No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[cymarak]

If confidentiality is kept you don't find out if someone gets banned if they don't want you too..

Isn't ASADA required to publish a list of players sanctioned ?

http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/sanctions.html

 

[BrunoV]

Most thought Dank was a laydown misere to just cop the biggest whack the tribunal cared to hand down - particularly with him not appearing to contest his charges - but now I'm really starting to wonder whether the tribunal is going to be able to pin much, if anything on him?

The evidence was always supposed to be hazy all round.

It is very strange that the Tribunal is reserving judgment so long on this issue. There are three of four conspiracies all of which make more sense than the idea that Jones is still writing the judgment.

 

[BrunoV]

*cough* Nathan Bock *cough*

You got some respiratory problems baz? Here bend over, I will put some of this thymomodulin up your arse (seeing as injecting it is not on).



Edit: on second thought, you can put it up your own arse!

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

AFL spokesman Patrick Keane told Fairfax on Wednesday night that the league had received no indication from the anti-doping tribunal as to when it would announce its finding, and reasoning, about Dank.

"The AFL has not been advised at this time of any publication date by the anti-doping tribunal of its decision regarding the Essendon support person," Keane said.

"The anti-doping tribunal will take as much time as it needs."

Looks like the power has shifted and McDoesn't have a case isn't too happy. Previously while the sporting world waited on his every move he was parading about the places ensuring all and sundry knew who was in charge and that he'd be doing things his way in his own time. The AFL and EFC were pushing for a speedier process, but no one dictates terms to Benny. Just ask him.

Now time is of the essence, his job situation is terminal, ASADA credibility is shot to pieces and he expects those he shafted to throw him a bone?

 

[TheFrenchCut]

Tomorrow.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Tomorrow.

Friday.

Is the Dank finding coming down tomorrow? Got a source??

 

[Dan Cooper]

Richard Ings @ringsau · 2h2 hours ago
ASADA don't "need" the AFL Tribunal decision on SD to decide on an appeal. ASADA can always lodge an appeal and withdraw later if need be.

 

[efcboy]

It's all the same evidence. All the same arguments.

The cases would have been considered concurrently.

It is very strange.

The Gold Coast and Melbourne FC involvements are different

 

[efcboy]

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 2h2 hours ago
As forecast, the AFL missed the 1 Jan deadline to implement the 2015 WADAC so a Feb positive is stuck in '14 rules

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 2h2 hours ago
@terencephilip1 ASADA has the function to ensure sports have WADA Code compliant rules If sports don't ASADA report a breach. To the ASC


So the 'Collingwood 2' are facing a max of 2 years, not 4, had a bit of a win there & if indeed it was laced cocaine & they copped to that, I would assume there would be a discount.

& it looks like the AFL are in breach of their agreement with WADA...'poor governance' anyone?...

I don't see any discount being applied for taking an illegal drug such as cocaine.

 

[efcboy]

What was the washup with Bock? I remember he was said to be under investigation by ASADA years ago, but how far did that go?

He retired so is no longer an afl employee

 

[Doss]

He retired so is no longer an afl employee

So had about half of the 34, though.

 

[scottmclaren]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/as-cloc...ial-dank-finding-20150415-1mlths.html?stb=twt

6 days before ASADA's appeal window expires, Fairfax Media has confirmed that boss Ben McDevitt was assured he would have by now has not been provided by the AFL's anti-doping tribunal.

The information concerns former Essendon employee Stephen Dank and – crucially – whether the AFL anti-doping tribunal has found the sports scientist guilty of any of the more than 30 anti-doping rule violations he is alleged to have committed while working for AFL clubs Essendon and Gold Coast.

Just like the players were assured they had no fault and nothing to worry about. What a campaigner

 

[Dan Cooper]

Tomorrow.

So what's tomorrow other than Friday?

