Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*

[Thrawn]

The "emotional" argument people are using to dish the prequel saber fights doesn't hold up, everyone I confronted about it the other day used examples from scenes outside of the fights to support it. The emotional weight present during the fight scenes is just as strong as it is in TFA.

Such as? List the scenes.

 

[Janus]

The one thing I will say is that I don't think she is going to become the antagonist in that she'll become pure evil. I think she is going to follow the same path as Ben Solo, but this time, she is going to be saved where Ben Solo fell and became Kylo Ren. So in effect, it's telling the story of Anakin's grandchildren even though they may or may not be related by proxy. The point of this trilogy is about personal choice - a rejection of the Unifying Force (destiny) toward the Living Force (living in the moment and consciousness of how your actions affect others).

Vader was always talking to Luke about how joining him was his destiny. Palpatine as well - "Fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side!" Kylo Ren too, believes it is his destiny to carry on the legacy of Darth Vader. Whereas Jedi like Qui Gon were all about just doing the right thing and letting the Force guide. Ben Solo had a choice, and he chose the darkness. Rey will have a choice, and she will choose the light. I'll be the last person surprised if the final battle happens between Rey and Finn on a bridge just like the one that Han and Kylo were on.

 

[exe ex machina]

Lor San Tekka was an individual who lived on the Western Reaches planet of Jakku approximately 29 years after the Battle of Jakku. San Tekka was a follower of the Church of the Force, an underground faith of loosely affiliated followers of Jedi ideals. He also knew the history of Leia Organa. He had dealings with the Resistance X-Wing pilot Poe Dameron and his droid BB-8 and kept a piece of the map to find Luke Skywalker. They were located by the First Order shortly after giving the map to Dameron, who hid it inside BB-8. Dameron was captured and BB-8 fled, while San Tekka was confronted by Kylo Ren, who killed him with his lightsaber after a short conversation.[1]

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Description
The Church of the Force was an underground faith that believed in the ideals of the Jedi Order. It existed during the time of the Galactic Empire, when such spiritual beliefs were strictly forbidden. Despite the threat of Imperial rule, and the destruction of the Jedi Order at the end of the Clone Wars, the Church of the Force believed that the light of the Jedi would one day return to the galaxy.[1]

History
"This will begin to make things right."
―Lor San Tekka[src]
The Church of the Force existed as an underground movement during the Age of the Empire, when the Jedi Knights were hunted to near-extinction and worship in the supernatural was a violation of Imperial law. One member of the faith was Lor San Tekka, an explorer who did not believe the lies that the Empire told about the so-called Jedi betrayal of the Galactic Republic. He spent years finding history of the Jedi that the Empire had to tried to suppress,[1] and eventually helped Luke Skywalker, the last Jedi, in his own search for Jedi lore.[2] After Skywalker vanished following the massacring of his new generation of Jedi, San Tekka held a fragment of a map that showed where Skywalker had gone into exile. Believing that the Jedi had to return in order for there to be balance in the Force, San Tekka gave the map fragment to the Resistance before he was killed by Kylo Ren—Skywalker's nephew, and the man who killed the new Jedi. His death was not for nothing, however, as Skywalker was located by a young Force-sensitive woman named Rey.[3]

Behind the scenes
Through the appearance of Lor San Tekka, the Church of the Force first appeared in the 2015 film Star Wars: Episode VII The Force Awakens. It was identified as the Church of the Force in the reference book Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary, which provided a backstory for San Tekka.[1]

 

[exe ex machina]

26 Unanswered Questions from The Force Awakens....

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/

 

[Lethality]

Would suck if both episode 8&9 echo ESB and ROTJ but I don't think it will Disney aren't that stupid.

Why would it suck?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Would be pretty sweet if she's the granddaughter of Obi Wan.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Why would it suck?

Weren't you the one saying how TFA is a remake of ANH?

 

[exe ex machina]

Bolded part interesting....

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Berith on The Force.net explains how Rey could be a Kenobi:

Anyone who has watched Clone Wars will know Obi-Wan had a relationship with Duchess Satine Kryze leader of the Mandalorians. In fact when Obi-Wan was still a Padawan he and Qui-Gon protected her for over a year. Obi-Wan and Satine grew so close that Obi-Wan stated he would have renounced his vows to the Jedi order had she asked. Now Qui-Gon was certainly no stickler for the rules, but fathering a child is in fact not against the Jedi code. The attachment that usually comes with such things is the issue. So Obi-Wan could easily have fathered a child with Satine and remained a Jedi so long as he was detached enough from the situation. This child being of both Mandalorian and Jedi descent would have to be kept a secret. It would have been an affront to the mandalorians seeking to return to the old ways and a target of assassination as a result.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Why not? Luke almost did in ROTJ. Could have easily done so in ESB as well.

