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[cammo6556]

I am very wary of offering up a lobsided trade and looking like a dill when the AFL reject it. Having said that, the compensation pick is there to be taken. Ignoring the Wood just for a second, if we could bend a trade just slightly to get around the integrity department, how does this sound?

a) accept whatever compensation we are offered.
b) Geelong trade pick 9 for Lachie Henderson & 20
c) Cockatoo + pick 20 for Mackay + 2nd rounder (pick 30).
d) 20 is traded to Brisbane for Aish or Redden.

That way, while Geelong lose a gun youngster and have to take on an unnecessary contract while have Henderson as a decent back-up to Mackie and co., they can still use pick 9 for a swap with Henderson + 20.

Adelaide = LOSE: Dangerfield, Mackay, pick 30. GAIN = 13, Cockatoo, Aish/Redden
Brisbane = LOSE: Aish/Redden. GAIN = Pick 20
Carlton = LOSE: Henderson + pick 20. GAIN = Pick 9
Geelong = LOSE: 9, Cockatoo = GAIN= Dangerfield, Henderson, Mackay, pick 30.


It is not ideal and I am sure I will get a lot of hate, but Adelaide and Geelong would be silly to let a free compensation pick from the AFL just sail away.

apart from the getting mackay thing, geelong absolutely smash that trade in...

 

[Wood_Duck]

thats just over an hour... a pain but doable for that kinda salary

Bought a house in Geelong after his marriage break up.

 

[Allefgib]

It's a known fact. The only reason the draft remains unchallenged is because adherance to it is contained in the AFL contracts, which the AFLPA sign off on. If the PA pull their support of the draft clause, welcome to open market.

How does this work in other massive sports leagues that use drafts? Does it have the same legal tensions in play?
If not - how have they worked around it?

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

apart from the getting mackay thing, geelong absolutely smash that trade in...

I don't think so, I think it is pretty even- when you consider that Dangerfield is a free-agent. They might do better than Adelaide on paper, but you also have to consider that Adelaide are getting a free-compensation pick out of it, which is not Geelong's responsibility to provide.

 

[Linekers Ears]

I suspect a trade has already been agreed for two reasons:

- Geelong wont want to restructure pay to blow us out of the water with a massive front ended offer at the expense of one of their core values (wage equality).
- Adelaide will want to get on with trade week and fill the gap left by Patty.

Suspect we'll receive 2 first rounders OR 1 first, 1 second and Murdoch on the first day of trade.

I largely agree with this but i reckon they'll all be trying to craft a side deal that allows Adelaide the PD compo pick somehow so it doesn't cost Geelong too much.

Mackay plus our second for Murdoch and Geebangers second or next years first.

With Kelly & ROB being promoted, we won't have too many draft picks.

 

[mistylake]

No. I believe Danger left for the reasons which are being communicated by the club. That being family reasons. I also believe them when they say Danger would have stayed if the decision was solely on the health of the club, the people around him and the overall Adelaide environment.

Bloody Chicks.
A workmate used to mutter this to himself after a rowe with his girlfriend.. grrrrr bloody chicks.

 

[Jack is Back]

Paddy is not being unreasonable.

He simply wants to return to Victoria to be closer to his family and he is willing to play for any club that is within a 30 minute drive of Moggs Creek .

It would be outrageous for us to force him to have to drive for an hour each way to his new club.

And I would like to say hello to my Crows mates in Wollongong who spend more than 3 hours a day traveling to and from Sydney (or make that 4 hours plus if they go by car).

I am Paddy, I am not unreasonable
- I am happy to earn only 5 million over the next 6 years
- I want to live at Moggs Creek
- I'm a nice guy, I want everyone to love me.

Two out a three aint bad.

 

[mistylake]

Geez you guys are slow. While all your focus is on has been Dangerfield - you've missed the obvious - I'll bet his partner is pregnant or they are trying and no-one has negotiating and pulling power like a pregnant or trying to get pregnant woman. 'You want to go home darling? Of course'! They move home in late October to be near her family for the pregnancy and they have a Moggs Creek baby next year.

Either way it fits with her giving up netball a month or two ago (as I posted at the time) and the change to ' family reasons' and being closer to 'Mardi's family' for leaving (always thought specifying that was odd) and the way she's dropped from sight. Will be interesting to see if she is at the B and F tomorrow night and the Brownlow. If she is pregnant, watch for the arrival of a baby Dangerfield around the start of next season. And of course it could all be completely wrong - but it could also explain a lot.

Another half n half father/son selection. like the Jarman one. Although no guarantee of Danger getting 100 games at GFC.

 

[Linekers Ears]

Paddy is not being unreasonable.

He simply wants to return to Victoria to be closer to his family and he is willing to play for any club that is within a 30 minute drive of Moggs Creek.

He'll be playing for Anglesea then. Moggs us about 50 mins from Geelong

 

[PAFC_1870]

Can't help but think this deal will go to the last minute, Adelaide won't receive what he's worth on an open market (similar to the Ryder deal). He ends up in Geelong and there is no way Adelaide lets him walk for nothing in my eyes.

Both Geelong and Adelaide don't really have any power in this. It's not a contract that will prevent others picking him up in the PSD, and Adelaide won't let him go for nothing.... any talk they would is just them trying to act tough.

The open for offers headline is just ludicrous, Paddy won't go to another team.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Anyone think the move to make Tex captain had any bearing on Dangerfield's decision?

