Training 2015/16 preseason training (discussion)

[salim malik]

We can hang out together as dole bludging nuffies writing training reports

You forgot the nothing else to do,retired old fools.

 

[beetz]

What is the point of a Rookie List?

Obviously it is a development channel but so are the senior list draftees. If a player is good enough, he'll play, regardless of draft position.

 

[wayToGo_]

What is the point of a Rookie List?

Obviously it is a development channel but so are the senior list draftees. If a player is good enough, he'll play, regardless of draft position.

It is just what has been left over after lots of different attempts to equalise the competition. It really has little relevance now and they should absorb it all into a single list for each team and then have clear classifications for each player (for TPP purposes). Would make it all far simpler and means rookies (ie would then be very late draft picks) and can play if they prove themselves. I don't get why we have rules to stop them from playing if they are good enough.

 

[Taylor]

What is the point of a Rookie List?

Obviously it is a development channel but so are the senior list draftees. If a player is good enough, he'll play, regardless of draft position.

The club point of view:
It allows short term deals without the burden of a full salary included in the TPP (total player payments), so clubs can get a look at someone with less risk.

From a player's point of view:
The club can require full commitment and effort without giving that commitment back in length of contract or salary so it absolutely sucks to be there.

My own opinion is that the list should be larger, no rookie list but then clubs will have a disproportionate amount of low cost young players to offset their high cost senior players under a guise of it being expensive to live in that city.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Would like a full scale national reserves Comp with every list having 50-60 players to be able to field two teams plus enough cover for injuries and suspensions

Get the reserves teams to play more regional games for added exposure for everyone

 

[jackkle]

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[scon]

Caaaaaaarn the Dockers!!

 

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Well it's different to "We'll a p", nonetheless a great entrance after 2 years.

whovian can help you fit in.

 

[Purpletown]

Cheers Mr Ziffel sounds to me as though everything is tracking as well as can be expected.Which is very well. A shrinking rehab group and no-one too badly impeded or with prolonged post-surgery recovery.
Add to that what appears to be another successful drafting/trading period in conjunction with a refreshed and invigorated coaching team and I'd say things are very positive heading toward the NAB which will inform us all a little more.Only concern I've got is Zaarke at the minute.
No relapses,hiccups or injuries and we trend toward RTB's "ideal" of 'fit and available'.I can't see the reasoning behind our predicted slide other than Elvis' departure which I reckon we'll cover adequately and Pav's extra year in the body,which his extreme professionalism, preparation and the fitness team's support will minimise the visible affects of.
Conversely we've got arguably the trade of the decade,the potentially immense advantage of a fit Morra,extra running power and experience into some youngsters,likely extra coaching prowess/expertise,another off-season to adjust and rehearse the game plan and whatever else the brains trust come up with.
Course anything can happen but I'm looking forward to another strong season with some top wins.

EDIT:Forgot to mention that I reckon RTB is approaching the top of his game.
He's chased coaches with better lists and came excruciatingly close.Now he's starting to get a list with enough talent and flexibility to allow him to display the full range of his ability.

Great post scon. Agree re RTB as he can and will become a better coach. Add to that Bennell and a fit Mora (fingers crossed) and he will have two extra weapons at his disposal as well.

I hold high hopes for Collins too. Fred Ziffel made my day with his earlier post regarding the form shown by Collins on the track.

Nothing is ever a given in this game but Freo are in good nick going into 2016.

 

[beetz]

It is just what has been left over after lots of different attempts to equalise the competition. It really has little relevance now and they should absorb it all into a single list for each team and then have clear classifications for each player (for TPP purposes). Would make it all far simpler and means rookies (ie would then be very late draft picks) and can play if they prove themselves. I don't get why we have rules to stop them from playing if they are good enough.

Yeah, exactly, why stop them playing just because they're on the rookie list. If they're good enough to be selected then they should be unhindered.

 

[sij1981]

I thought Lachie Weller looked excellent today in the sims with good speed and accurate kicking.

Some strange matchups late in the morning with Sam Collins on Zac Dawson, briefly, before Jack Hannath went on Zac.

Sam Collins beat Jack Hannath in three consecutive contests at the northern end. One was a one on one marking contest, the other was a ground ball where better agility won out and he ran off Jack very well and the other was better pace to mark in front of Jack.
I think we have got a good one in Sam Collins. He also negated Pav in one marking contest.
Sandi was used as the marking target in the goal square which could be an indicator of Ross' intentions throughout the year
Ross stopped a match sim several times, being unhappy with running patterns.

It appeared to me that the trainers are starting to increase Harley Bennell's loads.
The lap walking is still there but the jogging is now more up tempo.
Harley also did some kicking with a trainer: little kick, run to scoop up off the ground , little shimmy and weave and then a drilled kick to the trainer.

Interesting times ahead with the two below - excellent height - mature recruits - Defenders - Looks like Bondy is shaping our backline for next 10 years without the need to wait 3+ for bodies to develop.

SAM COLLINS
Box Hill, 21, 193cm, 87kg
Became a regular holding down a key defensive post for the losing Grand Finalists and his efforts won't have gone unnoticed by AFL scouts. Collins boasts excellent closing speed and gives his heart and soul in every contest. The fact that the Oakleigh Chargers product is only 21 and part of Box Hill's leadership group speaks volumes about his character.

