The Western Bulldogs Next Coach

[DexterTan]

One thing about all these coaches who have been in a good system or finals teams. Do they know how to work with a rebuilding team with systems that may not be up to scratch.

Just because someone has been with a gun team, doesn't make them the best. I don't have a good feeling about this coach appointment. Should of went harder for best available... and that was rocket.

The culture is different in AFL.

It's not like the NBA where a coach that had been fired can then be re hired a few years later (eg: Mike Brown - Cleveland Cavs).

There's the assumption that Rocket would say YES as well if the dogs went "hard". If he said no.....then where does that leave the dogs?

 

[timtamWB]

Might be just me , but I don't like tiny coaches. Remember Gotch ? he looked ridiculous at the half time huddle.
We require a min height say 178 cm.

Funny you should say that, I'm 179 cm. Maybe I should apply?

Rules out NathanMJ_WB54 though

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I'm 177. **** you guys.

 

[TMoney22]

The culture is different in AFL.

It's not like the NBA where a coach that had been fired can then be re hired a few years later (eg: Mike Brown - Cleveland Cavs).

There's the assumption that Rocket would say YES as well if the dogs went "hard". If he said no.....then where does that leave the dogs?

true. we would be where we are now, so it couldn't have hurt

 

[yebiga]

Neither bomber or Williams will coach our club. Not the right fit. Both are on the wrong side of loopy and I think it would be a seriously bad move by the club. There is a reason why Williams has not got another gig.

Loopy is almost a prerequisite for the best coaches
The fact is our club has made self sabotage into an art for 60 years now.
Eade is for the suns is perfect
Williams or Bomber for us is perfect
The arguments against are excuses, fear of success, fear of big sponsors, fear of big crowds
We are comfortable being ordinary and hanging in the shadows of irrelevancy
i have nothing against Beveridge, he probably deserves a chance but not with us
We have a core of great kids, we need some experience and some excitement to start making things happen
Beveridge is not that person, I don't care how many VAFA premierships he has or whether he sleeps with Clarkson
This club needs a leader not a rooky who maybe will maybe wont, maybe if he can traverse the mine field of treachery embedded in our club.

A joke of a decision

Another penny pinching decision

The immediate difference between Williams/bomber and this Beveridge is somewhere between 5,000 to 10,000 members not to mention the clubs ability to. Attract sponsors and the increased media coverage

This is precisely what melbourne did from bailey to neeld another 2 lost years of crap

The core of our new list is there it is time to move

What a crock

 

[yebiga]

Again, how do we know that Williams wasn't approached or that he applied?? Maybe he had no interest in the job at all? I have no idea.

Do you even believe Willia s would have no interest - its crap
Bomber sure, the Macca factor and his attachment to Essendon I could believe
But Williams I don't buy - he would be champing at the bit more than any one else to coach again
It s a question of the terms , he won't be treated for a fool like Macca was and Beveridge will be whether he is up to it or not

 

[Zgope1]

Bombers been available on the coaching landscape since 2011 technically but apparently we'll be the idiots for not going with him? Likewise Choco since 2010. ....

Right. There's a reason neither of them have been locked away by clubs- do we know what it is? No. So let's whack that horse- the one that puffs out dust in the shape of "our club is so rotten our club is so poor it's always us"

Some posters needs to get a grip- we are not sitting in on any of this information.

Ok I'll be more direct, yebiga, get a grip. You don't know what's going on, none of us do. This happens with every coaching decision. I don't see why the simplest response must be that our club is too gutless to go after these current industry outcasts.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

A lot of stuff

hanging in the shadows of irrelevancy

mine field of treachery embedded in our club.

A joke of a decision

Another penny pinching decision.

What a crock

If, as seems likely, neither of your preferred options is hired, will you be starting your own Sack the Drink/Iago/Whoever thread immediately or will you at least give the poor bastard a few games before calling for his head?

 

[yebiga]

Bombers been available on the coaching landscape since 2011 technically but apparently we'll be the idiots for not going with him? Likewise Choco since 2010. ....

