No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[theboxmike]

Because the ACC weren't investigating the the sports scientists at the other clubs.

boom

Ill see myself out.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

The AFL won't investigate. No surprises. But it's not the AFL that should investigate. It's ASADA. There is a clear case for further investigation.

I think the odd email to ASADA asking them to address this couldn't hurt, personally...

 

[Doss]

The AFL won't investigate. No surprises. But it's not the AFL that should investigate. It's ASADA. There is a clear case for further investigation.

I think the odd email to ASADA asking them to address this couldn't hurt, personally...

It shouldn't be the AFL that investigates, either.

They are hopelessly compromised in this situation and any possibility that other clubs could be implicated would be absolutely terrifying to them, as I have said. If one team is 'caught', then in terms of PR it's easy to represent it as a 'rogue' style situation. If multiple teams become implicated, then it becomes impossible to sell that message and they would have a headache on their hands of infinitely larger proportions.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Exactly.

It's time for ASADA to step up and do their job, with no fear or favour

 

[Doss]

The bit that stuns me is, does anyone seriously believe that the problem of PEDs in AFL is fixed if you nail one club to the wall and leave everyone else be? All it teaches any wrongdoers that avoid sanction is, if you're crafty enough and don't get caught in the act, then you'll get away with it.

The 'head on a stick' approach is great for the denizens to lap up and for the AFL to win the public relations war by convincing everyone that the problem has been quashed, but the reality is, unless you tackle the problem at the grassroots and much more extensively, it will rear its head again sooner or later.

 

[bomberman500]

Exactly.

It's time for ASADA to step up and do their job, with no fear or favour

As much as I'd like for this to happen, we all know there is a slim to no chance. The whole Australian sporting community only wanted a scapegoat, Essendon for the AFL and Cronulla for the NRL. unless there is overwhelming evidence that the ACC, ASADA, AFL or NRL can't ignore, we won't be seeing any other clubs facing charges

 

[Lance Uppercut]

As much as I'd like for this to happen, we all know there is a slim to no chance. The whole Australian sporting community only wanted a scapegoat, Essendon for the AFL and Cronulla for the NRL. unless there is overwhelming evidence that the ACC, ASADA, AFL or NRL can't ignore, we won't be seeing any other clubs facing charges

be that as it may, ASADA are supposed to be above that... that's the point. Let's see...

 

[Stopher]

be that as it may, ASADA are supposed to be above that... that's the point. Let's see...

Along similar lines, what about all the journos (if you can call them that) who were trying to claim the glory for releasing various bombshells (as they like to call them) throughout the Essendon situation? Surely it would be in their interests to be getting to the bottom of this kind of thing, especially after the moralising by a number of them over EFC?

Unless of course, they are just acting like the AFL patsies that they revealed themselves to be these last 6 months. Not that they'll ever admit to getting inside information etc etc. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, etc, and so on, so forth, etc etc.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

FWIW...

asada@asada.gov.au

To whom it may concern,

Whilst it has no doubt not escaped your attention, I write to you regarding the allegations of medium to high supplement use by 12 clubs that lacked a single point of accountability, reported 2 days ago here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-15/afl-no-needles-policy . I am concerned by supplement use in the AFL, and I am also concerned it could be seen as a cover for the potential use of illegal substances.

As the regulatory body charged with investigating possible incidents of doping, I request that you initiate a full investigation of the supplement use of all 12 clubs. I appreciate that your resources must be stretched by the events of the past 9 months and that this may take time, but I feel it is critical for the confidence of the Australian sporting public that these allegations are properly looked in to.

I support a clean and drug free sporting landscape, and I would appreciate any confirmation of whether ASADA will examine this issue.

Best regards,

I'm sure they would welcome the input of any concerned citizens, and we know on BigFooty we are the most concerned of all citizens

 

[Stopher]

FWIW...

asada@asada.gov.au



I'm sure they would welcome the input of any concerned citizens, and we know on BigFooty we are the most concerned of all citizens

Have you sent it yet? As if you haven't, may I suggest a reference to 'the blackest day in Australian sport'? Everyone loves a bit of drama

 

[Pweter]

The bit that stuns me is, does anyone seriously believe that the problem of PEDs in AFL is fixed if you nail one club to the wall and leave everyone else be? All it teaches any wrongdoers that avoid sanction is, if you're crafty enough and don't get caught in the act, then you'll get away with it.

The 'head on a stick' approach is great for the denizens to lap up and for the AFL to win the public relations war by convincing everyone that the problem has been quashed, but the reality is, unless you tackle the problem at the grassroots and much more extensively, it will rear its head again sooner or later.

I mentioned yesterday that I reckon in the meeting of the club presidents an amnesty was provided whereby the AFL would do everything in its power to protect all other clubs from an EFC type investigation in return for their support.

Being a government body ASADA obviously should not buckle to a thing the AFL says so I am hoping this story has made them prick their ears up and possibly make plans for further investigations. I doubted the AFL would do anything after the story broke, but for them to release a statement saying they are "confident" the 12 clubs have done no wrong and therefore not investigate speaks volumes for.... wait for it.... a MOTHER ****ING BOYS CLUB.

The AFL should WANT to get to the bottom of it, clean things up once and for all. The AFL have been caught on the hop here and their PR department will be in overdrive to ensure this gets swept under the carpet when in all reality the AFL should be investigating all allegations.

My love for EFC has never been stronger, but in the same breath nor has my disgust at the AFL. I might follow Lance's lead and send an email to ASADA though might be a touch more blunt about things.

