Pokies - Turnbull faces push for max bets and ad bans.

[tandino]

In Victoria, they actually do. The players can use a function which tracks that info (i.e. time spent and money spent etc.). Have spent a fair amount of time in venues (often with clients as part of treatment, mostly though when I'm on t'piss) and have rarely seen anybody using it. Would like to know the uptake of that function, if it's available will try and get hold of it.

Here's the link which explains the tracking function

http://www.responsiblegambling.vic....amble-aware/keep-track-of-your-time-and-money

That's really interesting that they would have such a function. Obviously someone in the relevant Government department realises how useful that information can be.

 

[little graham]

A colleague of mine's about to publish a study on problem gambling within public and private mental health services, from the perspectives of both clinicians and their customers. Basically MH clinicians know very little and the problem is more prevalent and furtgher negatively impacting on their mental and physical health.

Psychologists work on the program and the music of the machines. MH clinicians are amongst the most dangerous in our society.

So many lonely bored depressed people find comfort in a pokie. They're notorious for ripping through a widows fortune. All the people playing them regular go off the scale on that 'depression' test MH clinicians have but fail to relate to actual behavior.

Its more personalty disorder linked depressive states than psychoses.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Pokies Reform Redux

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Are we finally going to get meaningful reform in this area?

Hopefully, but unlikely. The State Governments, AFL and Melbourne footy clubs are addicted to its income. They won't be happy.

 

[sherb]

Psychologists work on the program and the music of the machines. MH clinicians are amongst the most dangerous in our society.

So many lonely bored depressed people find comfort in a pokie. They're notorious for ripping through a widows fortune. All the people playing them regular go off the scale on that 'depression' test MH clinicians have but fail to relate to actual behavior.

Its more personalty disorder linked depressive states than psychoses.

It is one of the misconceptions that I have often seen stated that depression is linked to poker machines only as an outcome.

That's just not the case. Poker machines are a magnet for people who already suffer from depression.

For someone who suffers depression, the poker machine is a wonderful escape. You can just sit there, switch your brain off to all your battles and worries, and mindlessly bury yourself in the playing of the machine.

As one psychologist explained to me many years ago - it (like pretty much all addictions) is a way of escaping your reality.

I know this from personal experience by the way. On both fronts (depression and poker machines).

 

[little graham]

I know this from personal experience by the way. On both fronts (depression and poker machines).

I was in a relationship with an ex addict. I went to the support groups with her, was working in psych at the time. I've personally seen what they do to lives. They prey on the mentally ill, should be banned.

The machines are designed to manipulate you, by psychologists. If your psychologist cared they would be an activist against pokies. They would of told you their profession is whats stabbing people in the back.

 

[JackOutback]

I've said in other threads that gambling will be the new smoking/drinking in a few years, the ease of access through mobile phones means it may even be more destructive than the other two. Banning it outright is impossible and not something I would agree with, but that said, governments don't need to play any part in promoting it either. I would ban outright ads for gambling, they are entirely misleading and borderline lies anyway.

 

[Slax]

Max betting limits is going to be harder to get through than ad bans, so I suspect that if the push gets too strong we will see the government look to use ad bans as a way of silencing the crossbenches.

As I've posted elsewhere, I want to see a total ban on gambling advertising, it's become such a problem with sport that it has normalised the odds in kids which is what the betting agencies want. I don't care so much about maximum bet limits, the total I've put into pokies in my life would be less than the cost of the alcohol in my liquor cabinet.

 

[Pie eyed]

They should be banned. They target the mentally ill.

That is not alltogether unrealsitic.
The Tuggernong Vikings Rugby Union at erindale club willfully, if not purposefully and with intent let a member who had suffered a brain injury in a car accident gamble the proceeds form the sale of both his father and his mothers houses, left to him as an estate through their poker machines, despite being made fully aware of the members inability to control himself by several other members and friends of the member in question.
Most clubs in Canberra exist solely to garner more poker machine licenses to build more clubs to put more poker machines into to boost the incomes of the administrators. They are little empires in themselves which have little or no link to the community ideals they espoused in their infancy.

Clubs and the pokies in them are a cancer in the ACT.

 

[little graham]

Clubs and the pokies in them are a cancer in the ACT.

The same suburbs listed as depression hotspots are also the highest earning suburbs for pokie venues.

 

[Patrick Bullet]

I don't like the idea of banning gambling altogether but pokies can F off. The piece of s**t machines do nothing for nobody. No skill, decision making, or socialising with others involved. Just insert coins and press a button.

 

[Inferno]

I don't like the idea of banning gambling altogether but pokies can F off. The piece of s**t machines do nothing for nobody. No skill, decision making, or socialising with others involved. Just insert coins and press a button.

I find that there's something naturally off putting about gambling on a pokies machine. It's not like a situation where you're at least somewhat aware of the odds in say roulette or blackjack for example where you can see the result in front of you or betting on sport where there's a set number of outcomes.

