Opinion Cameron Guthrie

[Geelong_Sicko]

Supercoach/DreamTeam is DESTROYING THE GAME! Give it the arse!!!!!!!!!

 

[FredLeDeux]

I haven't seen the replay. I was at the game and I'm telling you, he was playing on Hall.

Interesting new concept you have introduced to this board MC, discussing how well our young defenders have played by reference to how well they did against their opponents; and even nominating who the opponents were.

 

[sarah.13]

Just watched the replay again, Guthrie played deep defence on the resting mids which were Ablett, O'"Meara and Hall. None of which did any damage whilst playing forward.
Late in the 3rd Qtr spent time tagging Ablett and eventually kicked 2 goals on him in the last.

 

[Daitro]

He spent a lot of time on Rischitelli as well. But more to the point he wasnt involved all game in locking down one particular opponent which is the point that was being made originally as to why he wasn't involved in the rebounding/ attacking part of the game which people continue to ignore and bring up rubbish about DT/SC scores, which is the typical "straw man" argument this board resorts to.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The primary match-ups were: Guthrie/Hall, Corey/Rischitelli, Hunt/Brown.

 

[Partridge]

He played back pocket for the majority of the game and I didn't see him get beaten once. What more can he do?

Be more flashy. Or quicker. It wasn't that long ago everyone had Murdoch in their best team but didn't have Guthrie. Not sure how many would still feel that way.

 

[El Dubya]

Guthrie reads the game so well, he's young, but he's built up a decent size already. I see him as our future Enright. He already is rarely beaten one on one, watching him play on Gaz was great, because he halved the contest against the best player going around right now.
If he can build on this foundation and add some good rebounding work, like Enright does now, he'll be star. At the very least he'll be a reliable small defender who'll beat his man most of the time.

 

[sarah.13]

He spent a lot of time on Rischitelli as well. But more to the point he wasnt involved all game in locking down one particular opponent which is the point that was being made originally as to why he wasn't involved in the rebounding/ attacking part of the game which people continue to ignore and bring up rubbish about DT/SC scores, which is the typical "straw man" argument this board resorts to.

Did have 19 possessions against Pt Adelaide the week before.
Quote Ron Barassi " possessions...give me possessions and I'll shut up "

 

[Daitro]

The primary match-ups were: Guthrie/Hall, Corey/Rischitelli, Hunt/Brown.

It was way more fluid than that. He would've been lucky to have spent more than a half on Hall if that. He was OK on the weekend. Hope he gets more involved in the game in future.

 

[Partridge]

Supercoach/DreamTeam is DESTROYING THE GAME! Give it the arse!!!!!!!!!

I don't mind if there are certain statistics that coaches genuinely use in analysing the game, that previously we wouldn't have been aware of. That's fine. In that respect we are far more aware now that there are more than marks and goals.

But the fans who actually cheer against their own team because some opposition player is in their Supercoach/Dream Team side........no time for them at all.

 

[Partridge]

Did have 19 possessions against Pt Adelaide the week before.
Quote Ron Barassi " possessions...give me possessions and I'll shut up "

Melbourne won 1 game that year. Some mastercoach.

I'll quote what I strongly suspect Chris Scott would say....."give me a 20-year-old who has played 25 games, who has great composure, reads the game well, always does the team things, excellent disposal, will put his head over the ball, tackles well, and does a handy job at tagging the first time we ask, and I'll be very, very, very happy".

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Did have 19 possessions against Pt Adelaide the week before.
Quote Ron Barassi " possessions...give me possessions and I'll shut up "

Pretty sure he wouldn't have been directing that advice to Danny Hughes and Steven Smith.

 

[AM]

Being a defender stats don't mean much (not yours anyway)! Geez when will ppl here learn that stat collecting does not make you best on ground! It's what you do with it and its how you HELP YOUR TEAM MATES to get the win that counts!

Well sort of! The "what you do with it" is on the money.

Why, do you think, clubs spend so much in terms of manpower people power on the collection, processing and interpretation of performance data if it isn’t an important measure? The reason is that it is very important. Not only in relation to match performance but in sports science too.

The reality is most of us punters have no idea of the amount of sporting data that is used not only post match but during matches as well. Nor would we have much of an idea of how to correctly interpret and apply it if we did.

Of course, sporting data isn’t the be all and end all. It’s a part of the footy mosaic but never a more important one.

Glib one liners regularly attract attention on forums and in the popular press but don’t often add to the sum of footy knowledge. As a tutor once said to me at my cost - the plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Although anything from a singularity onwards becomes data if acknowledged and logged

 

[bulletproof]

8 disposals, stats aren't everything but I stand by my original assessment of his game. Back pocket is the easiest place on the ground to get easy kicks and he doesn't seem to get it often enough. Winning the ball is important, don't be a football hipster and claim it doesn't.

