List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2015

[Old Spice]

im doctor creep

 

[TW Sherrin]

So The Brown Dog and Dlanod from Brisbane are two of the 4 mods on the Treloar thread? Chris25 hangs out in the draft thread, we know that. Jab is a mystery.

That is very good.

I've seen a disgraceful comment on the treloar thread not even warrant a thread ban yet on other threads call someone a flog cand you get a holiday.

 

[swoop42]

They Offer there next 2 years 1st Rounders and we won’t’ do that

We might and I wouldn't have a major problem with it if it came to that.

It is considered that had Treloar been available in an open draft he would have went at pick 1 or 2.

I'm convinced if he had that small number attached to his name then the enthusiasm for attaining with him would be greater such is human nature.

While Treloar mightn't be quite in the same league as Judd he'll be 18 months younger next year than Judd (2 years younger than Beams) was when he landed at Carlton and if you consider what was given up for him then the scenario above of our 2015 & 2016 1st round selections isn't quite so outrageous a proposal.

Currently we have pick 7 in this seasons AFL draft. Beat Essendon as expected and that could rise still. Any compensation selections awarded and it could yet end up at pick 9 or 10.

Either way pick 3 for Judd or pick 5 for Beams trumps that.

Now we look to the player involved in the trade deal Josh Kennedy, a No. 4 key forward selection just two years earlier.

We most likely wont be giving up a player in any trade deal for Treloar should two first round selections be involved but if we did you can be sure it wont be Darcy Moore the closest comparison to Kennedy on our list as a highly talented top 10 key forward prospect.

Brisbane gave up Crisp as part of the trade deal for Beams who has exceeded expectations and is currently looking like a 150+ gamer for the pies.

Advantage us once again.

Finally, pick 20 for Judd and pick 25 for Beams are obviously not a first round selection but if you believe like I do we'll make finals next season that pick will end up outside the top 10.

Next years draft is considered a midfielders draft by all accounts anyway so giving away our 2016 first round selection now for a midfielder who is a proven high level talent at senior level and not just a speculative pick like any new draftee seems a reasonable proposition.

Overall even if we end up having to give away our 2015 and 16 first round selections it will still appear lesser remuneration paid for Judd and Beams IMO so I'd do it.

 

[Ketchup]

We might and I wouldn't have a major problem with it if it came to that.

It is considered that had Treloar been available in an open draft he would have went at pick 1 or 2.

I'm convinced if he had that small number attached to his name then the enthusiasm for attaining with him would be greater such is human nature.

While Treloar mightn't be quite in the same league as Judd he'll be 18 months younger next year than Judd (2 years younger than Beams) was when he landed at Carlton and if you consider what was given up for him then the scenario above of our 2015 & 2016 1st round selections isn't quite so outrageous a proposal.

Currently we have pick 7 in this seasons AFL draft. Beat Essendon as expected and that could rise still. Any compensation selections awarded and it could yet end up at pick 9 or 10.

Either way pick 3 for Judd or pick 5 for Beams trumps that.

Now we look to the player involved in the trade deal Josh Kennedy, a No. 4 key forward selection just two years earlier.

We most likely wont be giving up a player in any trade deal for Treloar should two first round selections be involved but if we did you can be sure it wont be Darcy Moore the closest comparison to Kennedy on our list as a highly talented top 10 key forward prospect.

Brisbane gave up Crisp as part of the trade deal for Beams who has exceeded expectations and is currently looking like a 150+ gamer for the pies.

Advantage us once again.

Finally, pick 20 for Judd and pick 25 for Beams are obviously not a first round selection but if you believe like I do we'll make finals next season that pick will end up outside the top 10.

Next years draft is considered a midfielders draft by all accounts anyway so giving away our 2016 first round selection now for a midfielder who is a proven high level talent at senior level and not just a speculative pick like any new draftee seems a reasonable proposition.

Overall even if we end up having to give away our 2015 and 16 first round selections it will still appear lesser remuneration paid for Judd and Beams IMO so I'd do it.

Although I still am extremely confident that Treloar is going to end up a pie. I would be extremely wary about handing away two first round picks. Yes Treloar is a gun. But that's two years in a row we're not getting the elite talent into the club. Hawthorn currently lack the elite young talent due to trading away multiple first round picks, but they did it on the back of built up success already, something we currently do not have.

IF Scharenberg leaves, and Kennedy leaves to seek other opportunities, Freeman continues to hamstring issues and doesn't come on in two years time, all 3 options are very possible currently we will effectively have 5 less first round draft picks which is something a club is built on.

Im the biggest Treloar fan you'll ever meet, ive publicly stated apart from Wines he is my favorite young mid in the comp and I would do anything to have him at the club. But two first round picks is steep, especially if we have an injury ridden year or the wheels fall off. You can't know for sure what will happen next year, if we miss the finals again and give up two top 10 picks for Treloar we're going to have a huge gap in our list.

What we should be looking at this year is trying to obtain a late first rounder this year and send it to GWS. It's hard because our second will be in use for Aish but if we can do a first round this year plus a pick 18-22 would be perfect, or can somehow get GWS to accept first round this year and second round next year.