I walked through Crown the other week during the day and the amount of elderly people on the pokies was a bit staggering, even more so than the local RSL's/pubs.

 

[kickazz]

Every February the list of large donors to political parties is released, and nobody takes any notice.

Both Labor and LNP get plenty from the Hotels Association every year without fail.

So good luck with that.

 

[iluvparis]

I'm also not sure how much impact banning gambling ads would have as the biggest losses come from the pokie machines and I don't think I ever see them advertised anywhere?

 

[JackOutback]

I'm also not sure how much impact banning gambling ads would have as the biggest losses come from the pokie machines and I don't think I ever see them advertised anywhere?

Evolving times; pokies became popular when clubs and pubs were genuine social hubs. They didn't need to advertise outside the club because the punters would come to them. And the machines were designed to do the advertising. It will be interesting to see what methods they try as their gambling base drops off the perch.

Online and mobile gambling, however, is a new market and they needed to advertise to secure their share of the market. I am confident that in years to come, losses from this type of gambling will dwarf that of pokies. A ban on advertising is a chance to secure the gate before the horse has bolted.

Father Time will deal with pokies.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

I'm also not sure how much impact banning gambling ads would have as the biggest losses come from the pokie machines and I don't think I ever see them advertised anywhere?

More about future losses, due to our kids linking sport and gambling. If you already have a gambling addiction, will only trigger autonomic arousal

 

[Number37]

Local clubs have become just as addicted to pokies as the gamblers.
The only solution is to ban them, except for the Casino. They are a cancer on society.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Local clubs have become just as addicted to pokies as the gamblers.
The only solution is to ban them, except for the Casino. They are a cancer on society.

I hate how RSL's have become booze'n'pokie halls. What better way to get traumatised vets doubly addicted

 

[Number37]

I hate how RSL's have become booze'n'pokie halls. What better way to get traumatised vets doubly addicted

The RSL should take a stand for their members because the AHA will never give up their cash cow.

 

[Pie eyed]

Evolving times; pokies became popular when clubs and pubs were genuine social hubs. They didn't need to advertise outside the club because the punters would come to them. And the machines were designed to do the advertising. It will be interesting to see what methods they try as their gambling base drops off the perch.

Online and mobile gambling, however, is a new market and they needed to advertise to secure their share of the market. I am confident that in years to come, losses from this type of gambling will dwarf that of pokies. A ban on advertising is a chance to secure the gate before the horse has bolted.

Father Time will deal with pokies.

Very true, but government will fall on other gambling to fill the void. We are already bombarded by ads with dickheads like Gary Sweet to "bloke" up losing money like it's something to be proud of and the virus of sports betting on every tv channel championed by "celebrity TV" morons on their payrole

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Very true, but government will fall on other gambling to fill the void. We are already bombarded by ads with dickheads like Gary Sweet to "bloke" up losing money like it's something to be proud of and the virus of sports betting on every tv channel championed by "celebrity TV" morons on their payrole

Ya gotta feel for 'em. If it weren't for his current Bet365 gig Samuel L. Jackson would be livin' off rat soup on skid row

 

[TheKanga]

They should be banned. They target the mentally ill.

Mentally ill and the elderly pumping their pension or life savings into these things.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

That is not alltogether unrealsitic.
The Tuggernong Vikings Rugby Union at erindale club willfully, if not purposefully and with intent let a member who had suffered a brain injury in a car accident gamble the proceeds form the sale of both his father and his mothers houses, left to him as an estate through their poker machines, despite being made fully aware of the members inability to control himself by several other members and friends of the member in question.
Most clubs in Canberra exist solely to garner more poker machine licenses to build more clubs to put more poker machines into to boost the incomes of the administrators. They are little empires in themselves which have little or no link to the community ideals they espoused in their infancy.

Clubs and the pokies in them are a cancer in the ACT.

They could have banned him from Erindale and he could have just gone off to one of their other clubs. iirc, when I left Canberra, Vikings had 3 clubs. Is that still the case? Then of course you have the Raider's clubs.

 

[Grin]

Turnbull will do what he always does: exactly what his puppeteers tell him to.
In this case he has been instructed that there will be no change in gambling legislation.

 

[Maggie5]

From what I read in the previous election, the Hotels Association/Clubs gave a fair amount of funding to all parties with slightly more to the Liberals and Nationals so don't think Labor would be any different sadly.
Will be interesting when the figures for the recent election come out.

 

[madmug]

From what I read in the previous election, the Hotels Association/Clubs gave a fair amount of funding to all parties with slightly more to the Liberals and Nationals so don't think Labor would be any different sadly.
Will be interesting when the figures for the recent election come out.

Herein lays the need for complete & immediate disclosure of all political donations. It is absolutely vital for the sake of our democracy.