Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*

[Catastic82]

I'm happy to listen and debate and be wrong, but so many people slandering those scenes is ridiculous, and it doesn't even make sense. I'm yet to see an intelligent rebuttal that doesn't read between the lines as "I DONT LIKE THE PREQUELS DONT QUESTION ME".

I'll say it for the last time my resons

*too focused on being visually appealing with unrealistic moves
*no emotional engagements , seems to be no consequences in the fights
*fights are often unrealistic and long ... In the real world fights are often short and brutal
*no tension in the fights
*poor acting in prequels fights


try not to throw insults around simply because you don't agree with them

 

[Lethality]

Yes/no.

Are you happy with a trilogy remake or not? Please state reasons as well, thanks.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Are you happy with a trilogy remake or not? Please state reasons as well, thanks.

I would be happy as long as they are not complete remakes.

 

[exe ex machina]

Another thing I have a problem with....

Finn is trained from about 5 years of age to be a stormtrooper. So he spends around 20 years of his life so ingrained with the First Order. Ok, so he has the yips when he sees his first real battle. He cries at the death of one of his stormtrooper friends. He'd have many of them. He can't fire his weapon, he can't kill. So anyway, he decides to rescue Poe and flee the First Order. It's literally minutes between him freezing on the battlefield, crying at the death of a stormtrooper friend, unable to fire his weapon....and the next scene where he suddenly decides to fire the blaster gun on the TIE fighter at all the stormtroopers on the tarmac, killing dozens of his friends. No problem suddenly for him. And he kills more stormtroopers when in the MF, and more stormtroopers during the climactic scenes on the Starkillerbase.

Finn's conversion from 20 years of training and indoctrination, making lifelong friends of stormtroopers, but unable to kill a bunch of Jakku villagers. And in literal minutes is suddenly fine and happy to kill dozens of Stormtroopers, who'd many would still be friends/acquaintances.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens fans furious after movie screening suffers malfunction

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...ain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=entertainment

Boy that would have sucked lols.

 

[edgie]

I'll say it for the last time my resons

*too focused on being visually appealing with unrealistic moves
*no emotional engagements , seems to be no consequences in the fights
*fights are often unrealistic and long ... In the real world fights are often short and brutal
*no tension in the fights
*poor acting in prequels fights


try not to throw insults around simply because you don't agree with them

I'll address your gripes:

Unrealistic movies? It's Star Wars. They're fighting with laser swords and can bend the laws of physics. Trained Jedi and Sith have the ability to foresee and feel events that occur in the future. That immediately voids any concern about "unrealistic moves".
*too focused on being visually appealing with unrealistic moves
Emotional engagement... it's a legit concern but emotional engagements are formed outside of the fight scenes and that in itself should not be a reason to disparage those scenes and compare them unfavorably to similar scenes from better films.
*too focused on being visually appealing with unrealistic moves
Unrealistic and long... how long does the Empire fight go for? Surely felt just as long as the prequels. I'll half allow this one as it could probably be supported by figures, but again the unrealistic "real world" portion of that complaint is void, and I watch plenty of combat sports and many fights end up "going the distance", so it isn't even true.
*fights are often unrealistic and long ... In the real world fights are often short and brutal
No tension? I felt tension, so that's a matter of opinion, but as whole it is very hard to create tension when you know the result. Go back and watch Geelong's 07/09/11 season knowing that eventually you win the flag. Nonetheless, I allow it.
*no tension in the fights
Poor acting, I disagree and cite that the acting was equally as good during the scenes as the acting displayed in the original trilogy.
"Ifeelthegoodandtheconflictwithinyouletgoofhate!"
Also, if you consider being able to actually fence and use a sword part of the acting, and you should, because physical acting is just as important as emotional acting, then no. Everyone of the PT actors would spank their OT counterparts in an actual duel. That's what actual training in a martial art does to you. Daniel Craig can fight. Roger Moore cannot. It shows in the respective scenes from their films in their respective franchise.
*poor acting in prequels fights

1.5/5

 

[RAPPA]

So let's just clarify in relation to the Rey being Obi-Wan's daughter: The Force Awakens is set approximately 30 years following ROTJ; ROTJ is set one year following ESB; and ESB is 3 years after ANH.

Assuming old Obi-Wan injected himself with Jedi viagra and did the deed as a crusty old man, Rey's is looking pretty good in her mid-to-late 30s/early 40s...

 

[edgie]

Another thing I have a problem with....

