Mega Thread The Western Bulldogs - The Sack Macca saga

[dish licker]

BMacs prowess in bringing superb kids to the club is only surpassed by the way he gets rid of the feint hearted pretenders. Onwards and upwards from here.

 

[Wayne Swan]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

 

[Draft Pick]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

Plus a lack of pace and skill.

 

[dish licker]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

Hit the nail, hoping we are working on that, don't grow on trees, will develop what we've got and pick them up as we go along like you did.

 

[TedDougChris]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

We have some holes in our list from poor recruiting, trading and overall list management. Some people here blame Macca - although he wasn't actually here then.

Combined with the inability to control the game time development of the kids (due to no standalone VFL side), we dropped off badly after our peak PF years. Some people on here blame Macca - although he wasn't actually here then.

We are trying to fix these problems as best we can, in an era of compromised drafts, FA etc. It's just going to take time. Some people cannot see this.

 

[wian]

I am very happy with Big Mac

 

[theAthenian]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

no becuase even if we had them, we would lose as we dont know what to do with them, we have kp players they just lifted the vfl premiership - one is at NM(Jones) one is out of contract(Redpath) in limbo, and the others are lazy(Talia), vfl standard(Cordy) and still learning (Roberts) according to Match Comittee.

 

[dish licker]

no becuase even if we had them, we would lose as we dont know what to do with them, we have kp players they just lifted the vfl premiership - one is at NM(Jones) one is out of contract(Redpath) in limbo, and the others are lazy(Talia), vfl standard(Cordy) and still learning (Roberts) according to Match Comittee.

Been on the Ouzo again haha

 

[immortalmike]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

A fair response may be, yes we do lack Key Position forwards and it has been a problem before McCartney, but he has also had three years to attempt to rectify that problem and we have drafted none and rookied one in Redpath.
Not entirely his responsibility, though.
Mind you I wouldn't say that is our "real" problem. Our real problem was the lemon of a list McCartney inherited followed by his and the match committee's slightly baffling selection policies.

 

[Beasley]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

Kicking skills too ..........

 

[Rockford18sx2]

Not sure if this is where I should post this, or if it has already been posted. Looks relevant to the recent conversation in this thread.

Http://www.seek.com.au/job/27353386

Anyone here got a few spare hours up their sleeve might want to apply.

Edit: CV's were due by 5pm today. Too late.

 

[Some Idiot]

Not sure if this is where I should post this, or if it has already been posted. Looks relevant to the recent conversation in this thread.

Http://www.seek.com.au/job/27353386

Anyone here got a few spare hours up their sleeve might want to apply.

Edit: CV's were due by 5pm today. Too late.

Is the club scraping the bottom of the barrel or exploring all options by advertising on seek?

 

[immortalmike]

Is the club scraping the bottom of the barrel or exploring all options by advertising on seek?

I've seen other clubs advertise on Seek, hardly something to be worried about.

 

[Rockford18sx2]

Is the club scraping the bottom of the barrel or exploring all options by advertising on seek?

Wouldn't say scraping the bottom of the barrel. Would Rather them be looking for someone to fill this type of role than not looking at all. People have been crying out for more tactical nouse from our coaching department all year. This position, if filled, will address many peoples concerns re; match day selection and game day strategy.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Either Macca (and co) have lost touch with the 'in between' group and hence why 3 (at least) are on the move OR these players are not part of the LT plan and we have been strategically orchestrating some clever trading and list overall. If we walked out of trade week with 1 established player (Greenwood) and 1-2 emerging youngsters (Jaksch and Membrey) ... then perhaps this has been the plan all along. Some ST pain, but LT heading in the right direction. I seriously doubt that the 3 players leaving are part of the LT picture.

 

[grassman75]

Hey theAthenian, do you have info I don't, or did I miss the fact that Norf now have Jones up forward?

Higgins is at Norf, where he will fit in perfectly with weak of mind footballers who rate themselves highly #saveboomer

 

[fargy]

Is the club scraping the bottom of the barrel or exploring all options by advertising on seek?

Coming from a sports administration background all I've seen all clubs advertise a majority of positions on seek and other job based sites. It's all about giving everyone a fair chance, although often the descriptions are written with certain people in mind.

 

[Fossie 32]

Kicking skills too ..........

