Mario, you could spend a little less time playing with yourself first?

Can you spare an altar boy?

 

[KrakFiend]

I firmly believe all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

 

[placebo]

Who the **** knows? I am not an evangelical that can channel "It"or speak in tongues.

if Christianity is a way of life rather than a belief predicated on the existence of a God - it would not matter if there was a God or not. The idea of the suffering servant who died and his ideas were resurrected through his followers has some appeal. Does not cut it with me though

Your views always intrigue me, Contra. The kind of religious person I enjoy listening to.

Heck, I can kinda see you fitting in to a Bergman film during his period of religiously themed films.

 

[holy diver]

 

[bombermick]

I like Contra's posts on religion, too - they're always left-of-centre views. I think the Protestants have it right, but the more intellectual/liberal view is much more palatable - and interesting.

 

[evo]

The conditions were right for this to occur.

great answer. Very Zen.

This is the answer for all "whys".

 

[evo]

I firmly believe all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

easy for a dead guy to say.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

great answer. Very Zen.

This is the answer for all "whys".

If there is a creator entity, then the bullshit that christians and muslims spout from their supposed holy books sells this entity so short, that they must be viewed as the ultimate blasphemy.

 

[evo]

^ Of course.

they think too small.

 

[Bennett.]

Can you spare an altar boy?

Not Catholic, but I've got some pearler jokes about them!

 

[holy diver]

 

[Bennett.]

More stupid pictures? care to make an argument once in a while?

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

More stupid pictures? care to make an argument once in a while?

bc's stupid pictures >>>>>>>>>>> your stupid arguments

 

[fishardansin]

More stupid pictures? care to make an argument once in a while?

It does make a pretty good argument though. Why are only certain parts of the bible worth fighting for?

 

[hardon]

More stupid pictures? care to make an argument once in a while?

spartanwa, i'll go again!

please only a logical and coherent reply please; no special pleading. you shouldn't need to make excuses for god if he is such a brilliant and obvious explanation for everything.

you invoke a magical god as the basis for the initial happenings for everything. he has the power to create universes, life, the soul and pretty much everything else. apparently, without being taught, he already knows he has this power and how to use it. well, power must have a basis. you jump by pushing down on the earth and it is so massive it moves downward an imperceptible amount but you go up a lot. a bullet needs a more massive gun and shooter to move forwards with lethal velocity. the laws of the government are ultimately backed by the potential violence of the police force and army. without these bases to push against the bullet and the law have no power, and without the earth you don't jump. you can't jump in space no matter how hard you push your legs.

ignoring the problem of how god already knows how to use his power without being taught (which i think is a massive problem) i want to know from where god derives his power. what does his magic push-off from? otherwise he is just trying to jump in space! god can't push off from himself.

i submit that without knowledge of this basis, god is a totally unsatisfactory explanation for anything and must be abandoned as an unsatisfactory hypothesis for creation.

 

[holy diver]

More stupid pictures? care to make an argument once in a while?

I have attempted to engage in a discussion with you many times. Your tactics seem to be to ignore those invitations and either go ad-hom or criticise the picture without any case behind those few simple words.
In fact, it's safe bet you repeat this statement every time you have a tantrum over a picture I post, which incidentally, feel free to correct if you think is incorrect.

I look forward to round 3. Are you going? I feel a god like smiting of essendon coming on.

 

[holy diver]

 

[Bennett.]

It does make a pretty good argument though. Why are only certain parts of the bible worth fighting for?

It doesn't make a good argument though, it takes random bits, rips them out of context and hastily
cobbles them together to attempt to fit it into a rhetorical 'point'. It is quite typical of these type of posts.
I'm sure I could find 4 or 5 random statements that you have made on this site and paint you as a nazi sympathiser
or a rodeo clown etc. This is exactly the same thing.

 

[Bennett.]

I have attempted to engage in a discussion with you many times. Your tactics seem to be to ignore those invitations and either go ad-hom or criticise the picture without any case behind those few simple words.
In fact, it's safe bet you repeat this statement every time you have a tantrum over a picture I post, which incidentally, feel free to correct if you think is incorrect.