 

[scottmclaren]

He retired so is no longer an afl employee

Could he have accepted a ban with the condition of strict confidentiality ? Essentially forced retirement but no one can speak of it.

 

[efcboy]

So had about half of the 34, though.

McVeigh is coaching at GWS so is under AFL.

Majority delisted are still playing professional football elsewhere.

Prismall is involved at Western Bulldogs.

Bock to the best of my knowledge is not playing or coaching professionally.

 

[daffo]

Again, I don't see how the Dank decision makes much of a different in the appeal. I would assume if they were to be successful in an appeal they would need to prove TB4 was on site.

Are they going to use 'Dank lost the records which is why he got kicked out of the AFL which proves TB4 was there' line?

 

[Doss]

Yeah, but ASADA don't particularly give a stuff whether someone is still playing or not. If they can get a head on a pike, even if it's entirely useless because they're not playing anymore, they'd still go for it, you'd think.

And then dress it up as them being not allowed to make a return if desired, because of suspension.

 

[efcboy]

Yeah, but ASADA don't particularly give a stuff whether someone is still playing or not. If they can get a head on a pike, even if it's entirely useless because they're not playing anymore, they'd still go for it, you'd think.

And then dress it up as them being not allowed to make a return if desired, because of suspension.

But the AFL do...I'm not sure McDevitt and ASADA are calling the shots...so far McDevitt is 0-1 on cases at tribunal.

 

[scottmclaren]

I don't see any discount being applied for taking an illegal drug such as cocaine.

Under the 2015 WADAC code intention carries the 4 year penalty. The cocaine defence, if proven could remove intent.

Apparently 50% discounts are available if you cooperate, but I think this requires you to accept guilt.

In a team sport with list management, a 1 year suspension now essentially means you cannot play a game until 2017, which is why WADA code doesn't fit. It should be match / game count suspension

 

[rumply]

I don't see any discount being applied for taking an illegal drug such as cocaine.

Coke is only a WADA issue if testing pos on game day, so if that is what has happened they could argue there was no intention to cheat.

edit - what scottmclaren said

 

[scottmclaren]

Personally, I think the Collingwood pair should miss 12 months of footy, where as ASADA will be pushing for bans that will end their careers. Not even Olympic athletes face career ending bans for similar mistake at such a young age.

I'm also interested to see if Eddie follows through and delists immediately, or tries to hold onto them in the hope of trading for late pick if suspension is reasonable.

 

[flintandtas]

Coke is only a WADA issue if testing pos on game day, so if that is what has happened they could argue there was no intention to cheat.

edit - what scottmclaren said

From below article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-year-drugs-bans/story-fni5f6hd-1227305369940

Under the new code, a clause relating to contaminated products could see players receive only a reprimand if it is found they bore no significant fault or negligence in taking the substance.

The players would need to identify the source of contamination.

An example would be if a player had taken a nutritional supplement which did not identify the banned substance as an ingredient.

The clause could possibly also be applied to contaminated food.

Representatives for the players had investigated whether a contaminated steak had caused their positive tests, but that line of inquiry is unlikely to be pursued.

That clause relating to contamination could not be applied to a situation where an illicit drug was “cut” with a banned substance but knowingly ingested by an athlete.

It also mentions Friday as being a possible date the B sample is returned. (lol)
Maybe that is what the mysterious Friday a few posts up is about.

 

[Pweter]

I do recall the discussion on 1st/2nd April about what do we do with our time now, and good ol' 2048 was brought up. As per my response at the time, this is about as far as I can get. I'd love to see know if anyone has reached 8192.

 

[Dan Cooper]

It also mentions Friday as being a possible date the B sample is returned. (lol)
Maybe that is what the mysterious Friday a few posts up is about.

Today I might be mad
Tomorrow I'll be glad
Cause I've got Friday on my mind...

 

[Harlequin]

Today I might be mad
Tomorrow I'll be glad
Cause I've got Friday on my mind...

Fishbowl Friday to be exact