Right. There's a reason neither of them have been locked away by clubs- do we know what it is? No. So let's whack that horse- the one that puffs out dust in the shape of "our club is so rotten our club is so poor it's always us"

Some posters needs to get a grip- we are not sitting in on any of this information.

Ok I'll be more direct, yebiga, get a grip. You don't know what's going on, none of us do. This happens with every coaching decision. I don't see why the simplest response must be that our club is too gutless to go after these current industry outcasts.

In 2011/12 choco was the heir apparent for the GWS job
Bomber coached this year

You'll just type any crap

And their are reasons why our club continuously fails as there are reasons for everything

I liked Macca I thought it was good decision bringing him on because we were at the beginning of a rebuild
We are now into the 4 th year - we need maturity and nous
And we desperately need to get a coach who can lead - Beveridge is not that man.

And you know it, everyone knows it - it s a wing and a prayer
I reckon the cleaner down at hawthorn has been considered for our coaching position

How dare you get all uppity
Our club 2 weeks ago displayed for all the world to see that it is largely run by fools asleep at the wheel
Why should I have any confidence in this likely decision when it makes no sense.

And what's the bet Monty stays too under Beveridge just to keep an eye on him, wink wink.

 

[SugarCoat]

I read that Beveridge was Collingwood's Development coach at one stage, which suggests he's good with the younger players.

His CV is basically 'excellence'
He took over our development in 2009.
Jagged a premiership in 2010.
He then went back to his ATO job in 2011.
Then he returned to Hawthorn in 2012 to become an assistant and a development coach.
Every year he has been involved with the AFL, his team has at least reached a GF.

 

[yebiga]

If, as seems likely, neither of your preferred options is hired, will you be starting your own Sack the Drink/Iago/Whoever thread immediately or will you at least give the poor bastard a few games before calling for his head?

I will make Mattdougie look like an pussy from day one

 

[Igloo]

Bombers been available on the coaching landscape since 2011 technically but apparently we'll be the idiots for not going with him? Likewise Choco since 2010. ....

Right. There's a reason neither of them have been locked away by clubs- do we know what it is? No. So let's whack that horse- the one that puffs out dust in the shape of "our club is so rotten our club is so poor it's always us"

Some posters needs to get a grip- we are not sitting in on any of this information.

Ok I'll be more direct, yebiga, get a grip. You don't know what's going on, none of us do. This happens with every coaching decision. I don't see why the simplest response must be that our club is too gutless to go after these current industry outcasts.

Similar to what i've wanted to post for several days, but instead opted into staying out of this thread

Spot on.

 

[timtamWB]

And we desperately need to get a coach who can lead - Beveridge is not that man.

And you know this how exactly? Have you spoken to the man? Have you seen the man in action?

Could you point him out in a lineup?

I'm betting no.

My god suddenly someone that the majority of us had heard of 5 minutes "can't lead" or "isn't ready for the job" or "will lead us into a golden age" or is "the right man for the job".

People, hardly anybody here actually knows whether Beveridge is a good pick for the job. His CV looks very impressive, but that plus a couple of videos are all we have to go on. Can we not spout superlatives just in order to hammer a point home that might not even be right?

 

[SugarCoat]

And you know this how exactly? Have you spoken to the man? Have you seen the man in action?

Know it's only Ammos but his feats with St. Bedes/Mentone prove he can lead.
To win C Grade, B Grade & A Grade in successive years is an amazing feat.
You may point your nose to it but A Grade is only a step below VFL in terms of quality.

 

[Cudi]

Bombers been available on the coaching landscape since 2011 technically but apparently we'll be the idiots for not going with him? Likewise Choco since 2010. ....

Right. There's a reason neither of them have been locked away by clubs- do we know what it is? No. So let's whack that horse- the one that puffs out dust in the shape of "our club is so rotten our club is so poor it's always us"

Some posters needs to get a grip- we are not sitting in on any of this information.

