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Solved Gable Tostee - Tinder death

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Aware said:
Not sure who you are referring to, but I said "The accused clearly didnt feel comfortable witht Warriena, and started recording to protect himself." I didnt mean it protected him in court , but the recording does shed light on many things that in their absence, would prejuduce the accused much more.

You are right, serving of alcohol does have some culpability attached to it, however that can be nullified if the server is defending himself from attack or a life threatening situation. Under common law your first right is to protect yourself. Just what level of culpability Tostee will have is too difficult to gauge. We dont have enough details atm to make a guess.
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I've noticed the part about the accused started recording has been edited out.
 
Sometimes I wish bookmakers would offer odds on the outcomes of court cases(if this was possible to do without corrupting judges, jurors, and prosecutors which seems impossible).
 
interesting concept - if you were framing a market around what you know of this case, what would your odds be?

on a murder charge i would have something like:

not guilty: $1.10
guilty: $4.90

(it is obv a +100% market if i'm running it :cool:)
 
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checkraiseulite said:
interesting concept - if you were framing a market around what you know of this case, what would your odds be?
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If there was a simple YES vs NO bet for whether he would be convicted of murder in this instance I would accept pretty low odds on the NO option. Can an individual in another country legally lay this on betfair? Would be happy to put $4.00 odds for YES for a bet up to $250 on that question but you would have to be fairly silly to take it. The media hype around it might tempt someone out there like ausgirl though.
 

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Agreed. It just seems to amaze me how the media can shape the views on people.
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Lmao, SO WHAT if I full-on reckon he dunnit? It's just my opinion --- albeit based NOT just on media reports, but on listening to him, reading his posting history re his mental and emotional problems, general misogyny, criminal and creepy behaviours, etc.

It's my OPINION that he is culpable in this death. AFAIK, we're all allowed to have opinions, right? Well, that is mine.

I can understand how some might not like it. But.. tough shit, really.
 
BORK said:
I am guessing there is no problem with speculating his guilt online but someone wanting to suggest he may be innocent and stating other factors on a forum is news worthy?
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More to the point the thread has been spammed by flogs from both sides of the argument to point score much like the Madeline McCann thread. I don't think either ausgirl or aware are exactly presenting impartial points of view and all they are doing is stinking up the thread with he said she said bullshit
 
Jade's_ said:
More to the point the thread has been spammed by flogs from both sides of the argument to point score much like the Madeline McCann thread. I don't think either ausgirl or aware are exactly presenting impartial points of view and all they are doing is stinking up the thread with he said she said bullshit
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I wonder what all those crows fans from the McCann thread are up to.
 
floodbuster said:
Interesting in the article they said Aware mentioned her height yet that wasn't public knowledge, I wonder if we will hear from "Aware" anymore and if he does will people start referring to him as Gable.
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Article says "not widely reported" not "not public knowledge"
 
Aware said:
Have you made even one intelligent comment here? If so point me to it, because I can't see it.
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It's about time people on the misc made a pact to stop killing people. Elliot Rodger, gable toastee the list goes on
 
Aware said:
You seem to be the only one who has cottoned on. Have you noticed the "journalists" , and I use that term loosely, who put their names to the news articles, are usually female? I'm sure they are quite adept at adding colourful adjectives to sexy up the articles. For eg, why say left, or curious, when you could substitute "fled", and "uncomfortable"?

It is not truly amazing, that those few people whom publicly dare to au contrair-ily opine they may just not be empathetic to the smear campaign run by the media, are worthy of being singled out in a news article? Is this further evidence of the media attempting to control public perception? Let's not just vilify the accused , how about any "supporters"? How dare I go against the grain! First lesson of boganix101 failed! George Orwell must be shifting uncomfortably in his grave.

I have never stated he is innocent either, but suggested that I believe, on balance, the possibility exists.

Das it mane.


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"Frankly, I don't give a damn" is quite an apt quote here.
How many dates whether they be Tinder, Oasis, one night stand pickups or whatever end up in someones death?

Here we have a guy who picks up girls, liquor's them up to make them "easy" and then if that backfires and they get out of control drunk then locks them out on the balcony of his high rise apartment, hmmm I'd say that's a recipe for disaster. Quite an apt quote indeed.
 

