News DONE DEAL: Patrick Ryder traded to Port Adelaide

[Chachi]

You say that Essendon supporters are delusional. But at least we can have a conversation about the actual topic. I can't even discuss this without people bring up "ohhhh drugzz'' 'Hird the human needle"

It's logical that your defensive regarding those topics and you must be sick to death of hearing about it. However you must acknowledge these are only issues because of your clubs doing and nobody else AND they are relevant in this trade due to the new clause in all AFL player contracts.
I don't recall a player ever having a case against the club he is trying to leave at an AFL grievance hearing. The neutral observer says he has an excellent case against Essendon. Essendon will consider if this were to occur what the possible outcomes would be. They are;

1) Essendon may lose Ryder for nix.

2) More importantly is that it possibly sets a precedent for any other Essendon player looking to leave next year or in the near future. In addition to this it opens the gate to possible Civil litigation. Civil litigation may never occur but once a player is scorned or feels like they have been genuinely disadvantaged in some way then it's a very real threat for the Bombers. If an AFL Grievance Tribunal rules in favour of the player it's a pretty good indication what will happen in a Civil Court where the burden of proof is on the balance of probabilities and NOT beyond a reasonable doubt (as in Criminal cases).

This does effect a clubs bargaining position whether you or I like it or not. Pick 17 is slightly unders for Ryder in a trade where the above factors are not an issue but they are and hence pick 17 is about right. Plus, I haven't even considered how possible player bans effect the deal.

I think Essendon will do a deal involving pick 17, perhaps with a sweetener. Essendon has always been my second team and they will remain that way. I don't take their stand with Ryder as an attack at Port Adelaide, I put it down to being fed up with their predicament, them thinking clubs are looking to take advantage of this and a large case of Dodoro 'testa dura'.

 

[Portia]

"Overs" is one thing. Essendon demands is quite another.

Absolutely. But just as we committed early, Ryder also committed early. It is because we offered pick 17 that Ryder is in the position where its very hard for him to go back, and as time goes on it gets harder.

I believe if Essendon said pick #17 would do, PAFC would happily do the deal and move on. I don't believe it ever would've been the intention to use #17 as a gambit explicitly to force a player to come to us for free - its low percentage, and a bluff that can be called.

90% of `luck' is just what happens when you work hard to be in a position to take advantage of a variety of outcomes. Thats what this is.

 

[Portia]

Over 45000 posts. You're very disagreeable

Exceptionally, but less so lately.

 

[PhoenixPower]

You say that Essendon supporters are delusional. But at least we can have a conversation about the actual topic. I can't even discuss this without people bring up "ohhhh drugzz'' 'Hird the human needle"

Think about it. He wants to leave because of the toxic environment both inside the club and away from it which was no fault of his

He has a drug suspension hanging over his head

He has about 4-5 years of high end football left in him

Given essendon are being forced into this of course they have less leverage and no way in hell should essendon be given "overs" in this situation

Pick 16-19 in the 2006 draft nabbed Lobbe, Rance, Harry Taylor and Callan Ward. Imagine the bombers get a 10-14 year player of that caliber for the loss of 4-5 years of ryder?

Given the reasons he wants out, and the possible suspension - is 17 REALLY unders?

Without those 2 factors then yes he would be worth a top 12 pick but that's it.

To think you'll get that pick plus a star like wines production for the next decade is ludicrous

17 or we will let the courts decide......

 

[port09]

WTF? You've been spending too much time on the Essendon board. The longer this goes on the cheaper we get him.

lol,,,,,,what i dont want happening is spending the whole trade period on Ryder and then we end up with nothing.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

lol,,,,,,what i dont want happening is spending the whole trade period on Ryder and then we end up with nothing.

Dude there is 4 days to go just don't blink

 

[Traveling_Power]

Yep I just got banned from the Essendon board.

Badge of honour.

Fishadian or whatever his name is may well be the biggest campaigner of all time

the Essendon idiots are so precious ..

 

[SwampRat]

You say that Essendon supporters are delusional. But at least we can have a conversation about the actual topic. I can't even discuss this without people bring up "ohhhh drugzz'' 'Hird the human needle"

Drugs are the entire reason he is leaving. It IS the topic. If not for drugs, Paddy would still be a happy Bomber.