What is it about Rey that makes people adamant that she could never turn? Is it because she's a girl and signs of aggression and anger can be dismissed as earnestness? Put a male in the same role and everyone would know that he was using the dark side at certain points of the movie.

When ROTJ's trailer came out, everyone flipped because they saw Luke dressed in all black with Vader and thought that he went to the dark side. It's only later that you realize it was just what some Jedi wore.

Notice that Kylo Ren doesn't say to Rey 'I can show you the power of the dark side!' but rather 'I can show you the ways of the Force.' Why would he say that to her? Because he knows she is already on the path to the dark side, so why bother differentiating it from the light? Especially to someone who is untrained.

At the very least, Rey will end up a grey Jedi. Of that I'm certain. Her path isn't going to be pure and light as what people want it to be. How do I know? Because it would be shit story telling if she had no room to grow as a character. She needs to fail in the next movie, just like Luke did. And if she was OP in this one (which she was if you are going to deny the dark side force usage idea) then her fall needs to be equally as over the top to provide balance and weight to the character.

You can get away with how Rey was presented in this movie, but only once. Do the whole 'this girl is good at absolutely everything' schtick again and she'll become the most hated character in Star Wars history, just like that ******** Kevin J Anderson's Kyp Durron who was a loser that everyone hated.

Breaking Bad was a serious, often depressing drama aimed exclusively at adults. This is a PG-13 all ages adventure blockbuster franchise. She's not turning.

It's not a Disney film. Disney just owns Lucasfilm, hence why you only see the Lucasfilm logo before the opening crawl. And if there's one thing that Disney knows better than anything, it's the smell of money.

LOL. Just LOL. It's a Disney film through and through. No Disney logo at the start is a branding choice because they have another 20 Star Wars movies coming and want to push their Lucasfilm brand. Lucasfilm staff may be picking the alien colour designs etc (as the big studio parent companies do almost no literal film production anymore) but every big decision that matters is made by Disney or someone who answers to Disney.

 

[Catastic82]

Bolded part interesting....

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Berith on The Force.net explains how Rey could be a Kenobi:

Anyone who has watched Clone Wars will know Obi-Wan had a relationship with Duchess Satine Kryze leader of the Mandalorians. In fact when Obi-Wan was still a Padawan he and Qui-Gon protected her for over a year. Obi-Wan and Satine grew so close that Obi-Wan stated he would have renounced his vows to the Jedi order had she asked. Now Qui-Gon was certainly no stickler for the rules, but fathering a child is in fact not against the Jedi code. The attachment that usually comes with such things is the issue. So Obi-Wan could easily have fathered a child with Satine and remained a Jedi so long as he was detached enough from the situation. This child being of both Mandalorian and Jedi descent would have to be kept a secret. It would have been an affront to the mandalorians seeking to return to the old ways and a target of assassination as a result.

Pump and dump...the Jedi way

Nice to know I haven't fallen to the Darkside

 

[Janus]

Rey Kenobi vs Ben Skywalker (taking his mother's real last name). I can dig it.

 

[Dylan8]

On fire ITT Janus

 

[edgie]

Such as? List the scenes.

Closeups and facials of the battle in Episode 1, plenty of emotion on display.

Qui Gon being killed and the rage in Obi.

Episode 2... Ok, nah.

The execution of Dooku in 3.

The closeups and facials during Mace vs the Emperor. Again, nothing wooden about it.

Anakin vs Obi. Everything, see them become physically exhausted toward the end of the battle and they slow down and seriously labour in each move and swing. When Obi says "I'm sorry, I have failed you", the anguish on display after he slays Anakin and the rage and hate as Ani is burned.

They aren't the wooden plastic shells people are making them out to be.

I mean, what about when Luke says "you'll find I'm full of surprises!" before doing some ridiculous move where he drops to the ground and is easily disarmed. Who the **** thought that made sense?

 

[exe ex machina]

That 26 unanswered link posted before has a bunch of interesting stuff.

There's this which may support Rey being Kenobi's daughter....