Wayne Swan said: ↑
Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

Plus a lack of pace and skill. Draft Pick

Apart from that, we're looking good

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Not sure if this is where I should post this, or if it has already been posted. Looks relevant to the recent conversation in this thread.

Http://www.seek.com.au/job/27353386

Anyone here got a few spare hours up their sleeve might want to apply.

Edit: CV's were due by 5pm today. Too late.

I sent them an application during the week made up entirely of my 1400+ awesome BigFooty posts.

I start at Whitten Oval Monday. Not like they don't already, but now everybody can claim to have an inside sauce.

 

[lindsay_bulldogs]

I sent them an application during the week made up entirely of my 1400+ awesome BigFooty posts.

I start at Whitten Oval Monday. Not like they don't already, but now everybody can claim to have an inside sauce.

I think you need to get of the sauce

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Isn't your real problem a lack of quality KP players and not the coach?

Me being a major critic of our coach, it's mainly tactical. Just watching our games I don't see our coach as a very strong tactical coach compared to the others in the league. And yes, I do recognise the players that he has at his disposal.

 

[VitalDread]

no becuase even if we had them, we would lose as we dont know what to do with them, we have kp players they just lifted the vfl premiership - one is at NM(Jones) one is out of contract(Redpath) in limbo, and the others are lazy(Talia), vfl standard(Cordy) and still learning (Roberts) according to Match Comittee.

Roughie and Roberts both had busted shoulders this year and playing both of them at afl level was a risk.
Talia also hurt his shoulder as well after the bombers game which kept him from playing his top level form for about 6 weeks in the vfl.

Cordy was playing vfl level due to his past injuries and the club wanted him to play a full season.
Redpath was a rookie so yeh

 

[goodcop badcop]

Does anyone else think the medical staff are a bit incompetent?

The reason I ask is we have a habit of playing injured player's over the year's and it's never really worked out. Brian Lake, Easton Wood, Brad Johnson and Shaun Higgins shout out to me over the year's.

Then looking at this year, I don't think Roughead, Minson, Griffen and Talia really looked right yet we kept playing them.

Also rarely do we get a full run down of injuries from the medical staff. Prudden seems to always be on the list, yet very rarely is there an explanation as to why.

 

[igloo dweller]

Does anyone else think the medical staff are a bit incompetent?

The reason I ask is we have a habit of playing injured player's over the year's and it's never really worked out. Brian Lake, Easton Wood, Brad Johnson and Shaun Higgins shout out to me over the year's.

Then looking at this year, I don't think Roughead, Minson, Griffen and Talia really looked right yet we kept playing them.

Also rarely do we get a full run down of injuries from the medical staff. Prudden seems to always be on the list, yet very rarely is there an explanation as to why.

incompetent is a very, very strong term, GCBC.

higgins' really only issue that was 'managed' was OP. the rest have been breaks, medical issues. OP is always an injury that is a week-by-week thing. pure rest doesn't really affect outcome. lake's hips have been chronic issues, only really ******ing his performance towards the end of his doggies days - brilliantly managed prior to this. adam cooney still playing football is a miracle.

playing footy players with suspect fitness isn't as black and white as the footy fans thinks it is. there is always a trade off between development, conditioning, team needs, the opponent, the stage of season and the type of injury. the traditional hierarchical of medicine (where the doctor calls all the shots) is long extinct in the sporting sphere. 'fitness' isn't a level - it's an ambiguous conversation. with my knowledge of the state of play with the guys we had - i can't really fault the rehab / medical team.

the worst blue was mitch wallis's sprained ankle, which was actually an avulsion 5th MT bone (tough diagnosis and it didn't cost weeks anyway - he was always going to need surgery). second worst was matty fuller's shoulder management - reckon should have pulled the pin on him earlier (wasn't important structurally, developmentally, and performance was poor). the joys of hindsight.

jabbing a player up each week so he plays at 80% so that he can get to the end of the season (roughy the best example here), have his clean out (or whatever), and recover in the off-season is usually the chosen path - as opposed to pulling a player mid-season for a scope, have him lose condition, match practice, match payments, and have the team suffer structurally (check out where the above players play - key posts).

there is some merit in the communication issue. more info can be done without compromising confidentiality. fans care about their idols' welfare. they pay the medical staff's wages.

anyways - i reckon the medical staff went ok!

 

[VitalDread]

I understand my post would have started a war.