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Aware said:
You're off the mark. she was possibly on meth, and so had elevated strength levels. He said on the transcript he was amazed at how strong he was. Size diffrence didnt stop her beating him up - he was covered in scratches as verified by forensic examination.

Chinese martial artists who only weight 60 kgs can frighten the pants off much bigger men. they know how to hit, and hard. Apparently she did Muay Thai . But size is not the only factor.
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Dear Aware,
Like you, I am also one of numerous others who have followed the case closely. I have been on most the online forums and read the posts, striving to maintain an objective mind. I think you will find that there are many out there who are not swayed by the Media and would really like to reserve judgement till the case goes to Court. http://sociallitigator.com/2014/09/...gable-tostee-media-coverage-crossed-the-line/

The accused has a right to a fair trial, it is best to not to interfere by making statements such as the above which I have bolded. They serve no purpose aside from making the accused looked upon in a more unfavourable light because let's face it, there are a lot of people out there who are thinking that you (Aware) are highly likely to be the accused or a close friend of the accused, as reported in the CourierMail article which hit the news two days ago. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...173028602?nk=c6e3e2b63f4f0fa64b6ed498d930d6fc

There is truly no need to denigrate the victim Warriena Wright. By all means, continue to fight for Gable Tostee as much as you want to but try and be aware of the fact that her family has already been subjected to enough pain as one can only imagine as they face the New Year with unbearable sadness (refer last couple of paragraphs in this NZ Herald article published yesterday). http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11381655

PS. I for one think that it is so sad the Media would even report on the fact that the accused has changed his Facebook Profile pic. At the end of the day, is that really newsworthy? It just shows that the accused has been keeping a somewhat low profile if anything if that is all that the Media can find to "report" on.
 
It seems as though in general the following board/forum rule is being widely ignored

As a general guide, whilst a matter is before the courts, please consider avoiding any posts that include:
  • Commentary on the guilt or the innocence of the accused

Continue withe the behavior and you will be thread banned.. Keep posts leveled at you own "opinion" without reverting to case details that are unreported and currently before the courts.

Also, as a courtesy - do not attack the opinion of others who dont agree with your own view/opinion. These are just that.
 
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Equally, do not play the man. Address the post not the poster.
 
checkraiseulite said:
interesting concept - if you were framing a market around what you know of this case, what would your odds be?

on a murder charge i would have something like:

not guilty: $1.10
guilty: $4.90

(it is obv a +100% market if i'm running it :cool:)
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They have Fantasy Supreme Court leagues in the USA and a verdict prediction software with 75% accuracy from memory
 
MightyVerity said:
The accused has a right to a fair trial, it is best to not to interfere by making statements such as the above which I have bolded. They serve no purpose aside from making the accused looked upon in a more unfavourable light
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I'm not the accused. You dont get to censor me either, I'll leave that up to the Admin here.

And "unfavourable light"? I don't think the deceased's family has much to complain about insofar as media portrayal goes, since the media have overwhelmingly painted Ms Wright as a saint complete with animal photos to ram the message home, whilst at the same time painting the accused as a despicable villian with sneering photos lifted from his Facebook pages.When i see campaigns like this, my ears prick up.

If the accused is acquitted, then he too is rightly a victim, not the least of which is that he may have been falsely incarcerated for 3+ months in prison. You are actually denigrating the accused by pre supposing the deceased is the only possible victim of this incident.

MightyVerity said:
be aware of the fact that her family has already been subjected to enough pain as one can only imagine as they face the New Year with unbearable sadness.
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You don't think this has affected the accused's family either? There have been a raft of news articles mostly written by misandrist female reporters that would no doubt be causing the accused's family a lot of distress. But that wouldn't interest you , would it, because you're pro victim too right now, convinced by the media hatchet job?

Some website members have gone to the extent of denigrating non complicit friends and relatives of the accused in their online discussion of this matter, and those members claim to know the deceased's family. So I don't need to be told about comments causing distress to the involved families, bro.

Did the accused get a fair go in jail when he got bashed? No, everyone's made up their mind on the inside too.