Ok I'll be more direct, yebiga, get a grip. You don't know what's going on, none of us do. This happens with every coaching decision. I don't see why the simplest response must be that our club is too gutless to go after these current industry outcasts.

Couldn't agree more, how do we know these guys even want the gig

Yeah lets throw a heap of cash at him like St Kilda did with Malcolm Blight and have someone disinterested and set us back even more

Just because someone has had previous success doesn't automatically mean they are the best for the job today. The club would be taking this appointment very seriously and to have some suggest "penny pinching" is a joke. Clearly the club showed with Tom Boyd they will do whatever it takes if they think its the right fit.

 

[yebiga]

And you know this how exactly? Have you spoken to the man? Have you seen the man in action?

Could you point him out in a lineup?

I'm betting no.

My god suddenly someone that the majority of us had heard of 5 minutes "can't lead" or "isn't ready for the job" or "will lead us into a golden age" or is "the right man for the job".

People, hardly anybody here actually knows whether Beveridge is a good pick for the job. His CV looks very impressive, but that plus a couple of videos are all we have to go on. Can we not spout superlatives just in order to hammer a point home that might not even be right?

This is the same committee that had Monty as favourite
Now that looks like it won't fly with the media they have gone for Macca mark 11
But we are now into the 4 th year of development
Beveridge bring ps good solid technocrat knowledge
And maybe just maybe he can lead men when the environment is strong and supportive
Well the later we are fresh out of

Williams brings premiership experience, GWS connections, he ran a financially strapped and dysfunctional port Adelaide to a premiership, young players love him, he can sell the club almost as good as Sheedy
What is it we don't like about him - we all know he runs off the mouth and it s his way or no way

Well we have tried the nice consultative head in the sand approach and it bombed in our faces
Is nt this exactly what Melbourne did going from Bailey to Neeld
Unfortunately , the AFL will not save us as it did melbourne they will send us to Auckland

Stop thinking this appointment t thru like an accountant

We need a ****en leader not a learner we need a big personality not a diminutive one

WAKE UP FFS

 

[yebiga]

Couldn't agree more, how do we know these guys even want the gig

Yeah lets throw a heap of cash at him like St Kilda did with Malcolm Blight and have someone disinterested and set us back even more

Just because someone has had previous success doesn't automatically mean they are the best for the job today. The club would be taking this appointment very seriously and to have some suggest "penny pinching" is a joke. Clearly the club showed with Tom Boyd they will do whatever it takes if they think its the right fit.

No lets get another Neeld

 

[Cudi]

No lets get another Neeld

Or another Alastair Clarkson or Ken Hinkley

 

[Metal]

Not sure if this has been posted already:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-12/two-unsung-hawk-heroes

Thanks for that Dex.

I have highlighted the character assessments of him.

Seems like he (a) cares for the players (b) is a student of the game (c) and is a real competitor

Peter Ryan's article from October 2013.

HAWTHORN football manager Chris Fagan doesn't mind praising Luke Beveridge and Brendon Bolton, assistant coaches in the club's 2013 premiership triumph.

Both are great examples of what happens when opportunity meets persistence, and another reminder that you don't need a big name to become a big-time coach.

As a player with three clubs in 11 seasons at AFL level, Beveridge signed 11 one-year contracts.

As a young coach, he became the first person in VAFA history to coach a team from C-Grade to A-Grade premiership in three seasons, when he took St Bede's Mentone on an unprecedented path of success between 2006 and 2008.

As a development coach at Collingwood he was involved in 2009 and 2010 when the club reached a preliminary final before winning a premiership. After one year working in 'the real world' he came to Hawthorn in 2012, to be part of a coaching staff that has since been to consecutive Grand Finals and won one premiership.

It's a resume that any prospective senior coach would like to bring to the table.

"His enthusiasm is outstanding. He is a deep thinker on the game so he offers a lot up at match committee, not just with the defensive group he looks after," Fagan told AFL.com.au.

