Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[Sweet Jesus]

SOS is the list manager and obviously far better qualified than me.

So you want "fair compensation" but don't know what that is?

That's a new one.

 

[Funk]

but he has quit the club.

Effectively its the same as being out of contract

Yes he has quit the club.

No - not the same at all.

 

[Funk]

So you want "fair compensation" but don't know what that is?

I am not the list manager effwit - that is why CFC employs a SOS.
Clearly there is sweet FA to do today in Hong Kong!!!!

 

[blaisee]

Yes he has quit the club.

No - not the same at all.

well if he is not going back, he has to be traded.

Its not that hard to understand

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I am not the list manager effwit - that is why CFC employs a SOS.

You're not the coach either but presumably you're still able to express a view about the performance of the team and individual players.

 

[Funk]

well if he is not going back, he has to be traded.

It's not that hard to understand that players under contract do not "have" to be traded.

Whereas uncontracted players do or they they go to the PSD.

Why is something so simple so difficult for Richmond supporters to grasp.

 

[KnobHead]

but he has quit the club.

Effectively its the same as being out of contract

Someone under a fixed term contract can't simply "quit" the contract. Both parties can agree that the contract finishes early, but if Carlton decided to play hardball with Yarran they can enforce the contract onto 2016 & their ain't much Yaz can do about it.

That's not to say a deal won't get done - think a deal will get done whatever that deal is, it may be with Richmond or it may be with one of the Adelaide clubs who are also interested, but Yaz doesn't have the same leverage as a player out of contract.

The problem for Carlton is that he doesn't want to play for Carlton, the problem for Yaz is that he's under contract, the problem for Richmond (if they really want Yaz) is there has to be a mutually agreeable trade.

I do find it strange that the Tiges are declaring it will get done without a first rounder likes it's a "done deal," even though Carlton have declared they want a first rounder. Which means, at this stage, it's a matter of who blinks first, which will get murky if other clubs get involved - let's not forget trade week hasn't actually started yet.

 

[blaisee]

Someone under a fixed term contract can't simply "quit" the contract. Both parties can agree that the contract finishes early, but if Carlton decided to play hardball with Yarran they can enforce the contract onto 2016 & their ain't much Yaz can do about it.

That's not to say a deal won't get done - think a deal will get done whatever that deal is, it may be with Richmond or it may be with one of the Adelaide clubs who are also interested, but Yaz doesn't have the same leverage as a player out of contract.

The problem for Carlton is that he doesn't want to play for Carlton, the problem for Yaz is that he's under contract, the problem for Richmond (if they really want Yaz) is there has to be a mutually agreeable trade.

I do find it strange that the Tiges are declaring it will get done without a first rounder likes it's a "done deal," even though Carlton have declared they want a first rounder. Which means, at this stage, it's a matter of who blinks first, which will get murky if other clubs get involved - let's not forget trade week hasn't actually started yet.

Its a matter of value.

Lets just assume that Yazz was fully fit and had the best season of his career, and finished 4th in the best and fairest. What would he be worth then?

 

[KnobHead]

You're not the coach either but presumably you're still able to express a view about the performance of the team and individual players.

He's super quick and sets up goals from half-back with pinpoint kicking, on the negative he's probably a bit lose and doesn't like hardball play. He's cream, not potatoes.

So what's Yaz worth? That's a market question - to Richmond it appears he's a second rounder, to, say Melbourne he might be third because of where they sit on the ladder, to Adelaide or Port Adelaide he may be a first rounder.

Trade week ain't started. So we'll wait and see

 

[KnobHead]

Its a matter of value.

Lets just assume that Yazz was fully fit and had the best season of his career, and finished 4th in the best and fairest. What would he be worth then?

100% agree it's a market question. you're asking what's he worth if he came 4th in the best and fairest - one club that might be one, to another that might be third. Depends on needs, depends on where they sit in the ladder also.

now, no doubt you're next question is "what's he worth on 2015 form" - once again, i don't know - wait till trade week. Clubs will look at his entire career (not just one year), their needs, and evaluate.

 

[My name geoff]

Incorrect.

The buyer determines market value, not the seller.

If I draw a picture and put it on e-bay asking for $1 million, does that mean it's worth $1 million? Just because that's the price I've decided I'm willing to sell it for?

No. The value is determined by the price at which someone is willing to buy it ie. what a buyer is willing to give up in return.

This is actually getting enjoyable..like teaching a child.

We will use a real estate analogy again.

When selling a property, who sets the value of the property? The person coming into the house to buy..or the real estate agent, who has weighed in factors such as perceived value, demand, condition etc

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So what's Yaz worth? That's a market question

Indeed.

To Richmond it appears he's a second rounder, to, say Melbourne he might be third because of where they sit on the ladder, to Adelaide or Port Adelaide he may be a first rounder.

Trade week ain't started. So we'll wait and see

Time will tell.

 

[blaisee]

100% agree it's a market question. you're asking what's he worth if he came 4th in the best and fairest - one club that might be one, to another that might be third. Depends on needs, depends on where they sit in the ladder also.

now, no doubt you're next question is "what's he worth on 2015 form" - once again, i don't know - wait till trade week. Clubs will look at his entire career (not just one year), their needs, and evaluate.