Finn is trained from about 5 years of age to be a stormtrooper. So he spends around 20 years of his life so ingrained with the First Order. Ok, so he has the yips when he sees his first real battle. He cries at the death of one of his stormtrooper friends. He'd have many of them. He can't fire his weapon, he can't kill. So anyway, he decides to rescue Poe and flee the First Order. It's literally minutes between him freezing on the battlefield, crying at the death of a stormtrooper friend, unable to fire his weapon....and the next scene where he suddenly decides to fire the blaster gun on the TIE fighter at all the stormtroopers on the tarmac, killing dozens of his friends. No problem suddenly for him. And he kills more stormtroopers when in the MF, and more stormtroopers during the climactic scenes on the Starkillerbase.

Finn's conversion from 20 years of training and indoctrination, making lifelong friends of stormtroopers, but unable to kill a bunch of Jakku villagers. And in literal minutes is suddenly fine and happy to kill dozens of Stormtroopers, who'd many would still be friends/acquaintances.

Jakku villagers that took arms the second the First Order showed up, so could pretty much be considered combatants.

It is a ridiculous move to paint Fin in some glory whilst showing evil the Order is. Almost comes off as a self serving wimp who has no problem shooting to save himself. Not sure if the resistance can rely on him in the future!

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Another thing I have a problem with....

Finn is trained from about 5 years of age to be a stormtrooper. So he spends around 20 years of his life so ingrained with the First Order. Ok, so he has the yips when he sees his first real battle. He cries at the death of one of his stormtrooper friends. He'd have many of them. He can't fire his weapon, he can't kill. So anyway, he decides to rescue Poe and flee the First Order. It's literally minutes between him freezing on the battlefield, crying at the death of a stormtrooper friend, unable to fire his weapon....and the next scene where he suddenly decides to fire the blaster gun on the TIE fighter at all the stormtroopers on the tarmac, killing dozens of his friends. No problem suddenly for him. And he kills more stormtroopers when in the MF, and more stormtroopers during the climactic scenes on the Starkillerbase.

Finn's conversion from 20 years of training and indoctrination, making lifelong friends of stormtroopers, but unable to kill a bunch of Jakku villagers. And in literal minutes is suddenly fine and happy to kill dozens of Stormtroopers, who'd many would still be friends/acquaintances.

To be fair he wouldn't be able to tell considering they all wear helmets.

 

[edgie]

To be fair he wouldn't be able to tell considering they all where helmets.

So? You're a soldier betraying you brothers. What does it matter if they are the same guys or a different unit?

It's poor and inconsistent character development.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

So? You're a soldier betraying you brothers. What does it matter if they are the same guys or a different unit?

It's poor and inconsistent character development.

Well I never thought about it until is was mentioned here.I find as nit picking rather than poor and inconsistent character development.

 

[exe ex machina]

Jakku villagers that took arms the second the First Order showed up, so could pretty much be considered combatants.

It is a ridiculous to paint Fin in some glory whilst showing evil the Order is. Almost comes off as a self serving wimp who has no problem shooting to save himself. Not sure if the resistance can rely on him in the future!

I really disliked the Finn character from start to finish. For that reason above. As well as he suddenly abandons Rey at Maz's castle (proving your point of being a self-serving wimp when the heat is on). But then comes back for her. But some of his acting/lines were forced, his character development forced, how he goes from one thing to the next. As well as how he gets the hots for Rey (cute boyfriend), and the line no one has looked at me like you did the first time....but the first time she looked at him was with anger.

 

[edgie]

Maybe Obi shacked up with Aunt Beru?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Another thing I have a problem with....

Finn is trained from about 5 years of age to be a stormtrooper. So he spends around 20 years of his life so ingrained with the First Order. Ok, so he has the yips when he sees his first real battle. He cries at the death of one of his stormtrooper friends. He'd have many of them. He can't fire his weapon, he can't kill. So anyway, he decides to rescue Poe and flee the First Order. It's literally minutes between him freezing on the battlefield, crying at the death of a stormtrooper friend, unable to fire his weapon....and the next scene where he suddenly decides to fire the blaster gun on the TIE fighter at all the stormtroopers on the tarmac, killing dozens of his friends. No problem suddenly for him. And he kills more stormtroopers when in the MF, and more stormtroopers during the climactic scenes on the Starkillerbase.

Finn's conversion from 20 years of training and indoctrination, making lifelong friends of stormtroopers, but unable to kill a bunch of Jakku villagers. And in literal minutes is suddenly fine and happy to kill dozens of Stormtroopers, who'd many would still be friends/acquaintances.

So the first order are really the good guys, unlike those turncoat rebels.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I really disliked the Finn character from start to finish. For that reason above. As well as he suddenly abandons Rey at Maz's castle (proving your point of being a self-serving wimp when the heat is on). But then comes back for her. But some of his acting/lines were forced, his character development forced, how he goes from one thing to the next. As well as how he gets the hots for Rey (cute boyfriend), and the line no one has looked at me like you did the first time....but the first time she looked at him was with anger.