After 26 games he has not had a game where he has laid down a marker and announced himself as a player. Thurlow did it in his first. Murdoch has had some shockers but showed his talent against St Kilda.

The last quarter was probably his best quarter for the club so hopefully we are on the verge of seeing the potential being unlocked.

Guthrie seems to have more fans than Taylor Hunt which is just weird.

 

[SJ]

8 disposals, stats aren't everything but I stand by my original assessment of his game. Back pocket is the easiest place on the ground to get easy kicks and he doesn't seem to get it often enough. Winning the ball is important, don't be a football hipster and claim it doesn't.

After 26 games he has not had a game where he has laid down a marker and announced himself as a player. Thurlow did it in his first. Murdoch has had some shockers but showed his talent against St Kilda.

The last quarter was probably his best quarter for the club so hopefully we are on the verge of seeing the potential being unlocked.

Guthrie seems to have more fans than Taylor Hunt which is just weird.

Strongly disagree.

 

[hbk_aus]

8 disposals, stats aren't everything but I stand by my original assessment of his game. Back pocket is the easiest place on the ground to get easy kicks and he doesn't seem to get it often enough. Winning the ball is important, don't be a football hipster and claim it doesn't.

After 26 games he has not had a game where he has laid down a marker and announced himself as a player. Thurlow did it in his first. Murdoch has had some shockers but showed his talent against St Kilda.

The last quarter was probably his best quarter for the club so hopefully we are on the verge of seeing the potential being unlocked.

Guthrie seems to have more fans than Taylor Hunt which is just weird.

I kept waiting for a sentence that I agreed with there but unfortunately no cigar.

 

[NewCatsFan85]

After 26 games he has not had a game where he has laid down a marker and announced himself as a player. Thurlow did it in his first. Murdoch has had some shockers but showed his talent against St Kilda.

I find it odd how so many seem to prefer one stand out game amongst "shockers" as a good thing! I would prefer to see the young kids slugging it out working hard week in week out, even if they are average or just above average games! Rather than risking another youngster who could potentially blow their opponent out of the water, or alternately, which by your comment is of higher likelihood, have a shocker!

 

[AM]

Although anything from a singularity onwards becomes data if acknowledged and logged

Hmmm! Not sure the linguists working on the MacQuarie Concise Dictionary would accept that as a definition.

 

[bulletproof]

I find it odd how so many seem to prefer one stand out game amongst "shockers" as a good thing! I would prefer to see the young kids slugging it out working hard week in week out, even if they are average or just above average games! Rather than risking another youngster who could potentially blow their opponent out of the water, or alternately, which by your comment is of higher likelihood, have a shocker!

I'd prefer Guthrie in the team to Murdoch. Might point is, I have seen Murdoch play a game that shows me what sort of player he will be in 50 games.

I don't think I have seen Guthrie play a game that shows me what he can develop into.

If you go back through all our top players they have shown that very early on. Bartel, Kelly, Ablett. They had some bad ones but they showed what sort of players they would be early on.

If he is going to be a scrapper of a back pocket, that is fine. We actually have a use for that. It was others that set the Corey Enright benchmark.

Taylor Hunt eats him alive, Thurlow will by next year. Murdoch is a mystery.

 

[footscore]

here's his involvements on the weekend.



Really coming along well imo.
I have highlighted some of his defensive pressure, although some didn't turn into initial turnovers, has very good concentration as many 26 gamers will lose concentration and give up in a chase or choose to wait for the easy possessions but he seems to be extremely team-orientated.
He's got underrated speed, his opponents will have 2-3 metre head starts but he will make up ground quite easily.
Like Motlop, tends to glide without seemingly exerting too much energy.

Imagine his game after 50-75 matches

 

[bulletproof]

Thanks footscore always interesting footage. It is going to be a tight call between him and Josh Hunt for September. Personally I would prefer it is Guthrie because he is the younger man. But i think he is leaving the jaw ajar for Hunt with just ok performances. He needs to slam it shut like Motlop did to Byrnes last year.

 

[vinum coupe]

lol. What was the go with the ump Bobby. ha ha.

Remember I said a long, long time ago about how damaging Guthrie could be around goal.
I said something like 'you wait until he gets it up forward, he wont hesitate'. That first goal was going nowhere else other than at the goals the second he got his hands on it.


I fear BP is going to become the Meto of all Guthrie discussion.

 

[bulletproof]

lol. What was the go with the ump Bobby. ha ha.

Remember I said a long, long time ago about how damaging Guthrie could be around goal.
I said something like 'you wait until he gets it up forward, he wont hesitate'. That first goal was going nowhere else other than at the goals the second he got his hands on it.


I fear BP is going to become the Meto of all Guthrie discussion.

Ha, I already am.

I heard a figure on what Varcoe is being paid that would give poor Meto a heart attack.

 

[vinum coupe]

And the one thing that's really starting to impress me about Guthrie is his closing speed.
The kid aint slow!