News Dons ASADA scandal (Latest: Pg 101 - CAS verdict. Guilty, 12 months.)

[Robroy22]

Heard Peter Gordon (WB President and Lawyer) on Jon Faine's (ex Lawyer) radio show this morning and both these legal heads said it would never have ended up any other way. Gordon said he'd warned ASADA last year that their case, based on circumstantial evidence would never convict the players and he was sure that any appeal that ASADA might make in the future would only bring more humiliation upon the organisation. He basically said: we all know the Bombers injected their players with something, we all know the administration was derelict in it's responsibility towards it's players but the case against the players was never based on physical/ provable evidence. Neither Gordon (who represented Stewart Crameri in the case) nor Faine would comment specifically on James Hird and his continued involvement in the AFL.

Once again "Teflon" escapes the responsibility for his actions.

 

[popin]

Legal action an option for Essendon players, says agent Peter Jess
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rs-says-agent-peter-jess-20150331-1mc187.html

He said Lovett-Murray was injected 20 times on one day and "we still don't know what that substance was despite the case of thymosin beta 4 falling apart".

 

[TradeDraft]

Heard Peter Gordon (WB President and Lawyer) on Jon Faine's (ex Lawyer) radio show this morning and both these legal heads said it would never have ended up any other way. Gordon said he'd warned ASADA last year that their case, based on circumstantial evidence would never convict the players and he was sure that any appeal that ASADA might make in the future would only bring more humiliation upon the organisation. He basically said: we all know the Bombers injected their players with something, we all know the administration was derelict in it's responsibility towards it's players but the case against the players was never based on physical/ provable evidence. Neither Gordon (who represented Stewart Crameri in the case) nor Faine would comment specifically on James Hird and his continued involvement in the AFL.

Once again "Teflon" escapes the responsibility for his actions.

Well - I guess without Denk and co. It would be very hard to 100% Say what was Injected. You can be 99% Sure but that most likely won’t hole up on a Appeal sadly.

Also how does Hird still keep his Job?

 

[Bard]

Not at all, the word "AFL" was in the name but the tribunal was independent. If you believe the AFL is basically the mafia and corrupted ex County Court judges then good for you, I'll be here in the real world.

Hey hey hey it's possible!

 

[jmac70]

Also how does Hird still keep his Job?

Ask this guy...

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Without any big new evidence being produced they will remain not guilty

ASADA's case completely fell apart

Only if either ASADA or WADA appeal the findings. Given that there were no positive tests and no records kept that would appear unlikely. It seems they got away with it.

Wow.

Well I was already pretty done with the AFL anyway but what an absolute farce.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

Dank wants to sue ASADA and McDevitt for defamation...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...asada-and-its-ceo-report-20150402-1mdmhv.html

LOL

The defence to defamation is that the fact (supposedly defaming) is true. I would have thought the lack of records was pretty nailed on truth. Will go nowhere or this gets really interesting.

 

[TradeDraft]

Dank wants to sue ASADA and McDevitt for defamation...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...asada-and-its-ceo-report-20150402-1mdmhv.html

LOL

The defence to defamation is that the fact (supposedly defaming) is true. I would have thought the lack of records was pretty nailed on truth. Will go nowhere or this gets really interesting.

Dank just keeps looking more and more a Sleaze Bag.

He gave no Information(Which he Should) in the Investigation and he has the Balls to Sue

 

[Old Spice]

Legal action an option for Essendon players, says agent Peter Jess
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rs-says-agent-peter-jess-20150331-1mc187.html

He said Lovett-Murray was injected 20 times on one day and "we still don't know what that substance was despite the case of thymosin beta 4 falling apart".

Don't think much of Peter Jess as an agent but if anyone was to follow it up it would be him. That said, just because he'd be the man to do so doesn't mean the action itself would be wrong.

When you get off on the basis that you don't know what the f*ck you gave people 20 times you open yourself to court cases rather than tribunals. My guess is Essendon supporters will be contributing toward a massive slush fund for out-of-court settlements.

 

[ipswichpies]

Tuesday events show how badly the AFL is run absolutely bloody disgracefully probably the dodgiest administrators running any sport anywhere in the world.

I thought it may change when "Fat Andy" went but obviously nothing has changed.

 

[TradeDraft]

Tuesday events show how badly the AFL is run absolutely bloody disgracefully probably the dodgiest administrators running any sport anywhere in the world.

I thought it may change when "Fat Andy" went but obviously nothing has changed.

Well Andy D giving the Heads Up to Essendon when he was in Charge so they get rid of the Evidence.

Gillan looks weak as piss at the moment

 

[ipswichpies]

Well Andy D giving the Heads Up to Essendon when he was in Charge so they get rid of the Evidence.