Dude it's a Star Wars film not meant to make perfect sense.

 

[edgie]

Well I never thought about it until is was mentioned here.I find as nit picking rather than poor and inconsistent character development.

It is fair to say TFA is only the quality it is because of the nit picking over the prequels, big and small stuff. If we as a community let some pretty big stuff slip by, like the overpowered Rey or the ridiculous Fin, mistakes will continue to be made in the future that tread the Star Wars fanbase as idiots. I want the best movie we can get, I want another New Hope or Empire, and we shouldn't settle for less.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

It is fair to say TFA is only the quality it is because of the nit picking over the prequels, big and small stuff. If we as a community let some pretty big stuff slip by, like the overpowered Rey or the ridiculous Fin, mistakes will continue to be made in the future that tread the Star Wars fanbase as idiots. I want the best movie we can get, I want another New Hope or Empire, and we shouldn't settle for less.

We will find out a lot more about Rey in the next film and also why she is powerful you think.

 

[edgie]

I really disliked the Finn character from start to finish. For that reason above. As well as he suddenly abandons Rey at Maz's castle (proving your point of being a self-serving wimp when the heat is on). But then comes back for her. But some of his acting/lines were forced, his character development forced, how he goes from one thing to the next. As well as how he gets the hots for Rey (cute boyfriend), and the line no one has looked at me like you did the first time....but the first time she looked at him was with anger.

I actually like the character, I just couldn't stand the cheap plot devices to paint him as brave and heroic and the Order as bad and evil and the Resistance is noble and worth killing for. It was lazy story writing.

 

[edgie]

We will find out a lot more about Rey in the next film and also why she is powerful you think.

I'm sure we will but because we don't know why she mastered the force in all of 15 minutes, it has done a disservice this film.

 

[exe ex machina]

So let's just clarify in relation to the Rey being Obi-Wan's daughter: The Force Awakens is set approximately 30 years following ROTJ; ROTJ is set one year following ESB; and ESB is 3 years after ANH.

Assuming old Obi-Wan injected himself with Jedi viagra and did the deed as a crusty old man, Rey's is looking pretty good in her mid-to-late 30s/early 40s...

Cant be his then. Good deduction.

 

[exe ex machina]

So the first order are really the good guys, unlike those turncoat rebels.

I am always on the side of the dark side.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I am always on the side of the dark side.

I'm an empire man himself, the imperial match theme with the super star destroyer in ep 5 won me over to them and haven't looked back.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I am always on the side of the dark side.

I've always rooted for the good guys in the originals as a kid it's only as I grew older that I started to appreciate the Empire and the darkside.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I'm an empire man himself, the imperial match theme with the super star destroyer in ep 5 won me over to them and haven't looked back.

Has Rey won you over?

 

[exe ex machina]

I actually like the character, I just couldn't stand the cheap plot devices to paint him as brave and heroic and the Order as bad and evil and the Resistance is noble and worth killing for. It was lazy story writing.

I haven't done a full review here. Where I pinpoint all the things I liked/disliked. But all in all, I really didn't find TFA a well-written STORY at all. I thought the pace of the movie was all misplaced. It zips forward, then slows down, then zips forward, then jumps to some other thing, etc, and overall the scenes skipped ahead too quickly, the DEVELOPMENT of the characters in the story just pushed along, rushed, so disjointed and so many things didn't add up. There was no real TENSION or excitement. Just when it seemed to build, it'd skip disjointed to something else. The only scenes where it was developing well was when Rey found BB8 all the way up to when her and Finn leave Jakku on the MF. And then Abrams just hurried thru the rest of the film. Bad editing by whomever did it. Also, didn't like the way Kylo's reveal being Han's son was done. Having Snoke nonchalantly say it in that scene, where there was no tension or drama.

Not only did John Williams have a shocker. But so did Kasdan. That really doesn't seem like a Kasdan script. But more like an Abrams script that Kasdan would chip in with, overseer, soundboard off, but ultimately Abrams was calling the shots on the story itself and how it develops, the scenes.

Basically, the whole film just felt flat to me. I never really felt carried away by the story, lost in it, except for the Jakku scenes with Rey. That was well-written as a script. The rest of it tho...hurried, disjointed, lacking building of tension, surprise punches, etc. The whole second half of the movie I was just sitting there expressionless, disjointed, walked out as tho I wasn't AFFECTED. Even the prequels were kinda better in terms of getting lost in the story.