MightyVerity said:
PS. I for one think that it is so sad the Media would even report on the fact that the accused has changed his Facebook Profile pic. At the end of the day, is that really newsworthy? It just shows that the accused has been keeping a somewhat low profile if anything if that is all that the Media can find to "report" on.
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Agreed. Media is sad these days. I would rather not be discussing this matter at all, its just that a certain individual made some salacious lies in a post back in October, and that post has now thankfully been removed. I'll leave it there, unless I see any more of that type of slander.
 
Aware said:
I'm not the accused. You dont get to censor me either, I'll leave that up to the Admin here.

And "unfavourable light"? I don't think the deceased's family has much to complain about insofar as media portrayal goes, since the media have overwhelmingly painted Ms Wright as a saint complete with animal photos to ram the message home, whilst at the same time painting the accused as a despicable villian with sneering photos lifted from his Facebook pages.When i see campaigns like this, my ears prick up.

If the accused is acquitted, then he too is rightly a victim, not the least of which is that he may have been falsely incarcerated for 3+ months in prison. You are actually denigrating the accused by pre supposing the deceased is the only possible victim of this incident.

You don't think this has affected the accused's family either? There have been a raft of news articles mostly written by misandrist female reporters that would no doubt be causing the accused's family a lot of distress. But that wouldn't interest you , would it, because you're pro victim too right now, convinced by the media hatchet job?

Some website members have gone to the extent of denigrating non complicit friends and relatives of the accused in their online discussion of this matter, and those members claim to know the deceased's family. So I don't need to be told about comments causing distress to the involved families, bro.

Did the accused get a fair go in jail when he got bashed? No, everyone's made up their mind on the inside too.


Agreed. Media is sad these days. I would rather not be discussing this matter at all, its just that a certain individual made some salacious lies in a post back in October, and that post has now thankfully been removed. I'll leave it there, unless I see any more of that type of slander.
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I have read all your points and alongside that, I have also taken on board the two earlier posts by the BF moderator and Administrator. I guess what I will say now is that first of all, I concede to the fact that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions in a forum such as this and in hindsight, I can see that it was my bad to try and tell another poster what they should and should not write. Having said that, I would like to point out also that contrary to what you think my thoughts are on the accused's family, I do fully emphatise with them and know that this past few months must have be equally taxing emotionally and draining on them. You write of your opinion that I am "pro victim and convinced by the media hatchet job", and that is entirely your opinion to own. However, I disagree with your opinion and I will let you know that I am one of those in the population that would like to reserve judgement till everything comes out to light in the trial. Like most people who have come to know of this case, I do feel strongly about the horrible way that Warriena died and I wish that whatever the outcome of the trial, there would be a way forward that will bring quick closure to all concerned. That includes Tostee himself, both his and Warriena's families and loved ones.
 

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In another twist, an internet user with intimate knowledge of the case has taken to online forums to defend the accused killer.

The same person appears to be behind profiles on several different sites – all created in December – challenging anyone who claims Tostee is responsible for the death of New Zealand tourist Warriena Wright.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-pic-with-alpaca/story-fnn8dlfs-1227173028602



ACCUSED balcony killer Gable Tostee has split from high-profile defence lawyer Terry O’Gorman only days before he faces court charged with the murder of a New Zealand tourist.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...e-start-of-trial/story-fnj90t7b-1227175266511
 
ausgirl said:
In another twist, an internet user with intimate knowledge of the case has taken to online forums to defend the accused killer.

The same person appears to be behind profiles on several different sites – all created in December – challenging anyone who claims Tostee is responsible for the death of New Zealand tourist Warriena Wright.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-pic-with-alpaca/story-fnn8dlfs-1227173028602



ACCUSED balcony killer Gable Tostee has split from high-profile defence lawyer Terry O’Gorman only days before he faces court charged with the murder of a New Zealand tourist.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...e-start-of-trial/story-fnj90t7b-1227175266511
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Tread carefully.. Any user based discussion or insinuation will result in the appropriate action.
 
GCultraman said:
It would "appear" some bloke waltzed into someone else's home and stabbed two people to death.

That is murder.

Not "murder", obviously, once the formalities are completed.
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And what exactly does that have to do with this thread?
 
Folks please refrain from posting off topic events and derailing the thread.
 

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