Gillan looks weak as piss at the moment

The whole lot look dodgy TD,there should be an inquiry into the whole stinking mess,I was just amazed that they have got off with it it just reeks mate.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

I've heard some say that ASADA is at fault for the way it conducted its investigations against Essendon and sure it might be true to an extent that ASADA may be at fault for not proving the case against Essendon but how they were going to do that considering:

1). No Essendon players had tested 'positive' to a banned substance in the 2012 season.

2). Essendon never retained important records of the supplement intake of the 34 relevant players on their list in 2012 so therefore no one could ascertain what they actually used even though circumstantial evidence suggests that they used some prohibited substances with the most notable being Thymosin beta-4 and potentially AOD-9604 as Jobe Watson revealed however I'm still unsure of what the legality of that substance was in 2012. I've had different answers to that question in the past two years and I still remain uncertain on it.

3). Essendon's insistence to hinder and undermine the investigation at every turn, with the case against ASADA for acting unlawfully in its investigative powers with the Federal Court case against them from Essendon being the most notable example of this.

4). Stephen Dank, Shane Charter and Nima Alavi's unwillingness to cooperate during the two-year investigation and to provide important evidence and statements about what occurred in 2012. These three individuals are the key to understanding to this whole investigation. The fact that they didn't cooperate resulted in the case collapsing in the end for ASADA.

Essendon may have been found 'not guilty' on the basis of 'insufficient evidence' but let's not kid ourselves here that they're innocent and therefore any further scrutiny towards them should stop! The media can spin it all they like but the supplements regime in 2012 was an absolute disgrace to the game and sport in general and every other footballing club or sporting organisation should look on in shock and horror and strive to never go down that path in the future after what we saw at Essendon.

Stephen Dank's decision to sue ASADA and its CEO for defamation is ludicrous!

 

[vjknight]

I will say it again.

The tribunal found TA was not part of the supplements.

The players signed consents for Thymosin.

TB4 was imported, compounded, delivered, paid for.

The tribunal wasn't satisfied TB4 was used.

I CALL BULLSHIT

 

[76woodenspooners]

WTF?

Did the AFL, ASADA or whovever just waste three years of our time taxpayers money inconveniencing players for no ******* reason?

EFA

 

[76woodenspooners]

Things learned from this saga: if you are going to cheat, shred your records.

Things learnt by ASADA from this saga: do what every other friggen regulator on the planet does and treat incorrect record keeping as a major non-compliance

 

[76woodenspooners]

I will say it again.

The tribunal found TA was not part of the supplements.

The players signed consents for Thymosin.

TB4 was imported, compounded, delivered, paid for.

The tribunal wasn't satisfied TB4 was used.

I CALL BULLSHIT

Who do you blame for that?

(A) AFL commission engineering a favourable outcome

(B) ASADA's legal team being a bunch of incompetent baboons

(C) someone else?

 

[Pedro]

Dank wants to sue ASADA and McDevitt for defamation...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...asada-and-its-ceo-report-20150402-1mdmhv.html

LOL

The defence to defamation is that the fact (supposedly defaming) is true. I would have thought the lack of records was pretty nailed on truth. Will go nowhere or this gets really interesting.

Dank won't sue. He's full of piss and wind. If he sues he'll be forced to get in the box and I don't think thats something he'll ever want to do

 

[vjknight]

Who do you blame for that?

(A) AFL commission engineering a favourable outcome

(B) ASADA's legal team being a bunch of incompetent baboons

(C) someone else?

The tribunal for unknown reasons gave less weight to that aspect.

CAS will see it differently.

 

[76woodenspooners]

The tribunal for unknown reasons gave less weight to that aspect.

CAS will see it differently.

How confident are you that ASADA will appeal?

 

[vjknight]

How confident are you that ASADA will appeal?

Mcdevitts language so far says yes.



But nothing is predictable when politics tries to get involved.

 

[Thrawn]

The problem with the tribunal was that they set the burden of proof too high. It almost felt like beyond reasonable doubt. They were too sympathetic to the players and gave them the benefit of the doubt. And they did that because it was convenient to their employers who didn't want to lose money by crowd drops and potential legal action from the players.

 

[vjknight]

The problem with the tribunal was that they set the burden of proof too high. It almost felt like beyond reasonable doubt. They were too sympathetic to the players and gave them the benefit of the doubt. And they did that because it was convenient to their employers who didn't want to lose money by crowd drops and potential legal action from the players.

What he said

 

[76woodenspooners]

What he said

Did the report get released?

Last I heard the AFL wanted to make it public but are waiting on permission from the players.

 

[vjknight]

Did the report get released?

Last I heard the AFL wanted to make it public but are waiting on permission from the players.

Not officially.