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Crowked said:
How are people going to cope if Jars junior nominates us, but we opt not to select him?
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It won't happen.

We will be in communication with him and his family already and if by chance, we don't intend on drafting him - he won't make any announcement.

He will just enter the draft.
 
I'd back Ogilvie in and whatever the reason they may have. The recruiting department has been on fire. If we could just get on field right..... (Pyke has us heading in the right direction at least after Walsh started us on the journey)
 
Sam_Malone said:
It won't happen.

We will be in communication with him and his family already and if by chance, we don't intend on drafting him - he won't make any announcement.

He will just enter the draft.
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What's the bet Port tries to outbid us
 

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1990crow said:
Ben Jarman will likely have to have a really good carnival (if he plays) to suggest he's worth more than a rookie pick at this stage.
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A) are you suggesting he may not get selected for the carnival?

B) has any 18 year old missed selection based on ablity for the carnival and still been drafted?
 
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Sam_Malone said:
A) are you suggesting he may not get selected for the carnival?

B) has any 18 year old missed selection based on ablity for the carnival and still been drafted?
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Jordan Dawson (Sturt) missed out last year and got drafted by Sydney. Or maybe he just didn't play much... can't remember.

I remember skippos was scathing of them not playing him.
 
relapse said:
We'll just have to pay the price pick wise.
Not having a 2nd round pick might pose a few problems
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Actually, I don't think it will affect us much - if anything it might have worked out for the best for us since let's say noone is going to bid a 1st rounder on Ben then neither do we. If anyone bids a 2nd round on him (and assuming Ben nominates us), we still have the F-S right to match that bid (even though we don't have a 2nd bid) by using points from our remaining draft picks.

If we actually had a 2nd round, we would actually be forced to use that to match - but we've already gotten the benefit of this years 2nd round pick by bringing in Hampton in last year.

OTOH, if someone does make a 1st round bid on Ben and he's actually good enough to be worthy of it, we might well be willing to do too and match it.

Ed. Wonder if this had been in Ogilvie and Co's factoring during last trade period - yet more evidence of their canniness, if so.
 
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GrommoT said:
Actually, I don't think it will affect us much - if anything it might have worked out for the best for us since let's say noone is going to bid a 1st rounder on Ben then neither do we. If anyone bids a 2nd round on him (and assuming Ben nominates us), we still have the F-S right to match that bid (even though we don't have a 2nd bid) by using points from our remaining draft picks.

If we actually had a 2nd round, we would actually be forced to use that to match - but we've already gotten the benefit of this years 2nd round pick by bringing in Hampton in last year.

OTOH, if someone does make a 1st round bid on Ben and he's actually good enough to be worthy of it, we might well be willing to do too and match it.

Ed. Wonder if this had been in Ogilvie and Co's factoring during last trade period - yet more evidence of their canniness, if so.
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We more than likely won't get enough points from our remaining picks if someone bids a high second rounder for Jarman.

Here is a hypothetical lets say that Port finish 13th and we finish 5th. Now lets say Port used pick 24 as a bid for Jarman (they don't have a 2nd round pick because they have already traded it, but for arguments sake lets just say they it).

The value for Pick 24 = 785 you then take the 197 discount from it and it leaves you with 588 points which is the points that we need to pay for Jarman.

Now if we have picks 14, 32 (traded for Hampton), 50 and 68. The value for pick 50 is 273 points and the value for 68 is 58 points so those two picks are only worth a combined total of 341 which will not be enough. We might potentially have to downgrade pick 14 to get the points.

Pick 14 is worth 1161 so 1161 - 588 = 573 left over which are then added on to our next draft pick (50) to upgrade it. 573+273 = 846 which equates to pick 22.

This would mean that to get Jarman we would go from having Pick 14, 50 and 68 to having selected Bem Jarman and then having pick 22 and 68.

So depending on whether someone bids on Jarman and what is actually bid on him, trading our second round pick may not have been the smartest move.
 
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relapse said:
We more than likely won't get enough points from our remaining picks if someone bids a high second rounder for Jarman.

Here is a hypothetical lets say that Port finish 13th and we finish 5th. Now lets say Port used pick 24 as a bid for Jarman (they don't have a 2nd round pick because they have already traded it, but for arguments sake lets just say they it).

The value for Pick 24 = 785 you then take the 197 discount from it and it leaves you with 588 points which is the points that we need to pay for Jarman.

Now if we have picks 14, 32 (traded for Hampton), 50 and 68. The value for pick 50 is 273 points and the value for 68 is 58 points so those two picks are only worth a combined total of 341 which will not be enough. From what I know of the system we would have to downgrade pick 14 to get the points.

Pick 14 is worth 1161 so what I think happens is that 1161 - 588 = 573 left over which are then added on to our next draft pick (50) to upgrade it. 573+273 = 846 which equates to pick 22.

This would mean that to get Jarman we would go from having Pick 14, 50 and 68 to having selected Bem Jarman and then having pick 22 and 68.

So depending on whether someone bids on Jarman and what is actually bid on him, trading our second round pick may not have been the smartest move.
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Huh? By the time port hypothetically bid 24, we've already used 14...
 
Elder van Berlo said:
Huh? By the time port hypothetically bid 24, we've already used 14...
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Good point actually :$

Was so caught up trying to work out the maths for everything that I had stupidly overlooked/forgotten that the bidding process is now live rather than before the draft :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$
 
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