"What I really love about him is he is strong on his opinions. He doesn't always offer up what the group-think is. He sometimes thinks in an alternative manner and that is good for the group."

The little-known part of the Beveridge tale is that he stared down the barrel of defeat in his first Grand Final as a playing coach, moving himself into defence as his team trailed Ajax by 48 points midway through the second quarter of the 2006 VAFA C-Grade Grand Final played at Trevor Barker Oval.

With two minutes left and the sun's spark dimming as the game heated up, Paul Groves kicked a goal to put St Bede’s in front. It won the high scoring game by one point: 21.12 (138) to Ajax 21.11 (137).

St Bede's Mentone took that form into B-Grade in 2007 and were hot all year under Beveridge, defeating University Blacks by 38 points in the Grand Final.

Suddenly the team was in the unfamiliar territory of A-Grade.

No one has a bad word to say about Beveridge and the environment he, his assistants (one of whom was Tim Lamb who is now in Melbourne's recruiting department), and senior players created.

Former committee member Blair Hutchinson sums up what many at that club think of Beveridge: "He is a good man and has a good feel for people and was very inclusive."

He is also a competitor.

After finishing the home and away season second on the ladder to Collegians, most expected St Bede's to drop off in the finals. However it won the second semi-final in a shock result, then had the Grand Final as good as won at half-time.

It was a fine effort with half a dozen players playing in all three flags.

"He is a wonderful teacher of people," former club president Matt Beasley said. "He does not discriminate against anyone. In his mind the least skilled player is as important to his team structure as the talented match winners are."

The club remains in A-Grade, losing the 2013 Grand Final to Old Xaverians, testament to the legacy Beveridge left.

A strong sense of perspective has stood Beveridge in good stead but it also nearly took him away from football.

In 2011, with a young family and football such a huge commitment, he returned to his secure job with Austrac, a Federal Government department that works to identify and prevent money laundering.

However the game came calling again and Beveridge realised his family missed his involvement in football as much as he did. So he accepted a job with Hawthorn at the end of 2011 as a defensive coach.

This year, his backline charges not only won a flag but took out a Norm Smith Medal (Brian Lake) and the club best and fairest (Josh Gibson) with Ben Stratton fourth in the club count.

"He genuinely cares for his players and they know that and that is a big thing," Fagan said. "I think he understands the grind. I think he understands the challenges."

 

[yebiga]

Know it's only Ammos but his feats with St. Bedes/Mentone prove he can lead.
To win C Grade, B Grade & A Grade in successive years is an amazing feat.
You may point your nose to it but A Grade is only a step below VFL in terms of quality.

Suburban leagues are only a step below VFL quality
It is a great feat
Macca did the same at a tougher league
What is your point?

 

[yebiga]

Thanks for that Dex.

I have highlighted the character assessments of him.

Seems like he (a) cares for the players (b) is a student of the game (c) and is a real competitor

Peter Ryan's article from October 2013.

HAWTHORN football manager Chris Fagan doesn't mind praising Luke Beveridge and Brendon Bolton, assistant coaches in the club's 2013 premiership triumph.

Both are great examples of what happens when opportunity meets persistence, and another reminder that you don't need a big name to become a big-time coach.

As a player with three clubs in 11 seasons at AFL level, Beveridge signed 11 one-year contracts.

As a young coach, he became the first person in VAFA history to coach a team from C-Grade to A-Grade premiership in three seasons, when he took St Bede's Mentone on an unprecedented path of success between 2006 and 2008.

As a development coach at Collingwood he was involved in 2009 and 2010 when the club reached a preliminary final before winning a premiership. After one year working in 'the real world' he came to Hawthorn in 2012, to be part of a coaching staff that has since been to consecutive Grand Finals and won one premiership.

It's a resume that any prospective senior coach would like to bring to the table.

"His enthusiasm is outstanding. He is a deep thinker on the game so he offers a lot up at match committee, not just with the defensive group he looks after," Fagan told AFL.com.au.

