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rines said:
Wow. What a day. Whilst you have a choice of laughing or crying.. it is a positive that some of this is coming to light. We can only hope that ONE of the major newspapers tries to report it accurately. Unfortunately I am just left with a sick feeling in my stomach that it will all be for nothing. This is the fight that needed to happen last August.. come hell or high water. Perhaps Andruski wouldn't have had time to 'forget' an entire year of her career back then.

No matter how you look at it, today was a major victory for the EFC. Hird was brilliant on the stand and doesn't deviate one inch. Most likely because he has the truth to refer to at all times. So much wrong has been done and this man just continues to front up and lead this club. If only those in power had listened to him last year. The truth shall set you free.

Andruski was cross-examined today, so she is done for the trial (and for any future senior positions). There weren't many questions for her, and I imagine Star was keen to get her off the stand as quickly as possible. One of the worst performances I have seen on a witness stand for a long, long time. The repeated use of "I can't recall" will save her from perjury charges, however Middleton made it pretty clear that everytime she 'didn't recall', he would take that to mean 'yes'.

I have been pretty vocal against the AFL and ASADA from the beginning but I have been shocked, truly shocked, to see the depths they sunk to in order to 'get' the EFC. Lies, deals, deceptions and more. Actually terrifying to consider what this means for doping investigations in this country.

I'm not sure why ASADA is still trying to claim it wasn't a 'joint' investigation.. it clearly was and Middleton has confirmed that he believes that "isn't in doubt" at least three times... seems stupid by ASADA/Andruski. Even weirder is the ASADA preference for the 'even if' defence.. today we had this gem "it wasn't a joint investigation but EVEN IF it was, then that would be legal".. or the "I never authorised the AFL to be in the room but EVEN IF they were, then that would be legal" or the "I never intended to give the interim report to the AFL but EVEN IF I did, then that is legal too" and so on and so on.

Too much to process right now but the bits I enjoyed the most:
AFL and ASADA DID CLEARLY know that the ACC were referring to Essendon. Vlad has now been CONFIRMED as a lying sack of shit by BOTH Hird and AA.
ASADA were looking into multiple clubs but stopped after AFL agreed to offer support if the scope was limited to JUST Essendon
ASADA were concerned about the AFL involvement, but really needed their powers to get around their own limitations so just went with it
ASADA lawyers didn't think the joint investigation was legal, but the CEO chose to follow the AFL legal advice that it was "ok"
ASADA investigators were concerned with releasing the Interim Report but AA was concerned about the AFL brand, so released it anyway
AA was just releasing the interim report for ASADA purposes, because apparently a memo wouldn't have been enough
AA didn't find it odd that large parts of the interim report were quoted verbatim in the AFL charge sheet
AA doesn't recall most of her life from late 2011 to early 2014
AA can take copious notes, but doesn't recall what her own words mean
AA delegated all responsibility for everything to other people
AA confirms the government and AFL were heavily involved in the process from day 1 which is "HIGHLY UNUSUAL"

ASADA is farked but I'm not sure whether that will win us the case, as the question being asked is a very technical legal one unfortunately. If this was just a 'vibe' issue.. then we have it in the bag. Middleton was VISIBLY and CLEARLY distressed with some of AA's testimony and I believe he is strongly 'leaning' towards the fact that EFC have been screwed over. The question will be whether he feels he has the power to order relief.

FACT: If ASADA is stupid enough to pursue the players, they will get destroyed either at the ADRVP or on appeal.
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Great post. All bodes well for us in the long-term, but I'm expecting to have to put up with a minor irritant in the foamers when Middleton probably still doesn't rule in our favour.
 

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Were you in the courtroom rines?
 
Beerfish said:
360 should be interesting. Looking forward to Gerard's take on it.
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Tbh apart from the comments about Hird separating himself from EFC there hasn't been a lot of comment about what had happened in Court
 
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Harlequin said:
I wonder if James Packer is rethinking his appointment of Vlad to Crown Resorts?
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The prerequisites were:
1. Flouts laws
2. Bullying tactics
3. Greedy
4. Dishonesty in public
5. Not afraid to resort to dirty tactics eg hoax callers

Vlad will fit in well at Crown
 

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The Prosecutor said:
Soooo, what exactly? Other clubs may have done some stuff that didn't reach our level of incompetent ness and that's meant to make us look good?
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Are you for real sometimes? We have just seen and heard confirmation that we were subject to a dodgy practise FROM THE START, we were bullied, harassed and pushed to the brink by two corrupt organisations (or one corrupt and the other too weak to stop it) and you want to continue to have a go at the club?

I would STRONGLY suggest that IF the AFL had decided to use these tactics against ANY other club.. then they too could have had a report written that "paints a picture" of poor governance and issues.

How dare you assume that our club was more incompetent than every other club.. we have NO IDEA just how farked the other clubs records would be, or how many supplements, or what oversight they had because it was NEVER INVESTIGATED thanks to Vlad and his agenda!!!!

I think you would shocked to discover that you could probably find another 14 clubs with the same level of 'professionalism' when it comes to a supplement program.. dodgy records, poor accountability and a trust that the 'experts' will handle it properly.

Might I remind you, again, that we have NOT been found of doing anything illegal.. at all.
 

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