2014 Fantasy Watchlist

[Dan12]

Sweet my 25-word suggestion was implemented and rookie prices are up! Looks like there'll have to be some skill brought back into it with the mid-pricers.

Some mid pricers/fallen premiums I'll be looking at:

Defence:

Jack Grimes is likely to be in my team next year. Grimes had a down year and scored about 10 in one game after an early injury. Averaged 76, but I expect that to return to the 90s in 2014.

Matt Suckling is obviously underpriced after his ACL.

Grant Birchall averaged 80 which was slightly down for him. Not really mid price but not a premium either. Anyway, he had a slightly down year and had an injury-affected score against the Eagles. He'll probably be back in the high 80s next year and is a very consistent player despite last year's mishaps. Set and forget, safe selection.

Paul Seedsman could take some of Heath Shaw's points and really step up to become a premium defender next year if given DPP. Watch him in pre-season.

David Swallow could have a breakout year. He's had his injury worries but if fit and in the midfield he could average in the 90s, possibly as a defender in DT. Watch him in pre-season.

Midfield:

Shane Savage averaged 67 last season, but would have averaged 86 without vests. He won't be vested at St. Kilda and imo won't get tags either with Steven and Montagna there. He'll average around that 86 mark next year imo.

Marc Murphy is a gun midfielder. Averaged 84 this year with a dodgy knee apparently, which is awful by his standards. He's got a bad DT game and will cop a tag most weeks, but he's just too good to get an 84 average again. Should be good for a 10-20 point increase in average.

Brandon Ellis averaged close to 100 without his early season vests and is priced at 80. If he continues with the form he had at the end of last season then he's a steal.

Rucks: McEvoy had a crap year and is likely to bounce back. He's really durable and will relish being the undisputed no. 1 ruck, without Tom Hickey taking his points.

Nic Natanui had a bad year with a 77 average and injury troubles. If he has a good pre-season expect him to increase his average by 10-15 points.

Forwards: If Mitch Clark is priced at 230k or something like that, you'd have to consider him if he has a good pre-season.

If Dale Thomas is fit he'll probably be in my team. Proven scorer and very good player, Thomas should average in the 90s.

And all aboard the Buddy train!!

These are just a few players I'll be looking at a bit closer than others. There are guys like Sandilands, Longer and Docherty who could turn out well, but personally I don't think I'll go near them.

 

[Hawkinspired]

Makes the returning injured more appealing, hopefully lots of different teams in 2014 due to prices of rookies

I'd be curious to see how previous untried draftees are affected by the new pricing? Woodward for example would have been close to 100k last season, I wonder if these types of players have large increases.

 

[toxic]

I'd be curious to see how previous untried draftees are affected by the new pricing? Woodward for example would have been close to 100k last season, I wonder if these types of players have large increases.

With the salary cap increase looks like the bottom end players have increased more...

 

[Crawb]

From today's snippet: O'Rourke a bargain at 135K. Patton too at 200K, I assume GWS will want to put plenty of games into Patton to make up for the last two years. No DEF status for Greene.

It will be interesting to see where Hogan (and therefore Jack Martin) is priced at tomorrow. Mitch Clark is potentially going to be very cheap too hopefully.

 

[Small Moves]

From today's snippet: O'Rourke a bargain at 135K. Patton too at 200K, I assume GWS will want to put plenty of games into Patton to make up for the last two years. No DEF status for Greene.

It will be interesting to see where Hogan (and therefore Jack Martin) is priced at tomorrow. Mitch Clark is potentially going to be very cheap too hopefully.

Depends where Patton plays. I really dislike key position players for DT unless it's someone like Travis Cloke, Nick Riewoldt or another top 5 forward. O'Rourke is a mid (wouldn't start him, would only bench) so I think there'll be better options ahead of him.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Depends where Patton plays. I really dislike key position players for DT unless it's someone like Travis Cloke, Nick Riewoldt or another top 5 forward. O'Rourke is a mid (wouldn't start him, would only bench) so I think there'll be better options ahead of him.

At 135 - close to the cheapest in the game though

 

[Small Moves]

At 135 - close to the cheapest in the game though

Yeah. Well that's just me, I tend not to go for the cheap, unproven mids as the last couple of years I've just been wrecked by injuries to my midfielders. O'Rourke would be a steal if he can come out and play a few decent games though.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

**** these rookie price changes, seriously.

 

[Hawkinspired]

This really is a massive paradigm shift. I personally don't get their logic for the change.

 

[Dan12]

This really is a massive paradigm shift. I personally don't get their logic for the change.

Everyone currently goes GnR strategy=no skill
Everyone having to do one of three options-
a) Go the GnR strategy with less reliable rookie options
b) Still pick the draftees even with their higher prices and have less 'guns'
c) Pick more mid pricers instead of just guns and rookies
That requires a little bit of skill.

 

[Jessbek]

I'm excited about the backline, I don't know what I'll do by the start of the season.

Mitchell, Grimes, Bartel, Hodge, McVeigh, Walker, Birchall, Swallow, Suckling, Hibberd, Ibbo, Clancee and the other options I've missed. The new pricing means you'll probably pick around three of these guys. Look at that variety, so glad that this change has been made. Now this is exciting!

 

[Fitzey]

Will it still be 2 trades per week?

 

[Hawkinspired]

Everyone currently goes GnR strategy=no skill
Everyone having to do one of three options-
a) Go the GnR strategy with less reliable rookie options
b) Still pick the draftees even with their higher prices and have less 'guns'
c) Pick more mid pricers instead of just guns and rookies
That requires a little bit of skill.