"What I really love about him is he is strong on his opinions. He doesn't always offer up what the group-think is. He sometimes thinks in an alternative manner and that is good for the group."

The little-known part of the Beveridge tale is that he stared down the barrel of defeat in his first Grand Final as a playing coach, moving himself into defence as his team trailed Ajax by 48 points midway through the second quarter of the 2006 VAFA C-Grade Grand Final played at Trevor Barker Oval.

With two minutes left and the sun's spark dimming as the game heated up, Paul Groves kicked a goal to put St Bede’s in front. It won the high scoring game by one point: 21.12 (138) to Ajax 21.11 (137).

St Bede's Mentone took that form into B-Grade in 2007 and were hot all year under Beveridge, defeating University Blacks by 38 points in the Grand Final.

Suddenly the team was in the unfamiliar territory of A-Grade.

No one has a bad word to say about Beveridge and the environment he, his assistants (one of whom was Tim Lamb who is now in Melbourne's recruiting department), and senior players created.

Former committee member Blair Hutchinson sums up what many at that club think of Beveridge: "He is a good man and has a good feel for people and was very inclusive."

He is also a competitor.

After finishing the home and away season second on the ladder to Collegians, most expected St Bede's to drop off in the finals. However it won the second semi-final in a shock result, then had the Grand Final as good as won at half-time.

It was a fine effort with half a dozen players playing in all three flags.

"He is a wonderful teacher of people," former club president Matt Beasley said. "He does not discriminate against anyone. In his mind the least skilled player is as important to his team structure as the talented match winners are."

The club remains in A-Grade, losing the 2013 Grand Final to Old Xaverians, testament to the legacy Beveridge left.

A strong sense of perspective has stood Beveridge in good stead but it also nearly took him away from football.

In 2011, with a young family and football such a huge commitment, he returned to his secure job with Austrac, a Federal Government department that works to identify and prevent money laundering.

However the game came calling again and Beveridge realised his family missed his involvement in football as much as he did. So he accepted a job with Hawthorn at the end of 2011 as a defensive coach.

This year, his backline charges not only won a flag but took out a Norm Smith Medal (Brian Lake) and the club best and fairest (Josh Gibson) with Ben Stratton fourth in the club count.

"He genuinely cares for his players and they know that and that is a big thing," Fagan said. "I think he understands the grind. I think he understands the challenges."

Yes it has been linked twice

 

[yebiga]

Or another Alastair Clarkson or Ken Hinkley

Good luck with that

 

[yebiga]

His CV is basically 'excellence'
He took over our development in 2009.
Jagged a premiership in 2010.
He then went back to his ATO job in 2011.
Then he returned to Hawthorn in 2012 to become an assistant and a development coach.
Every year he has been involved with the AFL, his team has at least reached a GF.

His an ex federal government auditor by profession and quite a few years - there are long term effects from that experience - credit to him for leaving

He will have a good eye for detail
He is likely to be boring as bat shit - a prerequisite for an auditor and its drilled into them
Have any of you ever met one? Worked with one?

He is likely to make Brendan mcCartneys personality appear in contrast flamboyant
I can't imagine he has the slightest chance in hell of engaging with our young talent or our supporter base
An Auditor!!!
Come on down Mark Neeld

Is anyone interviewing the cleaner down at Hawthorn?

 

[SugarCoat]

My take is the final 3 would have been Montgomery, Sumich & Beveridge.
If I was a betting man, I'd be betting on Beveridge.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Do you even believe Willia s would have no interest - its crap
Bomber sure, the Macca factor and his attachment to Essendon I could believe
But Williams I don't buy - he would be champing at the bit more than any one else to coach again
It s a question of the terms , he won't be treated for a fool like Macca was and Beveridge will be whether he is up to it or not

Whoa, whoa, cool your jets.

Who gives a stuff about the odds or a betting market being closed? Rumours are just that and most of them turn out to be horses***.

The only time we will know our next coach will be when he walks out and sits down for his first press conference. Until then, don't take anything as fact.