 

[Squeaky]

Along similar lines, what about all the journos (if you can call them that) who were trying to claim the glory for releasing various bombshells (as they like to call them) throughout the Essendon situation? Surely it would be in their interests to be getting to the bottom of this kind of thing, especially after the moralising by a number of them over EFC?

Unless of course, they are just acting like the AFL patsies that they revealed themselves to be these last 6 months. Not that they'll ever admit to getting inside information etc etc. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, etc, and so on, so forth, etc etc.

I like this idea - and linking it back to Little & 'the response' from EFC, I would have liked the club to come out & say something like:
"in light of the most recent reports of 11 other clubs undertaking a supplements program (& the issues that came from this survey) EFC look forward to reading Caro's (Smith's, Barrett's, X's) next 50 articles (per club) calling for resignations, sackings, apologies and sanctions. And we would expect no less..."

 

[Pweter]

Will likely do nothing, but here's my 2 bobs worth. I have no doubt it'll appear on the HTB to be mocked by the foamers one and all but they can GAGF. Deep down every foamer will be hoping like hell their club is not one of the 12 and that any investigations never see the light of day.

To whom it may concern,

After “the blackest day in sport” announcement by the Federal Government in February, followed by the investigation into Essendon Football Club, Cronulla Rugby League club and others, I was of the impression that Australian government and ASADA was doing its utmost to seek out and punish those who have found to have breached the WADA code and clean up Australian sport from the use of illegal supplements going forwards.

It was therefore something of a surprise when, on 15th October 2013, it was reported that 12 AFL clubs have medium to high supplement use, club documentation of supplement use was inadequate, and that clubs lacked a single point of accountability. Further reports have advised some clubs taking up to 40 supplements. To me, the reports sound eerily similar to what the Essendon Football Club is being investigated (and have already been charged by the AFL) over.

Imagine my further surprise when the AFL said they were “confident” that the other clubs had not done anything wrong. Essendon were “confident” they had done no wrong but this confidence appeared to be misplaced.

I am very concerned for firstly Australian Rules football going forwards if this is the attitude the league’s governing body has taken. They are putting in reactive measures now which does nothing to ensure past results are based on a fair playing field given some clubs may have taken illegal substances to gain an advantage.

My concern goes further than just AFL though, and to the heart of Australian sport in general, from grass roots through to the professional leagues. The professional leagues should be setting the precedent by which all other levels of sport can follow. By the AFL seemingly sweeping these latest allegations under the carpet I am concerned the wrong message is being sent.

I am interested to know whether ASADA intends on seeking clarification from the AFL to understand why it is so confident that nothing untoward has happened at the other 11 AFL clubs. I would like to see a drug free sport going forwards where results are decided on natural ability and talent, but my confidence that past results have been obtained in this manner are low based on the reasoning I have provided. Surely it is in the best interests of Australian sport to get to the bottom of it and deter any clubs of any sporting code from going down this path again.

Regards,

 

[VelvetSledge]

To whom it may concern,

I'm pretty sure Hawthorn are on the juice.

Regards,

 

[Lance Uppercut]

^that one goes to this email

stampoutdoping@asada.gov.au

 

[Dan Cooper]

I mentioned yesterday that I reckon in the meeting of the club presidents an amnesty was provided whereby the AFL would do everything in its power to protect all other clubs from an EFC type investigation in return for their support.

Didn't Paul Little attend that meeting?

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Didn't Paul Little attend that meeting?

There was a meeting with the AFL and the 17 club presidents, then they called Paul Little in IIRC.

 

[Dan Cooper]

The penalties Essendon received were governance related. Here we have examples of governance issues at 12 other clubs, and...

 

[rumply]

FWIW...

asada@asada.gov.au



I'm sure they would welcome the input of any concerned citizens, and we know on BigFooty we are the most concerned of all citizens

Needs it's own facebook page imho

 

[HirdyLannister]

The penalties Essendon received were governance related. Here we have examples of governance issues at 12 other clubs, and...

Exactly, I want 11 other clubs fined 2 million, lose the first two rounds if draft picks for two years and ineligible for final series in 2014.

GWS might make finals in their third year if they aren't one of the eleven clubs, clearly they are better than GC Suns because they did make finals in their third year!

 

[Dan Cooper]

Exactly, I want 11 other clubs fined 2 million, lose the first two rounds if draft picks for two years and ineligible for final series in 2014.

GWS might make finals in their third year if they aren't one of the eleven clubs, clearly they are better than GC Suns because they did make finals in their third year!

These issues warrant investigation, and if governance breaches have occurred, appropriate penalties need to be applied.

 

[BomberFan355]

I hope all the trolls on the HTB that went with the 'won't somebody think of the players' routine will be emailing ASADA to investigate incase one of the own teams players is involved.

 

[kfc1]

Can't wait for the first Baker & McKenzie article. These guys are the best investigative journos ever

 

[Stopher]

Can't wait for the first Baker & McKenzie article. These guys are the best investigative journos ever

Yep. Also, surely between the 'best in the business' (Alf Brown x 2 y'know) and 'football's first lady' (vomit), they could do some sort of follow up on a report that could potentially (relax, foamers!) highlight some issues, which may not be unlike those that saw one club slapped with the biggest penalties in the history of the game. In short, let's effect some good governance to ensure good governance. What do you say, Damo? Caro?......Hello??

 

[Stopher]