Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher (part 1)

[VelvetSledge]

I don't care what happened this year, we win everything

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/derp-added-to-oxford-english-dictionary-will-live-forever-2013-8

LOL

 

[Rack Watts]

I would say Hurley's issues reside more in his marking...
but thats another conversation, in different thread

Ever noticed how he's always having it kicked 1.5 metres above his head?

 

[eth-dog]

Ever noticed how he's always having it kicked 1.5 metres above his head?

Ever noticed how he runs under the ball?

 

[cAsEy_18]

Ever noticed how he's always having it kicked 1.5 metres above his head?

The old "Chicken or the egg" scenario - are we kicking it over his head, or is he running under the ball? I think any logical person would have foot in both camps and say it's a bit of both, but I lean towards Hurley running under the ball as the answer when I saw him run under a pass from Goddard early in the year. His leads are good, but he more or less just keeps sprinting rather than eventually jumping at the ball.

He might be a type where we have to float the ball out in front of him and let him run onto it, rather than spear balls at him.

 

[George Washington]

The old "Chicken or the egg" scenario - are we kicking it over his head, or is he running under the ball? I think any logical person would have foot in both camps and say it's a bit of both, but I lean towards Hurley running under the ball as the answer when I saw him run under a pass from Goddard early in the year. His leads are good, but he more or less just keeps sprinting rather than eventually jumping at the ball.

He might be a type where we have to float the ball out in front of him and let him run onto it, rather than spear balls at him.

Now you say this, I can't think of a time when Hurley has really jumped and extended the hands.

I.e a pass that goes 2m over Hurley's head I think Joe, Gumby or Ryder would snaffle with a bit of a leap and outstretched dukes.

 

[Zach Package]

Watch the hawthorn game and the Carlton game, numerous examples of it.

I've said it before, I reckon he just leads too hard too early, so if it is a bad kick, which it normally is he literally can't stop himself from running underneath it

 

[Rack Watts]

He reads the ball so well that he gets to it before the ball does

 

[Andronicus]

He reads the ball so well that he gets to it before the ball does

Sometimes he get there even before it is kicked.

 

[Rack Watts]

Sometimes he get there even before it is kicked.

I have seen Hurley at the MCG at 7:40pm fully in game gear, waiting inside the forward 50, on a Wednesday night.

 

[rines]

44 on a list

Got to leave room for the Watsons, Fletchers, Lloyd's and Davey's....

 

[Mercuri Rising]

Got to leave room for the Watsons, Fletchers, Lloyd's and Davey's....

Everyone's forgetting the little Ryders!

 

[The Bomb]

Interesting stats when Daniher and Crameri played together at VFL and AFL

Daniher - Crameri 2 games together at VFL level, Daniher still had the best defender
Kicks: 22 - 12
H/Balls: 7 - 17
Poss: 29 - 29
Marks: 16 - 12
Con Marks: 8 - 3
Goals: 2 - 1
Behinds: 3 - 2

Daniher - Crameri 4 games together at AFL level, Daniher still had the best defender
Kicks: 34 - 34
H/Balls: 24 - 29
Poss: 58 - 63
Marks: 25 - 19
Con Marks: 6 - 3
Goals: 4 - 6
Behinds: 9 - 3

I don't know what to make of this but bodes very well for Daniher. Having more contested marks, Marks, Kicks and shots despite having a better defender on him.

 

[Jade]

I don't think anyone seriously doubts that Daniher is the superior talent to Crameri.

 

[Essendonia]

I don't think anyone seriously doubts that Daniher is the superior talent to Crameri.

True, but I suppose it is a bit surprising that he has statistically matched/exceeded Crameri despite age/experience/match-up.

 

[Jade]

True, but I suppose it is a bit surprising that he has statistically matched/exceeded Crameri despite age/experience/match-up.

One of the major frustrations for me was that Gumby matched or exceeded Crameri - but they just wouldn't play him OR played him in the wet.

And I do not consider Gumbleton as the same sort of talent of Daniher.

Two years from now a comparison between Daniher and Crameri will be an obscene, laughable comparison.

 

[hurlygurdy]

One of the major frustrations for me was that Gumby matched or exceeded Crameri - but they just wouldn't play him OR played him in the wet.

And I do not consider Gumbleton as the same sort of talent of Daniher.

Two years from now a comparison between Daniher and Crameri will be an obscene, laughable comparison.

If the dogs play him in that high HFF position like they should, then a comparison should be relatively pointless. I can see Crameri averaging 10/12 marks a game, getting heaps of forward entries and kicking a couple of goals himself each week running back with the flight. Would love to have him doing that for us
On the plus side, i bet he continues to only do it for the first half of the season

 

[Essendonia]

One of the major frustrations for me was that Gumby matched or exceeded Crameri - but they just wouldn't play him OR played him in the wet.

And I do not consider Gumbleton as the same sort of talent of Daniher.

Two years from now a comparison between Daniher and Crameri will be an obscene, laughable comparison.

Agree on Gumbleton. I would have preferred the hard decision of not selecting Fletcher, and moving Hurley down back. (Assuming that Carlisle and Hooker were untouchable this year.) Then we could have had Gumby, Cram and JD plus ruckman and smalls.

Would've liked to have seen Gumby for a run of 4-5 matches. In hindsight, Crameri was apparently gone at the start of the year, so we could've seen a season of Gumby. Dammit.

 

[rines]

One of the major frustrations for me was that Gumby matched or exceeded Crameri - but they just wouldn't play him OR played him in the wet.

And I do not consider Gumbleton as the same sort of talent of Daniher.

Two years from now a comparison between Daniher and Crameri will be an obscene, laughable comparison.

Deserves to be quoted.

 

[yaco55]

I am keen for JD to be a second ruck with 30% game-time in the ruck. He can find the ball with ease around the ground, and is a good decision-maker. I was more impressed with his around the ground work.

 

[Coldacre]

I've said it before, I reckon he just leads too hard too early, so if it is a bad kick, which it normally is he literally can't stop himself from running underneath it

isn't that the idea though? it never did Jason Dunstall any harm. the idea is to put some yards on your opponent. its s*** kicking, pure and simple.

 

[Dan Cooper]

One of the major frustrations for me was that Gumby matched or exceeded Crameri - but they just wouldn't play him OR played him in the wet.

And I do not consider Gumbleton as the same sort of talent of Daniher.

Two years from now a comparison between Daniher and Crameri will be an obscene, laughable comparison.

Hoping this is breakout year for Daniher. I agree he is potentially (that dangerous word in football) a far greater talent than both Gumbleton & Crameri.

 

[Jade]

Hoping this is breakout year for Daniher. I agree he is potentially (that dangerous word in football) a far greater talent than both Gumbleton & Crameri.

Was a couple of things during the year that really got the ears up; can't remember the game but he broke into a fair sprint and put a serious gap on his opponent, and then grabbed the ball with one hand (a ball he had no right to mark).

That and some of the Herpiest contested marks you'll see.....

****ing magic on our hands here.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Was a couple of things during the year that really got the ears up; can't remember the game but he broke into a fair sprint and put a serious gap on his opponent, and then grabbed the ball with one hand (a ball he had no right to mark).

That and some of the Herpiest contested marks you'll see.....

****ing magic on our hands here.

Lets hope he has better knees than Uncle Neil.

 

[brisbane13]

I am keen for JD to be a second ruck with 30% game-time in the ruck. He can find the ball with ease around the ground, and is a good decision-maker. I was more impressed with his around the ground work.

ive noticed that as well has very good vision and spacial awareness also.

 

[Beerfish]

Spacial awareness?