What I am saying is form has to be considered in his value. At his best Yarran is worth a top 15 pick. BUt Yarran spent a lot of time in the VFL for the wooden spooners, this will impact his value, as will the fact that he has quit Carlton, so he has to be worth less than that.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

This is actually getting enjoyable..like teaching a child.

I wouldn't say you're a child. More like a slow-witted teenager being introduced to logic for the first time.

We will use a real estate analogy again.

Because it was so effective the first time around.

When selling a property, who sets the value of the property? The person coming into the house to buy..or the real estate agent, who has weighed in factors such as perceived value, demand, condition etc

No one "sets the value". It's determined by the level of demand.

The owner has an asking price but the market determines what the house is worth.

The owner at that point can make a decision whether to sell or not.

 

[ryza87]

He'd be worth your first rounder - especially with this draft.



Some have pretty short memories.

Gee its going to be good watching him in the yellow and black next year. Yarran and Bennell on opposite wings....mmmmm yep sounds alright.

 

[Taylor]

Let Yarran stay.

Carlton culture will collapse.

 

[My name geoff]

I wouldn't say you're a child. More like a slow-witted teenager being introduced to logic for the first time.

Because it was so effective the first time around.

No one "sets the value".

The owner has an asking price but the market determines what the house is worth.

The owner at that point can make a decision whether to sell or not.

You're missing the point again.

There is no 'asking price' from the seller

Someone is asking to buy.

At this point you get someone to value your asset and this value factors in whether you are a motivated seller or not.

Ergo the original point. Carlton will decide what they want to sell for

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You're missing the point again.

Because you didn't get the answer you wanted from your numbnuts analogy?

There is no 'asking price' from the seller

I imagine Carlton have an asking price. Just as there would be a reserve price for a piece of real estate.

Someone is asking to buy.

That's right. There's an offer and there's also an asking price.

At this point you get someone to value your asset and this value factors in whether you are a motivated seller or not.

Sure. Carlton can decide not to trade Yarran.

Ergo the original point. Carlton will decide what they want to sell for

That's fine. But that has nothing to do with his trade value, which is determined by the market.

 

[My name geoff]

Because you didn't get the answer you wanted from your numbnuts analogy?

I imagine Carlton have an asking price. Just as there would be a reserve price for a piece of real estate.

That's right. There's an offer and there's also an asking price.

Sure. Carlton can decide not to trade Yarran.

That's fine. But that has nothing to do with his trade value, which is determined by the market.

no it's determined by carltons perceived value as they don't have to sell. You need to get your head around this lol

 

[Sweet Jesus]

it's determined by carltons perceived value as they don't have to sell.

That's Carlton's asking price. But his trade value will be determined by the market.

You don't appear to understand the difference.

 

[tipstar]

If Carlton force Yarran to stay and play in the 2s what do people think he is going to do in the year he becomes a free agent??

Does he 1. Play to the best of his ablilities to increase HIS WAGE!!

Or 2. Sook it up and play in the 2s and decrease his possible pay??

I know what I'd be doing... Unless the Tigers have offered him a contract that he sees fit financially, (which Compo wise might be better than their 2nd rounder) again only time will tell....

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Far out, I thought the Aish thread had some low points, but reading five pages of circular posts that boil down to "the seller can specify an asking price and the potential buyers get to specify the offering price" is pretty special.

By the way:

And how many truly outstanding seasons did Wellingham have? He went for a 1st rounder too.

Yep, the Pies dead set dacked the Eagles and went in dry. We paid overs for Hampson. From memory the Pies also somehow managed to get pick 20 for Dawes the spud. Some people pay overs, I hope we dont for Yarran

It wasn't quite that bad.

Given Wellingham has been great this year, probably career best year, in a team that is going into a Prelim Final as a raging favourite, I don't think it's clear that the Eagles got dudded in that trade at all. Apart from everything else the kid we took with the pick we got has shown plenty of promise but isn't yet established best 22 for us, let alone that he would be in the 22 for the Eagles.

 

[My name geoff]

That's Carlton's asking price. But his trade value will be determined by the market.

You don't appear to understand the difference.

I do understand the difference, and if Carlton where selling that would be the case..but they're not. S

This means a buyer will need to meet their perceived value of the asset

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Far out, I thought the Aish thread had some low lights, but reading five pages of circular posts that boil down to "the seller can specify an asking price and the potential buyers get to specify the offering price" is pretty special.

The market determines trade value.

Given Wellingham has been great this year, probably career best year, in a team that is going into a Prelim Final as a raging favourite, I don't think it's clear that the Eagles got dudded in that trade at all.

He's had a great season but did nothing 2013-14. The fact WC are in a PF is neither here nor there. Wellingham didn't coach the team.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I do understand the difference, and if Carlton where selling that would be the case..but they're not.

Carlton aren't willing to trade Yarran? Really?

This means a buyer will need to meet their perceived value of the asset

Sure, Carlton have the option of trying to keep Yarran if they don't like the offer.

But his trade value will still be determined by the market. At that point, Carlton can decide whether to trade him or try to keep him.