You also have to look at future list management, if we trade out next years first round pick as well it's going to be hard to get a Cloke replacement to the club, come the start of 2017 Cloke is going to be 31 and we still won't have another key forward ready for his departure.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Can we get back to the ridiculous rumours.

After all both teams seasons are over so what else is their to do? (If history has taught us nothing else)

So anyway, I know this boxer, the guy who walks him is employed by a very rich influential AFL person.
Well, that rich influential AFL person has the same car wash guy that my Uncle Donga (some may have eaten his smallgoods, I'm looking at you Carlton supporters) & he swears.........................

 

[DaVe86]

I think we should look at trading witts for a pick between 12-20.

Package that with pick 7 and that gets the job done for treloar.

In essence we trade pick 7 + witts for treloar.

Most of us would do that in a heartbeat.

Doggies need a ruck and will have a pick around this mark so thats where id be looking.

Then we need to look at finding a depth ruckman. There are stacks out there.

 

[gtrain23]

Can we get back to the ridiculous rumours.

After all both teams seasons are over so what else is their to do? (If history has taught us nothing else)

So anyway, I know this boxer, the guy who walks him is employed by a very rich influential AFL person.
Well, that rich influential AFL person has the same car wash guy that my Uncle Donga (some may have eaten his smallgoods, I'm looking at you Carlton supporters) & he swears.........................

That cameron cloke is gonna be playing for us next season

 

[Hardas]

I think we should look at trading witts for a pick between 12-20.
Package that with pick 7 and that gets the job done for treloar.
In essence we trade pick 7 + witts for treloar.
Most of us would do that in a heartbeat.
Doggies need a ruck and will have a pick around this mark so thats where id be looking.
Then we need to look at finding a depth ruckman. There are stacks out there.

That would seemingly suit GWS as well, so they can get their academy kids this year.

 

[Ketchup]

I think we should look at trading witts for a pick between 12-20.

Package that with pick 7 and that gets the job done for treloar.

In essence we trade pick 7 + witts for treloar.

Most of us would do that in a heartbeat.

Doggies need a ruck and will have a pick around this mark so thats where id be looking.

Then we need to look at finding a depth ruckman. There are stacks out there.

I think the issue with that is Witts won't attract a pick in the first round I believe. At the end of the day you're still trading for potential. If I was an opposition club that gave away it's first pick for Witts I'd be pretty annoyed.

 

[Scodog10]

I think we should look at trading witts for a pick between 12-20.

Package that with pick 7 and that gets the job done for treloar.

In essence we trade pick 7 + witts for treloar.

Most of us would do that in a heartbeat.

Doggies need a ruck and will have a pick around this mark so thats where id be looking.

Then we need to look at finding a depth ruckman. There are stacks out there.

On the flipside I'd be ropeable if Collingwood were on the way up and then traded a first rounder for a developing ruckman (anyone remember Cam Wood?). If the Bulldogs trade that selection I'd be shocked if it came our way for Witts.

 

[doodles98]

Hard to imagine replacing TD on the list. A bit heretical to even suggest it I would have thought. Like trying to fill the shoes of a McKenna or Daicos or Buckley. But then you never know what kind of talent will emerge from the next generation.

Rubbish! We are all expendable in the name of the greater good. Nobody is bigger than the BF forum! Not even Dave. I say trade him now while he's still got some currency.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

That cameron cloke is gonna be playing for us next season

Not what I've heard. Uncle Donga snags always give you an idea.

So there's no Cloked snag, but he is bringing out the Fevalinkos!!!!!!

 

[joff]

What thread? Trades board? I'm not a mod there. Nom nom nom.

Just get your flea bitten carcass outa here

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

Although I still am extremely confident that Treloar is going to end up a pie. I would be extremely wary about handing away two first round picks. Yes Treloar is a gun. But that's two years in a row we're not getting the elite talent into the club. Hawthorn currently lack the elite young talent due to trading away multiple first round picks, but they did it on the back of built up success already, something we currently do not have.

IF Scharenberg leaves, and Kennedy leaves to seek other opportunities, Freeman continues to hamstring issues and doesn't come on in two years time, all 3 options are very possible currently we will effectively have 5 less first round draft picks which is something a club is built on.

Im the biggest Treloar fan you'll ever meet, ive publicly stated apart from Wines he is my favorite young mid in the comp and I would do anything to have him at the club. But two first round picks is steep, especially if we have an injury ridden year or the wheels fall off. You can't know for sure what will happen next year, if we miss the finals again and give up two top 10 picks for Treloar we're going to have a huge gap in our list.

What we should be looking at this year is trying to obtain a late first rounder this year and send it to GWS. It's hard because our second will be in use for Aish but if we can do a first round this year plus a pick 18-22 would be perfect, or can somehow get GWS to accept first round this year and second round next year.

You also have to look at future list management, if we trade out next years first round pick as well it's going to be hard to get a Cloke replacement to the club, come the start of 2017 Cloke is going to be 31 and we still won't have another key forward ready for his departure.

I think I know what you're saying Ketchup.

