List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2015

[JollyBallsUp]

Howe has kicked 80 goals 65 behinds at 55% accuracy
Fasolo has kicked 80 goals 54 behinds at 60% accuracy

Fasolo is a lot cheaper than Howe.

There is a danger when you look at stats ONLY. They are both different type of players.

 

[Old Spice]

Your first post was this:

If Freeman is asking for 250k+ then adios..

From a base wage in the 60's to 250k+ without playing 1 senior game..?

Get a 2nd round pick and use it in the Treloar deal. Club needs to take a stronger stance on players trying to extort cash out of the club.

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We would effectively be paying him 3.5 times more base wage without playing a single senior game and only a handful of less than impressive VFL outings.


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As the index shows, Freeman's base rate was 93k. The match payments are 5k each.

Obviously he hasn't played but the expectation from the clubs perspective for a #10 pick in his 2nd year would have been maybe 15 games or 75k. So the club would have pencilled in 150-175k.

So while it has turned out he only got his 93k base wage, he would have been earmarked for 150-175k. Therefore the jump up to 250k in his second contract is absolute peanuts.

 

[jmac70]

I wonder if Collingwood will use Scharenberg as a lure?

Perhaps they could dress him up in some naughty night attire.

 

[DaVe86]

I just think a lot of things will depend on the treloar deal.

Whether we need to use our 2nd pick or next years first, whether we trade witts, whether seedsman is traded and we use that pick etc.

Finalising that is the key.

If we trade witts in the deal, then we will probably target kruezer.

If we keep our 2nd round then we probably use it in the trade for aish.

If we keep aish, we are definitely going to keep scharenberg etc.

The spiral effect is huge, and probably where our focus is right now.

I just hope we resolve this trade day 1 or 2 so we can get to other business.

Treloar is obviously target 1. Once this is complete, we know what we have to work with.

I reckon thats why aish is so quiet right now. Just letting it play out

 

[Madagascar]

A Leigh Matthews vs Eddie plea - who would you acquiesce to?

That's a tough one. Lethal Leigh has an aura, the greatest player ever the greatest coach. It wouldn't be easy to say no to him.

 

[Hardas]

Channel 3 reported that Scharenberg has signed for 10 years

I'm inclined to believe the Channel 3 report.

 

[Ant85]

That's a tough one. Lethal Leigh has an aura, the greatest player ever the greatest coach. It wouldn't be easy to say no to him.

Not sure what his aura is still like at BL. His meddling post-coaching hasn't done that club a whole lot of good. Wasn't he the key backer behind Voss as coach?

 

[Ant85]

I just think a lot of things will depend on the treloar deal.

Whether we need to use our 2nd pick or next years first, whether we trade witts, whether seedsman is traded and we use that pick etc.

Finalising that is the key.

If we trade witts in the deal, then we will probably target kruezer.

If we keep our 2nd round then we probably use it in the trade for aish.

If we keep aish, we are definitely going to keep scharenberg etc.

The spiral effect is huge, and probably where our focus is right now.

I just hope we resolve this trade day 1 or 2 so we can get to other business.

Treloar is obviously target 1. Once this is complete, we know what we have to work with.

I reckon thats why aish is so quiet right now. Just letting it play out

Which suggests that we're probably trying to work out a deal with GWS now so we know what we have to work with on other fronts.

I expect we'd want the Treloar deal done in day 1 or 2 of trade week.

 

[Hardas]

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[jmac70]

Which suggests that we're probably trying to work out a deal with GWS now so we know what we have to work with on other fronts.

I expect we'd want the Treloar deal done in day 1 or 2 of trade week.

Why would GWS work on a deal with us now? They will string it out as long as possible during trade week in order to put pressure on us to improve our offer. The negotiation will take place during Trade Week and GWS will try and play hard ball.

 

[Madagascar]

Why would GWS work on a deal with us now? They will string it out as long as possible during trade week in order to put pressure on us to improve our offer. The negotiation will take place during Trade Week and GWS will try and play hard ball.

That'll bode well for the deal involving McCarthy which they have been more unprepared for.

 

[MAGPIE2013]

I'm inclined to believe the Channel 3 report.

