Jason Dunstall vs Tony Lockett

[RUNVS]

Harsh. One of the few tolerable footy pundits around at the moment.

He really is. I like Dunstall as a commentator. He is also very fair and reasonable when analysing the game.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Dunstall. Was captain for four years which tells me he was a leader.

Based on pure playing exploits it's splitting hairs.

The impact of a single player is very overrated in footy - I can't think of a single sport where any one man has less influence.

If you're a leader that makes multiple players better however, the ultimate influence can be enormous.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Perhaps, but then he wouldn't have a need to hit anyone because they wouldn't be hanging on or chopping his arms and how good would those 4 games be to watch.

Lockett never needed a reason to hit someone...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

He really is. I like Dunstall as a commentator. He is also very fair and reasonable when analysing the game.

Probably errs too far the other way when talking about Hawthorn if anything

 

[#gosaintas]

Dunstall. Was captain for four years which tells me he was a leader.

Based on pure playing exploits it's splitting hairs.

The impact of a single player is very overrated in footy - I can't think of a single sport where any one man has less influence.

If you're a leader that makes multiple players better however, the ultimate influence can be enormous.

What a stupid post

 

[Jewbacca]

of all the all time greats these two are the most similar. I'm not sure the poor team argument means much as we've seen with Fev and others, bottom teams often only have the one avenue to goal which can lead to good goal tallys.

Brereton said if you want a guy to watch and marvel at his feats: Ablett. a full-forward to win one game: Lockett. A full-forward to play for your season: Dunstall. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Big Fresh]

What a stupid post

Settle down.

 

[brisbane13]

Dunstall. Machine.

Lead out. Chest mark. Kick a goal. Kick a goal. Kick a kick a goal.

On field and off field a better player.

One of the few brilliant full forwards not to be completely batsh*t crazy.

big difference, locket played in shit sides most of his career, lower quality midfield supplying the ball less
Dunstall played in a golden era for the hawks, mid fielders winning the ball constantly, much more supply of the ball, & better delivery
Lockett was the machine, how many more goals would he have kicked it he had a midfield like dunstall had, many hundreds more!

 

[#gosaintas]

of all the all time greats these two are the most similar. I'm not sure the poor team argument means much as we've seen with Fev and others, bottom temas often only have the on avenue to goal which can lead to good goal tallys.

Brereton said if you want a guy to watch and marvel at his feats: Ablett. a full-forward to win one game: Lockett. A full-forward to play for your season: Dunstall. Seems reasonable to me.

Quoting Brereton gives no kudos. He played for Hawthorn and is close to brain dead. We also had Loewe and Winmar in our forward line

 

[brisbane13]

Dunstall would win you Premierships. Lockett would win you games.

JD>Lockett.

give Lockett the ball supply that Dunstall had, how many more goals would he have kicked?, many hundards more, than he already from dunstall

 

[beta_condition]

give Lockett the ball supply that Dunstall had, how many more goals would he have kicked?, many hundards more, than he already from dunstall

So you believe Richo was better than Lloyd? Dunstall was still kicking bags of goals even when Hawthorn slipped down the ladder.

 

[brisbane13]

So you believe Richo was better than Lloyd? Dunstall was still kicking bags of goals even when Hawthorn slipped down the ladder.

im sure he did but lockett did most of his career

whats richo vs lloyd got to do with the thread?, create a new thread about it

 

[brisbane13]

Quoting Brereton gives no kudos. He played for Hawthorn and is close to brain dead. We also had Loewe and Winmar in our forward line

hawthorn had champions like Jarman( noted for being one of the best kicks ever), Plattens, Pritchards, etc
Lockett had spuds like jason Daniels delivering the ball, even robert harvey wasn't the greatest of kicks

 

[Jewbacca]

give Lockett the ball supply that Dunstall had, how many more goals would he have kicked?, many hundards more, than he already from dunstall

Dunstall had better forwards to compete with and quality all around him kicking goals. Dunstall also missed a heap of footy at the end with 2 knees and a skull fracture.. He was ahead of Lockett before the first knee iirc.

Can't split them personally as they were very similar on the whole. Lockett more imposing, Dunstall better defensively and probably more rounded as a footballer.

 

[Freeeoo]

Who was the better footballer as an individual? I'd say Lockett.

As someone who could play as part of a wider team set-up? Dunstall.

I don't rate Brereton much - but did hear a comment I quite agreed with

You look at ablett at applaud his indivdual brilliance, you'd back lockett to be the one who would be the best on any given day, but you'd pick Dunstall for a bloke who over an entire career would perform and win seasons/premierships year after year after year

It's fair to say though that everyone's impressions of fooballers is coloured considerably by how that bloke goes against your side - as that is the game you see most often. Hence for me I've always rated Lockett - we needed to play 2 blokes on him and he still managed to kick 6.

People often rate Carey, yet as a WC fan - he did play some great games, but on the whole Jako had his measure, particularly pre-knee. As such, he never had the GOAT dominance that others may have experienced from other sides.

This.
Geez Plugger could tear a game apart when he got going. Dunstall was a consistent performer week in week out.

 

[FootyGeek]

big difference, locket played in shit sides most of his career, lower quality midfield supplying the ball less
Dunstall played in a golden era for the hawks, mid fielders winning the ball constantly, much more supply of the ball, & better delivery
Lockett was the machine, how many more goals would he have kicked it he had a midfield like dunstall had, many hundreds more!

Machine means reliability.

Locket was great but his ups and downs were much greater that Dunstall.

If you asked a coach who wants a premiership whether they want a 4 goal a game fullforward.

One who will kick four goals every week and one who will kick one goal one week and 7 the next?

They will always pick the more consistant forward.

Supporters love Plugger and rightly so ans absolute legend. But in terms of footy output, premierships a bloke like Dunstall is more important.

Dunstall was a very important part of the Hawthorn premiership factory at the time. Team player.

He could have kicked 1600 goals if he really wanted to. If he had chosen that path though, he most likely would have missed out on a flag or two.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Lockett, demi-god
People actually underrate Lockett because he never got a premiership but the fact is seeing him play it was simply amazing, greatest player this game has ever seen.

 

[Kram]

This.
Geez Plugger could tear a game apart when he got going. Dunstall was a consistent performer week in week out.

I'm fairly sure Plugger kicked 100 goals in 13 games returning from suspension in 1991, that's pretty consistent!

 

[a_fighting_fury]

Plugger.

 

[Resting88]

number of goals kicd by either player is irrelevant in regards to premierships won.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I'm fairly sure Plugger kicked 100 goals in 13 games returning from suspension in 1991, that's pretty consistent!

Probably kicked 7 one week and 13 the next... that isn't very consistent - huge standard deviation!!

 

[Freeeoo]

I'm fairly sure Plugger kicked 100 goals in 13 games returning from suspension in 1991, that's pretty consistent!

No doubt and he's the one I would pick if I had to, I'd feel pretty confident in a grand final with him my the team. My point is Dunstall would do it almost every week, every year. Both champions.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Dunstall had better forwards to compete with and quality all around him kicking goals. Dunstall also missed a heap of footy at the end with 2 knees and a skull fracture.. He was ahead of Lockett before the first knee iirc.

Can't split them personally as they were very similar on the whole. Lockett more imposing, Dunstall better defensively and probably more rounded as a footballer.

Lockett also missed footy through injuries and they were in his prime too.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Dunstall is one of the biggest morons to ever grace the AFL

What a stupid post

I do hope you were talking to yourself.

 

[Power Raid]

geez, tough call especially if we consider the modern game.

The reality is, you would have to pick who ever could get their weight down to sensible levels.



back then though, I would pick plugger