I look forward to round 3. Are you going? I feel a god like smiting of essendon coming on.

I'm sure that you have just ignored any replies, conveniently, but if it makes you feel like a superior debater....

 

[Bennett.]

spartanwa, i'll go again!

please only a logical and coherent reply please; no special pleading. you shouldn't need to make excuses for god if he is such a brilliant and obvious explanation for everything.

you invoke a magical god as the basis for the initial happenings for everything. he has the power to create universes, life, the soul and pretty much everything else. apparently, without being taught, he already knows he has this power and how to use it. well, power must have a basis. you jump by pushing down on the earth and it is so massive it moves downward an imperceptible amount but you go up a lot. a bullet needs a more massive gun and shooter to move forwards with lethal velocity. the laws of the government are ultimately backed by the potential violence of the police force and army. without these bases to push against the bullet and the law have no power, and without the earth you don't jump. you can't jump in space no matter how hard you push your legs.

ignoring the problem of how god already knows how to use his power without being taught (which i think is a massive problem) i want to know from where god derives his power. what does his magic push-off from? otherwise he is just trying to jump in space! god can't push off from himself.

i submit that without knowledge of this basis, god is a totally unsatisfactory explanation for anything and must be abandoned as an unsatisfactory hypothesis for creation.

I'm sure that God doesn't require little old me to 'make excuses' for him.
There is a relatively simple answer though, but I admit it is sometimes not satisfactory enough,
but God, by his very nature, exists outside of everything we know. HOW can I answer for him?
As soon as I understand everything about him, he is no longer God at all. The problem that you have
is in trying to package the existence of God into your own framework of understanding.
This is patently impossible.

 

[holy diver]

I'm sure that you have just ignored any replies, conveniently, but if it makes you feel like a superior debater....

I can see how disingenuous you are with such a reply.

One wonders if you are really religious at all or just playing devil's advocate.

Tithe must really buy that piece of mind.

 

[hardon]

I'm sure that God doesn't require little old me to 'make excuses' for him.
There is a relatively simple answer though, but I admit it is sometimes not satisfactory enough,
but God, by his very nature, exists outside of everything we know. HOW can I answer for him?
As soon as I understand everything about him, he is no longer God at all. The problem that you have
is in trying to package the existence of God into your own framework of understanding.
This is patently impossible.

i submit then that god is a failed hypothesis for creation. how can this be at all satisfying???

as far as naturalistic explanations go:

• we are gigantically further down the road about understanding evolution than 'intelligent design'.
• we are far further down the road about understanding and recreating the conditions for amino acid formation and abiogenesis than for adam and eve.
• we are light years ahead in understanding, to within a billionth of a second, the unfolding of the observable universe than we are about a god saying 'let there be light'.
• we are heaps ahead in understanding the operation of the brain, memories, consciousness, reasons for compassion and empathy than we are in knowing anything about the undefined entity you call a 'soul'.

need i go on?

with all this information available to anybody, how can one revell in faith (gullibility by another name)?

 

[Bennett.]

Tithe must really buy that piece of mind.

Oooh, I want to hear your explanation on THIS one!

Also, which piece of the mind are you referring to?

 

[Bennett.]

i submit then that god is a failed hypothesis for creation. how can this be at all satisfying???

as far as naturalistic explanations go:

• we are gigantically further down the road about understanding evolution than 'intelligent design'.
• we are far further down the road about understanding and recreating the conditions for amino acid formation and abiogenesis than for adam and eve.
• we are light years ahead in understanding, to within a billionth of a second, the unfolding of the observable universe than we are about a god saying 'let there be light'.
• we are heaps ahead in understanding the operation of the brain, memories, consciousness, reasons for compassion and empathy than we are in knowing anything about the undefined entity you call a 'soul'.

need i go on?


with all this information available to anybody, how can one revell in faith (gullibility by another name)?

No, I guess you've nailed it. Well done you.

 

[hardon]

No, I guess you've nailed it. Well done you.

do i win the internets?