It seems channel 3 only runs in sydney

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

seedsman for your 3rd or 4th rounder would be fair

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

 

[TradeDraft]

I just think a lot of things will depend on the treloar deal.

Whether we need to use our 2nd pick or next years first, whether we trade witts, whether seedsman is traded and we use that pick etc.

Finalising that is the key.

If we trade witts in the deal, then we will probably target kruezer.

If we keep our 2nd round then we probably use it in the trade for aish.

If we keep aish, we are definitely going to keep scharenberg etc.

The spiral effect is huge, and probably where our focus is right now.

I just hope we resolve this trade day 1 or 2 so we can get to other business.

Treloar is obviously target 1. Once this is complete, we know what we have to work with.

I reckon thats why aish is so quiet right now. Just letting it play out

So you Think the Treloar Trade be done very early in Trade Period so we can then Move on to Aish?

 

[TradeDraft]

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

That is a bit of Dreaming there mate

 

[Ketchup]

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

I'd give him to you for nothing if I had my way

 

[frizzle]

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

I reckon somewhere between 30 & 50 will be offered in trade week. Supposedly a few teams interested.

 

[Bard]

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

In all honesty I think he'd be a poor fit for Melbourne, you don't need more bruise free players :S

 

[swoop42]

Man I wouldn't be giving up Freeman for a second round pick unless we knew we had Aish all but secured.

Even then why can't we have both?

If Freeman wants to leave and Aish was a no go then it's a straight swap for Acres or GTFO.

Stuff St.Vomit.

 

[jmac70]

Would do this, reckon he's a jet. I'd be stoked if we got it done for our fourth (~65).

Given what you gave us for Lumumba and Dawes I think you would likely part with a much higher pick.

 

[jmac70]

I'd give him to you for nothing if I had my way

That makes no sense.

 

[Old Spice]

Okay, so GWS want Hopper through their academy.

Let's say Hopper attracts a bid in the top 5 (which is where he seems to be rated), GWS then need to come up with 1,502* points to get him. Given GWS currently have pick 8 - which has a point value of 1,551 - they can get him at that pick. However, if Carlton were to get a band 1 compo pick for Kreuzer if we say offered him a biggish contract, suddenly all picks drop a spot and GWS end up with pick 9 which is worth 1,469 which is now not enough to get Hopper. So our 1st pick - whether that remains at 7 or drops to 8 - will be crucial in GWS getting Hopper.

It's certainly within our grasp to effect the draft in terms of it dropping down a cog. If we offered Kreuzer a juicy contract, that would activate band 1 and push GWS out of the frame to nab Hopper with their first round pick. Our 1st pick drops down too but we retain at pick 7 or 8 the points that GWS need to get Hopper. But even if we don't take Kreuzer and the AFL dishes out a compo pick to Brisbane and everyone drops down, the same logic applies. GWS would still need our pick 8 points to get him.

To put it another way, GWS need our pick 7(8) which is why Richmond's nonsense talk about blowing us out of the water with 2 first rounders is a sham. Their pick 12 (13) is not going to help GWS land Hopper. And in this draft it's a bit of a shabby pick anyway.

GWS want our first round for Hopper. If the draft order remains unchanged, all the sweeter for GWS. They can use their pick 8 to nominate for Hopper while using our pick 7 in the draft.

This is why people should stop shitting themselves about being involved in some bidding war with Richmond. Our first and a second round pick is more than enough to get the job done.

* the points required for pick 5 is 1878 but once a 20% discount is applied to academy players the figure becomes 1,502

 

[THATSGOLD]

Perhaps they could dress him up in some naughty night attire.

Save the pillow talk for after hours.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Man I wouldn't be giving up Freeman for a second round pick unless we knew we had Aish all but secured.

Even then why can't we have both?

If Freeman wants to leave and Aish was a no go then it's a straight swap for Acres or GTFO.

Stuff St.Vomit.

Yeah I'm not sure Freeman out and Aish in is a good result unless we have someone with elite foot speed marked in this years draft pool or via trade.

Obviously if we had a crystal ball and knew if Freeman will ever get on the park would be handy.

Elite speed is something we need.

 

[jmac70]

Save the pillow talk for after hours.

I heard that Schazza is a big fan of Starland Vocal Band...