I do

Still think it's the right call though

 

[cammo6556]

I don't think so, I think it is pretty even- when you consider that Dangerfield is a free-agent. They might do better than Adelaide on paper, but you also have to consider that Adelaide are getting a free-compensation pick out of it, which is not Geelong's responsibility to provide.

personally think it's still way overs but agree to disagree I guess.

 

[TexForPM]

Another half n half father/son selection. like the Jarman one. Although no guarantee of Danger getting 100 games at GFC.

yep he's a legacy man. I mean narcissist

 

[Allefgib]

It's not the disparity it's the timing.

You are absolutely allowed to pay out of the market to win the player with an intention to revert to fair value afterwards.

But those 2 transactions need to be separate and not part of the original deal.

Paying $1.5 per for 2 years and then 12 months in extending for another 2 at $500k is 100% legal and allowed

It just may not be a direct part of the original deal at the time. Because then it should be declared as a 4 year deal. A 2 then 2 year deal is fine

With the risk to the player being if they get a career ending injury towards the back end of the second year that they don't have a secured contract to support them for the remaining years. So presumably that provides a bit of weight on not going 'too short' on the original contract.

 

[Large 1]

How does this work in other massive sports leagues that use drafts? Does it have the same legal tensions in play?
If not - how have they worked around it?

The restraint of trade is an interesting one.

My understanding is that all AFL players are contracted to the AFL, not to individual clubs. Therefore, any restriction of movement is akin to working for a large organisation (let's say a bank) and wanting to move between branches. The bank is well within their right to place you in which ever branch they want and you are within your right to go work for another bank if you don't like it.

Likewise the AFL is allow to restrict movement between their "branches" (clubs) and player are in their right to practice their trade in another organisation (e.g. SANFL, VFL, WAFL).

I don't think the restraint of trade is the home run for the AFLPA that it is purported to be.

 

[Allefgib]

It is trying to fool people that it wasn't all agreed to up front.

No player is going to drop that much in their next genuinely negotiated contract. They just aren't. Nobody is believing that that deal wasn't set up from the get go.

This risk for the player is a career ending injury and they don't get that second contract - which would still be great coin irrespective if under market value.
So to sign a high value, short term contract up front has an inherent risk the player is wearing when it's two separate contracts.
Sure they may have nodded and winked about it - but for the player side, if its not a contract that can be enforced they would be taking a risk.

 

[6BTS]

Bloody Chicks.
A workmate used to mutter this to himself after a rowe with his girlfriend.. grrrrr bloody chicks.

Yeah, I get the feeling that "family reasons" has an enormous amount to do with Mardi, but I won't go into that because he's chosen to be with her and as she came across to Adelaide for him, he also needs to take the good and the not so good with her.

Ricciuto has said more will come out in time which indicates to me it's not just a home sickness thing.

 

[Allefgib]

Anyone think the move to make Tex captain had any bearing on Dangerfield's decision?

I can picture Walshy eyeballing danger saying, "I get it - you wanted the job. Show me you put team first and it won't matter anyway."

Team Dangerfield clearly won out.

 

[Hell Boy6669]

I do

Still think it's the right call though

Agreed, however if PD had said to the club, "I'll sign a long term deal if you make me skipper" we wouldve jumped at the idea.

 

[Don Muraco]

Paddy is not being unreasonable.



I am Paddy, I am not unreasonable
- I am happy to earn only 5 million over the next 6 years
- I want to live at Moggs Creek
- I'm a nice guy, I want everyone to love me.

Two out a three aint bad.

He will be Mr. Fruit and Veg earning a few extra pineapples on the side as well. (I'm sure Costa will be prominent in helping out his bank account in some way)

 

[6BTS]

I love these dickheads from the Melbourne based clubs on Facebook going "Geelong's only an hour from Melbourne". He wants to live in Moggs Creek, not Geelong you idiots.

He could always drive to Geelong and then "Bronwyn Bishop" travel the rest of the way if a Melbourne club is willing to fork out the money.

 

[Niximus]

This risk for the player is a career ending injury and they don't get that second contract - which would still be great coin irrespective if under market value.
So to sign a high value, short term contract up front has an inherent risk the player is wearing when it's two separate contracts.
Sure they may have nodded and winked about it - but for the player side, if its not a contract that can be enforced they would be taking a risk.

It's that nod and wink that is illegal though, it doesn't require an enforceable agreement.

If it looks like a dodgy deal, it will be treated like a dodgy deal.

 

[fairfooty]

Agreed 6BTS - and if she is pregnant, then if he is genuinely the family man he says he is, (and I have no reason to doubt it) then the pregnancy and first baby will come above everything else. I'd go as far as to say he'd sit next season out rather than go to Brisbane in these circumstances. But it's all pure speculation and dot joining at this point.

 

[Allefgib]

It's that nod and wink that is illegal though, it doesn't require an enforceable agreement.

If it looks like a dodgy deal, it will be treated like a dodgy deal.

I don't agree - but happy to be corrected by those with a better understanding of legalities.
You can nod and wink all you want really. If its not an enforceable contract - why can't they do it. AFL would have no hope of stopping it if it was just a contract extension - on less money.

The player IS taking a risk to not have those extra years locked away.

 

[subaru]

Agreed, however if PD had said to the club, "I'll sign a long term deal if you make me skipper" we wouldve jumped at the idea.

I wouldn't want a skipper like that.
We'll be right.

Tex and Rory are the heart of our club. Danger was always a bit "me me me ".