MATT UEBERGANG
Redland, 20, 194cm, 91kg

After graduating from the Brisbane Lions Academy as a key forward last year, Uebergang was thought to be a big chance to earn a spot through the rookie draft, but missed out. The 20-year-old went back to the NEAFL and broadened his game, proving an excellent mid-sized defender with good hands who reads the play well. He is capable of doing special things – as shown by his hanger in the representative game against the best from the Tasmanian State League – and was named the NEAFL Rising Star winner and finished top three in Redland's best and fairest voting.

 

[sij1981]

Cheers Mr Ziffel sounds to me as though everything is tracking as well as can be expected.Which is very well. A shrinking rehab group and no-one too badly impeded or with prolonged post-surgery recovery.
Add to that what appears to be another successful drafting/trading period in conjunction with a refreshed and invigorated coaching team and I'd say things are very positive heading toward the NAB which will inform us all a little more.Only concern I've got is Zaarke at the minute.
No relapses,hiccups or injuries and we trend toward RTB's "ideal" of 'fit and available'.I can't see the reasoning behind our predicted slide other than Elvis' departure which I reckon we'll cover adequately and Pav's extra year in the body,which his extreme professionalism, preparation and the fitness team's support will minimise the visible affects of.
Conversely we've got arguably the trade of the decade,the potentially immense advantage of a fit Morra,extra running power and experience into some youngsters,likely extra coaching prowess/expertise,another off-season to adjust and rehearse the game plan and whatever else the brains trust come up with.
Course anything can happen but I'm looking forward to another strong season with some top wins.

EDIT:Forgot to mention that I reckon RTB is approaching the top of his game.
He's chased coaches with better lists and came excruciatingly close.Now he's starting to get a list with enough talent and flexibility to allow him to display the full range of his ability.

Good post - mee to looking forward to the new year with Bennell and Mora primarily. Just hoping we dont waste Mora scoring aggressiveness into defensive role.

 

[theGav56]

What is the point of a Rookie List?

Obviously it is a development channel but so are the senior list draftees. If a player is good enough, he'll play, regardless of draft position.

The only real positive I can see is that it allows/encourages clubs to recruit players specifically for development purposes who don't have a realistic chance of playing in the upcoming season. Moller and Hurley are good examples. Perhaps without the Rookie draft clubs would be more inclined to have ready to go players on their lists, such as Crowley or Menegola. Not hard and fast rules, but I do think it may encourage clubs to do some long-term development. However I do think this could be done better if it was a specific goal, perhaps by allowing clubs to recruit players into a mini-Academy with a goal of long-term development.

 

[scon]

Good post - mee to looking forward to the new year with Bennell and Mora primarily. Just hoping we dont waste Mora scoring aggressiveness into defensive role.

As with all that type of decision the coaches have a lot to weigh up and it looks as tho they'll initially err on the side of caution favouring a half back role,possibly in deference to his injury and the fact it's easier for him facing the incoming ball?I think it's more likely they are considering his ability to run and carry out of the defense and break zones with 80m plays.A real counterattacking weapon.
I ain't and don't aspire to be an AFL coach but one thing that's an undeniable advantage The Emperor brings,is extraordinary flexibility.He undoubtedly has the skills and physical attributes to play half back,half forward or mid.He's Pav's size and if he can stay fit and hit the type of form he's shown before we have an absolute jet coming into our team.
Don't want to pump up the expectation but he is a fantastically talented and mature fella.

Bennell would just slot into a HF/Mid role you'd think.

 

[beetz]

The only real positive I can see is that it allows/encourages clubs to recruit players specifically for development purposes who don't have a realistic chance of playing in the upcoming season. Moller and Hurley are good examples. Perhaps without the Rookie draft clubs would be more inclined to have ready to go players on their lists, such as Crowley or Menegola. Not hard and fast rules, but I do think it may encourage clubs to do some long-term development. However I do think this could be done better if it was a specific goal, perhaps by allowing clubs to recruit players into a mini-Academy with a goal of long-term development.

They probably started it out like that, recruiting younger/underdeveloped players to develop but it has certainly swayed away from that and players who are ready-made, even 100-150 AFL gamers are being recruited through that avenue. Just think they should scrap it and increase the main list accordingly. Holding back a player who slipped to the rookie list but clearly deserves a crack at AFL would be unfair. Imagine if Barlow wasn't able to make it on to the senior list back when he first started.

 

[beetz]

Annnnyywayy, that's enough hijacking, back to training reports.

 

[Suma Magic]

I just read your stickied training report thread. That is amazing.

We've had two reports the entire preseason.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

You forgot the nothing else to do,retired old fools.

Oh yeah the posters who resemble you

 

[salim malik]

Oh yeah the posters who resemble you

Yep and I can still outrun,outmark and out kick you.

 

[JunglistPosse]

I just read your stickied training report thread. That is amazing.

We've had two reports the entire preseason.

And one of those was from Chris Masten

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I just read your stickied training report thread. That is amazing.

We've had two reports the entire preseason.

We are awesome

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Yep and I can still outrun,outmark and out kick you.

 

[meima]

Don't judge too early .

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Don't judge too early .

Speaking on judgeing too early how's my mate Weller going?

 

[Allikat]

Speaking on judgeing too early how's my mate Weller going?

And my mate Fyfey! I need to know he's ok!!