We have a player who wants to leave because he feels aggrieved and betrayed by what the club has done to him. A player who would rather retire than continue to play at Essendon. After years of loyal service he wishes a new home and a new start. He also has the spectre of a ban hanging over his head. Any reasonable person can feel for him.

In the other corner, we have Essendon showing absolutely no remorse, and CONTINUING to show no regard for its players and would rather try to nickel and dime us in a trade than actually help him get to his destination of choice. Would Essendon really force Paddy to stay or retire if it came down to it? The AFL community's opinion of your club is pretty low, but are they that low? Would they try to ruin a career due to a situation they've created themselves?

Essendon's behaviour for the last 2 years has been deplorable. Port have been reasonable in trades, but Essendon has no goodwill left. And we will have no problems taking him for nothing when Paddy goes to the grievance tribunal. In fact, personally it's my preference now. Not because I want our club to pay nothing, but because in light of everything that has happened, Essendon deserve nothing.

 

[I Dont Care]

Exceptionally, but less so lately.

#silianrail

 

[raman]

lol,,,,,,what i dont want happening is spending the whole trade period on Ryder and then we end up with nothing.

Firstly, ellipses are formed from three full stops, not six commas.

Secondly, I don't know why you think that would happen.

 

[Dylan8]

lol,,,,,,what i dont want happening is spending the whole trade period on Ryder and then we end up with nothing.

I don't think you realise that Cripps and the lads are always working on multiple deals, they're professionals.

 

[AndrewJo]

I don't think you realise that Cripps and the lads are always working on multiple deals, they're professionals.

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

 

[PhoenixPower]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

They can offer what they want but if ryder doesn't want to go there it's not happening

And guess what - ryder wants to play for port ;-)

 

[Portia]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

Thanks for eagerly scurrying out from the skirting board to share that.

 

[PJ Power]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

If Ryder is happy to go there after publicly committing to us, then so be it.
To give up pick 5 for a player with 4-5 y of footy ahead of him when you are not a club in premiership contention seems a very heavy price. Perhaps Essendon will hand back their first pick.
We can concentrate on other targets in that case.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Thanks for eagerly scurrying out from the skirting board to share that.

Wonder if they've informed paddy lol

 

[Noobz0r]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

Welcome to yesterday

 

[Traveling_Power]

No. Either trade a player (yes we know Essendon are not appealing at the moment) or try to get a 3 or 4 way trade going.

Yeah, but it's a 'private party' on the essendon board

Yeah. Idiots.

Edit: Although, they wouldn't have been able to get 17 + 21 with out losing someone else along with Ryder.

they could have satisfied one of the other players who want to leave

 

[Power freak 2008]

Well aren't you a clever one.

I just think that we are all flabbergasted at the way you close your eyes to what the real issue here is. Player welfare. If Ryder goes to Brisbane and he is happy to go it would be a good result for your club. Port could never offer more than pick 17.

Do you accept that Ryder could take this harder than some of the other players in the club not only due to the worry he endured but the value he places on family??? Is there any empathy with the situation that I have painted???

 

[raman]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

7 minutes earlier on another board:

So what would you say if suddenly Brisbane changed course and signed Ryder for pick 5 on Monday?????

 

[Chewy316]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

That was a rumour that started early this morning. Peter Schwab tweeted today that Brisbane are firmly working a deal to land Beams. Brisbane also said some time ago that had Paddy nominated Brisbane, pick 5 wasn't on the table, only their second round pick.

 

[I Dont Care]

Thanks for eagerly scurrying out from the skirting board to share that.

Genuine lol

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

They're really scared of us getting Ryder aren't they? You can smell their fear.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Just heard that Brisbane have changed tack on Beams and so Ryder for Pick 5 is their offer to Essendon. Will sign Monday. Don't shoot the messenger here but mark it down. Could it possibly be true if Rooch has not posted it??

 

[QPower]

Hopefully Ryder gets out using the grievance tribunal and then sues the Bummers for damages.

Essendon will be bankrupted as a result of their drug programme and it is unlikely the AFL will bail them out.