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Who Was Rey Raised By?
If Rey was abandoned on Jakku as a child, who raised her? In the quick shot we see in Rey’s vision, we see her at age 5-7 wearing an outfit that looks like that of a young Jedi Padawan looking up at a leaving spacecraft. We don’t recognize the spacecraft, but we think we recognize the arm in the shot. It looks like the arm of Unkar Plutt, the character Simon Pegg plays in the film. Unkar is the alien junk dealer that Rey goes to to trade her salvaged findings for portions of food. In the scenes with Rey, it doesn’t seem like she has a past relationship with Unkar. And it also doesn’t seem like he would be the kind of person to agree to take care of a five-year-old girl.

But then that leads us to the Millennium Falcon, a space ship that Unkar has had sitting in his junkyard for some time. Is it possible that someone traded him that ship in exchange for watching over his daughter and teaching her how to survive on the unforgiving world of Jakku?

An interesting theory, but it seems unlikely. They filmed a scene at Maz’s castle where Unkar confronts Rey about stealing the Falcon and Chewbacca comes to save her, which was not included in the final film (but will likely be seen in the home video deleted scene collection).

 

[Janus]

Breaking Bad was a serious, often depressing drama aimed exclusively at adults. This is a PG-13 all ages adventure blockbuster franchise. She's not turning.

So what you're saying is it's ok to see a male turn, but not a female? Stupid and blatantly sexist in the truest sense of the word. Besides, you're looking at it black and white. She can fall or at least flirt with the dark side and not become evil. Moral ambiguity is a fact of life, especially in a time of crisis. I'm not saying she's going to choke out everyone and kill mercilessly...just that there will be aspects of it where people will go 'well she's not a goody two shoes after all'.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Closeups and facials of the battle in Episode 1, plenty of emotion on display.

Qui Gon being killed and the rage in Obi.

Episode 2... Ok, nah.

The execution of Dooku in 3.

The closeups and facials during Mace vs the Emperor. Again, nothing wooden about it.

Anakin vs Obi. Everything, see them become physically exhausted toward the end of the battle and they slow down and seriously labour in each move and swing. When Obi says "I'm sorry, I have failed you", the anguish on display after he slays Anakin and the rage and hate as Ani is burned.

They aren't the wooden plastic shells people are making them out to be.

I mean, what about when Luke says "you'll find I'm full of surprises!" before doing some ridiculous move where he drops to the ground and is easily disarmed. Who the **** thought that made sense?

Imo the saber duels in all the prequels were the best thing about the films so yeah I don't understand the hatred.

 

[edgie]

Star Wars have never dealt on the grey area with Jedi.

Whilst EU would tell you some have flirted with thr Dark Side, the general rule is that there is a tipping point of no return. There's no control and using it to ones advantage.

 

[Lethality]

Weren't you the one saying how TFA is a remake of ANH?

That's why I ask. You didn't seem to have a problem with that, so why not remake the next ones too?

 

[edgie]

Imo the saber duels in all the prequels were the best thing about the films so yeah I don't understand the hatred.

I'm happy to listen and debate and be wrong, but so many people slandering those scenes is ridiculous, and it doesn't even make sense. I'm yet to see an intelligent rebuttal that doesn't read between the lines as "I DONT LIKE THE PREQUELS DONT QUESTION ME".

 

[edgie]

That's why I ask. You didn't seem to have a problem with that, so why not remake the next ones too?

3 remakes is 3 times worse than 1.

 

[Dylan8]

I'm happy to listen and debate and be wrong, but so many people slandering those scenes is ridiculous, and it doesn't even make sense. I'm yet to see an intelligent rebuttal that doesn't read between the lines as "I DONT LIKE THE PREQUELS DONT QUESTION ME".

The thread is littered with them.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

That's why I ask. You didn't seem to have a problem with that, so why not remake the next ones too?

tbh I wouldn't have a problem with it I just hope Disney don't play it safe.

 

[Catastic82]

I'm happy to listen and debate and be wrong, but so many people slandering those scenes is ridiculous, and it doesn't even make sense. I'm yet to see an intelligent rebuttal that doesn't read between the lines as "I DONT LIKE THE PREQUELS DONT QUESTION ME".

*sighs*

So because you don't agree with people's reasons of disliking the prequels fight ...and plenty have been provided... You deem them not intelligent

And you wonder won't people why debate with you

 

[Lethality]

tbh I wouldn't have a problem with it I was just putting it out there.

It really sounded like you had a problem with it.

Would suck if both episode 8&9 echo ESB and ROTJ but I don't think it will Disney aren't that stupid.

So you're fine with just re-making the entire trilogy?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

It really sounded like you had a problem with it.



So you're fine with just re-making the entire trilogy?

Yes/no.

At the end of the day it's Star Wars so I'm going to love it regardless.