The other day on radio they were discussing Geelongs aged list profile and how one of the things that intensified the problem for them was their 2009 draft which was Scott's first draft which was meant to be the next generation coming through. Cristensen, Cowan, Menzel. Two of them have had injury luck from hell and Cristensen had a touch of the Wayne Carey's. You lose those three guys and you've lost your middle tier. It's what you hope and pray doesn't happen with that 2013 group of ours - Scharenberg buggers off and Freeman never sees the light of day. Plus from the year before Kennedy looks like not making it and Broomy has so far been injury prone.

For those reasons I think your point is a valid one. I'd do almost anything to get Trelaor on our list but hope we can avoid that outcome as well.

 

[doodles98]

Not what I've heard. Uncle Donga snags always give you an idea.

So there's no Cloked snag, but he is bringing out the Fevalinkos!!!!!!

Uncle Donga? His sausages and smallgoods? Way to completely weird up the thread Obese!

 

[swoop42]

Although I still am extremely confident that Treloar is going to end up a pie. I would be extremely wary about handing away two first round picks. Yes Treloar is a gun. But that's two years in a row we're not getting the elite talent into the club. Hawthorn currently lack the elite young talent due to trading away multiple first round picks, but they did it on the back of built up success already, something we currently do not have.

IF Scharenberg leaves, and Kennedy leaves to seek other opportunities, Freeman continues to hamstring issues and doesn't come on in two years time, all 3 options are very possible currently we will effectively have 5 less first round draft picks which is something a club is built on.

Im the biggest Treloar fan you'll ever meet, ive publicly stated apart from Wines he is my favorite young mid in the comp and I would do anything to have him at the club. But two first round picks is steep, especially if we have an injury ridden year or the wheels fall off. You can't know for sure what will happen next year, if we miss the finals again and give up two top 10 picks for Treloar we're going to have a huge gap in our list.

What we should be looking at this year is trying to obtain a late first rounder this year and send it to GWS. It's hard because our second will be in use for Aish but if we can do a first round this year plus a pick 18-22 would be perfect, or can somehow get GWS to accept first round this year and second round next year.

You also have to look at future list management, if we trade out next years first round pick as well it's going to be hard to get a Cloke replacement to the club, come the start of 2017 Cloke is going to be 31 and we still won't have another key forward ready for his departure.

We've had massive list turnover these past 3 years and have one of the youngest lists so I think we can afford to give up two first round selections should it occur.

Remember in reality we're only giving up the option of bringing 2 new players to the club in preference for one in Treloar who is a sure bet.

I don't see losing one more "potential" star to someone who already is as a major hiccup for our list

While doubts remain over Scharenberg if he does leave then I'd expect to get a top 15 pick back in return so that right there gets us back into the first round this year or next.

With Freeman it will all come down to how well he recovers from his hamstring issues.

If he doesn't it will be a bust but we aren't at that stage at present.

However with the unexpected departure of Beams we've been able to bring in 3 players who all look to have bright futures at the club so we actually do have cover for Freeman with de Goey and Crisp in particular still very young.

As for Cloke I'd imagine Moore is the natural successor in time, if not with the introduction of F/A and future trading it makes it somewhat easier to prize a mature option away from another club with the money saved from a Cloke retirement or downgrading of his next contract a factor in it.

P.S-Remember also we might bring in Aish a top 10 selection from just two years ago at a discounted cost of a fringe player and this years 2nd round selection.

I'm confident Hine is all over the state of our list and ramifications if any of future trading.

 

[Nicco_jj]

I think the issue with that is Witts won't attract a pick in the first round I believe. At the end of the day you're still trading for potential. If I was an opposition club that gave away it's first pick for Witts I'd be pretty annoyed.

Is it any different to a club drafting an unproven young ruckman? Would much rather pay a pick 12-20 for a young ruckman whose shown that he can be a no. 1 ruck than draft a "maybe" ruckman in the second or third round.

 

[Unknown Identity]

I think the issue with that is Witts won't attract a pick in the first round I believe. At the end of the day you're still trading for potential. If I was an opposition club that gave away it's first pick for Witts I'd be pretty annoyed.

We gave away pick 14 for Wood.
Still gets my goat!

 

[SpongePie]

We gave away pick 14 for Wood.
Still gets my goat!

Considering Harry Taylor and Rance were picks 15 and 16

 

[Hardas]

Considering Harry Taylor and Rance were picks 15 and 16

OUCH!!!

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

OUCH!!!

Yeah don't think any of us needed to hear that.

 

[Pendles!]

No.

How is he not?

 

[CFC2010]

Back on topic guys/gals..........http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ival-club-circle/story-fnp04d70-1227513361492

Treloar & Bennell.......I hope that is the Palmers Punchline suggested I would be very satisfied with during draft period.

Both Guns would make our team very exciting in 2016.

 

[Prochard123]

Back on topic guys/gals..........http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ival-club-circle/story-fnp04d70-1227513361492

Treloar & Bennell.......I hope that is a Palmers Punchline I would be very satisfied with during draft period.

Both Guns would make our team very exciting in 2016.

could you please copy and paste the article? many of us dont have subscription

 

[TomyyBlue]

How is he not?

Nope.