List Mgmt. 2014 Draft

[Agenfrida]

Chem Smith had me excited but running 11.1 beat test is very poor unless he had an injury.

I think most will disagree, and admittedly I haven't seen him play, but from what I've read his disposal isn't great. In fact one of the phantom draft profiles suggests he butchers the ball. Given he's pretty small too, I wouldn't spend more than a rookie pick on him.

 

[george2]

I think most will disagree, and admittedly I haven't seen him play, but from what I've read his disposal isn't great. In fact one of the phantom draft profiles suggests he butchers the ball. Given he's pretty small too, I wouldn't spend more than a rookie pick on him.

I think his skills may be better than what people say. I think he finished pretty high up in the skills test at draft camp. Whether or not that translates over in to games though is a different story.
Would be happy if he lasted to our second pick.

 

[Chris25]

Smith's kicking problems are very overrated.

 

[eastfreo75]

Chris, Smith's 11.1 beep test result, can he run out a game?

 

[salim malik]

Chris, Smith's 11.1 beep test result, can he run out a game?

Puts him down the pecking order

 

[Taylor]

Darren Burgess said that anyone who runs under 12 on the beep test gets crossed off the list.

So he could be available very, very late.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

can anyone provide a link or direction to where I could see the players bio's and videos to look through?

cheers

 

[Agenfrida]

can anyone provide a link or direction to where I could see the players bio's and videos to look through?

cheers

BF phantom drafts for bio's. Youtube for highlights.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Has everyone gone cold on recruiting Eddie Dann . He had a very good season at Peel and he knows the RTB game plan so what's not to like about the kid .

Does he?

You yourself have been quite vocal about Peel not really having a cohesive game plan, and he's never trained with us. I've certainly not seen Peel utilise an 'RTB' game plan. He's 25 going on 26 so tbh I don't really see much point in it.

 

[Lach72]

Lamb looked meh in those highlights...

 

[blue shark]

Chris, Smith's 11.1 beep test result, can he run out a game?

Id rather a footballer than an athlete, you could of said the same thing about Walters, C Pearce, if he is mentally prepared to work, and buy in,
end of story.

 

[Taylor]

Id rather a footballer than an athlete, you could of said the same thing about Walters, C Pearce, if he is mentally prepared to work, and buy in,
end of story.

There are plenty of taller footballer athletes though.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Chem Smith had me excited but running 11.1 beat test is very poor unless he had an injury.

Not an issue at all. If he has everything, or a lot, of the other attributes then who cares? Of all you need to make it in the AFL, a big tank is the one thing you can actually build. When you're 17, even if you're playing State, you're training three or four times a week and still chasing skirt and having Swannies (unless you're one of those boring pricks like Tom Scully). You don't need to be any more fit than you are if you're getting games and attention and a very, very likely AFL spot. Whereas at AFL level, you run all day. Like you literally spend months running in the middle of the Perth heat. So, ahhh, yeah, that's not an issue at all.

Beep tests and fitness are so overrated. Easiest thing to change. The hardest is picking up people who simply don't have the mental aptitude or the footy brain.

Sam Menegola could run all day and made Mzungu look like the Titanic (post-iceberg). He was axed because he was a shit footballer.

 

[Silent Alarm]

There are plenty of taller footballer athletes though.

Footballer athletes? These are the end of days

 

[Taylor]

Footballer athletes? These are the end of days

Short guys who can't run will be left behind by taller guys who can run.

That's the reality of the game. There are enough tall runners playing football that smaller plodders get left.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

FWIW - here is my preferred picks for each of the 1st three rounds - assuming we wont go in with more than that

Round 1 - pick 13
Hugh Goddard
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 93 kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Club: Geelong Falcons
Caleb MarchbankPosition: Defender/forward
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 85 kg, DOB: 7/12/1996
Club: Murray Bushrangers
Tyler Keitel
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 194 cm, Weight: 86 kg, DOB: 07/02/1996
Club: East Perth
Round 2 – pick 34
Clem Smith
Position: Utility
Height: 177 cm, Weight: 74 kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
Club: Perth

Oscar McDonald
Position: Key defender/forward
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 88 kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Club: North Ballarat
Tom Lamb
Position: Forward/midfielder
Height: 192 cm, Weight: 83 kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
Club: Dandenong Stingrays

Round 3 – pick 53
Josh McGuinness
Position: Defender
Height: 189 cm, Weight: 70 kg, DOB: 20/09/1995
Club: Lauderdale

Daniel Nielson
Position: Key defender
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 90 kg, DOG: 09/05/1996

 

[Kunna17]

FWIW - here is my preferred picks for each of the 1st three rounds - assuming we wont go in with more than that

Round 1 - pick 13
Hugh Goddard
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 93 kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Club: Geelong Falcons
Caleb MarchbankPosition: Defender/forward
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 85 kg, DOB: 7/12/1996
Club: Murray Bushrangers
Tyler Keitel
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 194 cm, Weight: 86 kg, DOB: 07/02/1996
Club: East Perth
Round 2 – pick 34
Clem Smith
Position: Utility
Height: 177 cm, Weight: 74 kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
Club: Perth

Oscar McDonald
Position: Key defender/forward
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 88 kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Club: North Ballarat
Tom Lamb
Position: Forward/midfielder
Height: 192 cm, Weight: 83 kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
Club: Dandenong Stingrays

Round 3 – pick 53
Josh McGuinness
Position: Defender
Height: 189 cm, Weight: 70 kg, DOB: 20/09/1995
Club: Lauderdale