I don't agree about the mid prices requiring more skill. There's plenty of Mitch Clark's around each year where your buying cheap and you know what you're going to get. Rookies often come in and out of the side and you really have little idea about how they will score. I suspect the purpose is to create more diversity in peoples sides, but IMO I think we are just taking a different path to achieve the same result.

 

[Crawb]

Fun stat: Majak Daw averaged 128 in his non sub effected games in 2013.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Fun stat: Majak Daw averaged 128 in his non sub effected games in 2013.

Lock him in?

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I'm excited about the backline, I don't know what I'll do by the start of the season.

Mitchell, Grimes, Bartel, Hodge, McVeigh, Walker, Birchall, Swallow, Suckling, Hibberd, Ibbo, Clancee and the other options I've missed. The new pricing means you'll probably pick around three of these guys. Look at that variety, so glad that this change has been made. Now this is exciting!

good for the game, everyone had the same back line last year

 

[Crawb]

Lock him in?

Well...it was just 1 game..

 

[ScrewInStuds]

What are people's thoughts on the best 115,200 priced mid next year? Nobody in that list really jumps out at me.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

What are people's thoughts on the best 115,200 priced mid next year? Nobody in that list really jumps out at me.

None really.

Your best bet is Ellis and Polec at $135k. Look likely for a spot in their team's best 22 and have a few years in the system.

 

[ScrewInStuds]

None really.

Your best bet is Ellis and Polec at $135k. Look likely for a spot in their team's best 22 and have a few years in the system.

Thanks for the advice. I've already got Ellis and Polec as my M8/M9, but am 1500 short of getting O'Rourke as my M10. I've got Perris instead at the moment, but would ideally like someone more likely to get games. I guess I'll just have to wait and see how the preseason unfolds...

 

[dylan123]

Ellis-Yolmen probably the most likely to get games from the 115k players I can see. There's a few I don't know but CEY has been on the Crows list for a few years, doing reasonably well in the SANFL (was very impressed with what I saw of him in the pre season games at the start of the year) and will be pushing hard for a selection in the best 22. However with no injuries I can't see him making it, nor will any player at based price I wouldn't think (basically the guys on rookie list of teams).

 

[Schulzenfest]

Thanks for the advice. I've already got Ellis and Polec as my M8/M9, but am 1500 short of getting O'Rourke as my M10. I've got Perris instead at the moment, but would ideally like someone more likely to get games. I guess I'll just have to wait and see how the preseason unfolds...

Can you downgrade anywhere else? There's a few decent 115k options in the rucks (Currie, Lowden, Thurlow) and forward line (Kersten, Markworth, Thurlow again). Schade, Battersby and Steinberg at 115k in the backline are also no worse than the rest of a bad bunch of defender rookies.

If you must get a mid, a few reasonable ideas would be Mitch Hallahan, Ben Ross, Dom Barry, Isaac Conway or Josh Cowan. But there's so many good 135k mids that you're probably better off conserving cash elsewhere.

NOTE: Some of these guys won't be listed at 115k on Fanfooty yet, but according to the list of player prices posted elsewhere on this forum they are 115k.

 

[Crawb]

Quick thoughts on having an in depth look at the official prices from all 18 clubs:

*Plenty of elite backline premiums. Last year the backline lacked a lot of this. Additions of Hodge, Bartel, McVeigh, Mitchell have helped massively.
*No stand out must have captain material premium midfielder this year. Will be the major difference in a lot of starting teams me thinks. Swan, Ablett or SJ? Ablett personally.
*Plenty of good value in the rucks. Every strategy regarding the structuring of the rucks has merit. Good value all across the board makes this very interesting.
*Lack of strong forward premiums. However there is considerable cheap talent to make up for it. Clark, Fasolo, Patton, Rohan, Bock, Kersten. Plenty of others too. I believe people will be starting with weak forward lines this year in order to have the strongest team possible.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Quick thoughts on having an in depth look at the official prices from all 18 clubs:

*Plenty of elite backline premiums. Last year the backline lacked a lot of this. Additions of Hodge, Bartel, McVeigh, Mitchell have helped massively.
*No stand out must have captain material premium midfielder this year. Will be the major difference in a lot of starting teams me thinks. Swan, Ablett or SJ? Ablett personally.
*Plenty of good value in the rucks. Every strategy regarding the structuring of the rucks has merit. Good value all across the board makes this very interesting.
*Lack of strong forward premiums. However there is considerable cheap talent to make up for it. Clark, Fasolo, Patton, Rohan, Bock, Kersten. Plenty of others too. I believe people will be starting with weak forward lines this year in order to have the strongest team possible.

Good post
The worst part about the forwards, last year even as well, is that there are about 20 - good forwards, but barely any must haves. Picking the right 3-4 will be a huge challenge
Personally I wont be starting with Ablett, I dont know if he's captain "lock it in" material any more and I'm afraid of the forward pocket of death

 

[Crawb]

Good post
The worst part about the forwards, last year even as well, is that there are about 20 - good forwards, but barely any must haves. Picking the right 3-4 will be a huge challenge
Personally I wont be starting with Ablett, I dont know if he's captain "lock it in" material any more and I'm afraid of the forward pocket of death

I don't think Ablett, Swan or SJ are lock it in material to be honest, or at least not what they used to be. But you kinda to have to select one purely just for the captaincy choice. And Ablett's starts to the year are historically better plus Collingwood won't get any better in 2014 along with the fact the Pies have a very tough opening draw.