Daniel Nielson
Position: Key defender
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 90 kg, DOG: 09/05/1996

switch lamb and keitel around

 

[democritus]

Whilst I do agree with the sentiment that once you're in an AFL environment your tank will naturally build, I still think 11.1 is an exceedingly average beep test.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

switch lamb and keitel around

fair call - only went with Kietel as he is from WA - go home factor

Lamb's write up on Paige's phantom draft

Tom Lamb’s biggest bug bear is his body language and attitude. Despite this along with a mixed bag of form during the National Championships, Lamb is still very much in the frame to be a first round selection, but I’ve got him sliding here to the second round. As much as it separates the cream of the crop on offer towards the pointy end of the draft, the National Carnival also has a habit of exposing areas of weakness in players. For Lamb, it showed us a frustrating conundrum in Lamb’s game, whereby he could pull off something stunning, and follow it up with a butchered kick, a stray handball or just an inability to apply himself for four quarters. Despite these inconsistencies, he still offers plenty. At ground level, Lamb is solid, given he tracks the ball well for a player of his size and uses the ball well by hand. His marking game, particularly contested, mirrors that of what key forwards are offering up this year. He reads the ball well in flight, and although he can sometimes double grab a mark rather than take it cleanly, he still marks well both overhead and out in front. Although Lamb’s kicking efficiency around the ground might be his weakness at this stage, he understands the momentum of the game, and often plays on when he can, backing his speed, athleticism and thumping kick to propel his team into attack. Above all, the big tick for Lamb is his versatility.

Player Update: Sliding. He’s had an ordinary finals campaign, and has had a mixed bag this year after a stellar bottom-age season in 2013. Massive upside presents the team that’ll take him.

 

[Kunna17]

fair call - only went with Kietel as he is from WA - go home factor

Lamb's write up on Paige's phantom draft

Tom Lamb’s biggest bug bear is his body language and attitude. Despite this along with a mixed bag of form during the National Championships, Lamb is still very much in the frame to be a first round selection, but I’ve got him sliding here to the second round. As much as it separates the cream of the crop on offer towards the pointy end of the draft, the National Carnival also has a habit of exposing areas of weakness in players. For Lamb, it showed us a frustrating conundrum in Lamb’s game, whereby he could pull off something stunning, and follow it up with a butchered kick, a stray handball or just an inability to apply himself for four quarters. Despite these inconsistencies, he still offers plenty. At ground level, Lamb is solid, given he tracks the ball well for a player of his size and uses the ball well by hand. His marking game, particularly contested, mirrors that of what key forwards are offering up this year. He reads the ball well in flight, and although he can sometimes double grab a mark rather than take it cleanly, he still marks well both overhead and out in front. Although Lamb’s kicking efficiency around the ground might be his weakness at this stage, he understands the momentum of the game, and often plays on when he can, backing his speed, athleticism and thumping kick to propel his team into attack. Above all, the big tick for Lamb is his versatility.

Player Update: Sliding. He’s had an ordinary finals campaign, and has had a mixed bag this year after a stellar bottom-age season in 2013. Massive upside presents the team that’ll take him.

fair enough, just check most the other ones and he seems to be a first round pick OR early second, which we dont have.

 

[democritus]

I just want another Fyfe. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Nickos66]

Darren Burgess said that anyone who runs under 12 on the beep test gets crossed off the list.

So he could be available very, very late.

Daniel Rich was a dud at the beep test, I don't think it means a whole lot in the context of their careers. I'm sure after their 1st pre-season all draftees would be doing at least a 13/14.

FWIW - here is my preferred picks for each of the 1st three rounds - assuming we wont go in with more than that

Round 1 - pick 13
Hugh Goddard
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 93 kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Club: Geelong Falcons
Caleb MarchbankPosition: Defender/forward
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 85 kg, DOB: 7/12/1996
Club: Murray Bushrangers
Tyler Keitel
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 194 cm, Weight: 86 kg, DOB: 07/02/1996
Club: East Perth
Round 2 – pick 34
Clem Smith
Position: Utility
Height: 177 cm, Weight: 74 kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
Club: Perth

Oscar McDonald
Position: Key defender/forward
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 88 kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Club: North Ballarat
Tom Lamb
Position: Forward/midfielder
Height: 192 cm, Weight: 83 kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
Club: Dandenong Stingrays

Round 3 – pick 53
Josh McGuinness
Position: Defender
Height: 189 cm, Weight: 70 kg, DOB: 20/09/1995
Club: Lauderdale

Daniel Nielson
Position: Key defender
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 90 kg, DOG: 09/05/1996

I'd throw Mitch McGovern into calculations for either our 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Eski3]

While I agree that beep test scores are overrated, they are not irrelevant

They can also be indicative of attitude, and 11.1 indicates he simply isn't willing to work hard, regardless of his fitness base

 

[manpurple]

I would in all honesty prefer to take pace with our first round pick. So I am looking at Picket or Garlett (Jarrod). In this vein I am impressed by how both sided Garlett is. Picket has done really well at the draft camp, possibly to well for him to be around for our pick. Both play well coming off the half back line.

Thoughts.

 

[Seppo]

While I agree that beep test scores are overrated, they are not irrelevant

They can also be indicative of attitude, and 11.1 indicates he simply isn't willing to work hard, regardless of his fitness base

I did a quick scan over a few of our recently recruited players and the worst Beep test results i can find are 13.1 from the likes of Rookies Gav Roberts and JWK.

since 2010 our drafting has focused on great endurance levels as a bare minimum.