BigFooty Official Big Footy 2016 Phantom Draft

[dlanod]

LemmingMaster

yep thats correct. Chance they will take the 40 as well given the space cleared and the cost the vacancies will take up.

Also think its highly likely most / all those spots will be Academy kids. I think some will depend on 'sliders' and kids they are more interested in giving rookie spots to. They have so many picks around 50-60 mark and will get a lot of 'residual selections' that they have great flexibility. Cameron has done a very good job.

Agreed. Going into the trade period I was expecting GWS to aim for one pre-academy pick and maybe four or five academy picks (Setterfield, Perryman, Macreadie and Sproule, with Mutch borderline) but the change in GWS's list rules and the massive clean out makes it obvious they'll be taking at least the above but probably also a couple extra like Cumming and Garthwaite, with others being considered for the rookie list.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Garthwaite would have to be high on the list, GWS have some key defender issues and he looks very solid.

 

[dlanod]

Garthwaite would have to be high on the list, GWS have some key defender issues and he looks very solid.

They have a heap, they just can't keep them on the field.

Davis, Mohr, Tomlinson, Corr, Haynes, Buntine, Himmelberg and Finlayson all tend to play that KPD role in the seniors or reserves, but Davis, Mohr, Corr, Buntine and Haynes have all regularly missed games, Buntine is undersized, Tomlinson only just coming into his KPD role at the end of last year, and the last two are still very young for key position players.

I'm not saying that that will rule out Garthwaite, but if he can stay healthy he's immediately about fifth in the depth chart.

 

[Yojimbo]

Macreadie's star has fallen significantly. It's unlikely he is bid on inside the first 25-30 picks.

You want to bid early on an academy player to force an academy teams hand. You better be prepared to have the bid not matched.

Targeting academy clubs has to be done strategically. It makes no sense to target academy clubs just to "make them pay". You have to look at how many list spots academy clubs expect to fill at the draft, where their draft picks fall and where their academy kids are rated. Next season will see a change in draft strategy for Academy clubs with the new rules coming in.

I was not aware of Macreadie's fall from grace, i was more saying with
around ten academy players to choose from at least make them make
a choice or make that choice as difficult as possible. A lot of the
phantoms include a bid for Bowes at three when all it achieves is a
match and another pick in the fifties back which lessons the deficit
for Scheer.

 

[Knightmare]

I struggle with Drew, and wouldn't take him in within the first three rounds. I feel like he's good at what he does, but doesn't have the versatility or edge to his game. It's getting harder to be an inside player only now and I've seen nothing to suggest he can play another role.

Would not want him playing another role.

Will take his 20 contested possession, 9 tackle games any day through the midfield.

With Drew it's all about who he is rather than who he isn't.

Wouldn't change him and would just let him be the best version of who he is, that he can become. And he will thrive.

 

[doona]

yep thats correct. Chance they will take the 40 as well given the space cleared and the cost the vacancies will take up.

They cleared a ton of space from the cap and their squad in the trade period but didn't they:
a) Have their cap brought in line with the other clubs (earlier then planned as the AFL love making rules on the run) so they had to clean out deadwood to be under the cap. They hadn't planned on this coming in so I assume they were extending out contracts with the higher cap in mind.
b) Bring in Lids on a pretty penny.

Personally I think they will definitely only go in with a list of 38, and if, a big if they have spare cash left over, I would assume they will invest in re-signing players. Then draft rookies. I think they are going to take the same route as the Swans (We the Swans whoever has us, we are guaranteed to only select 4 in this draft and pass on the rest) for example from here and for the foreseeable future have the minimum list size.

 

[Monocle]

Pick 37. West Coast. Brennan Cox. KPP . 194 cm 90 kg. Woodville West Torrens .

Posted up after work as promised.

This was a decision at the start of the mock that I certainly didn't think I would have had to make as I had Cox much higher up on my board and I never contemplated for a moment that he would be available @ pick # 37, but he was and that has caused me to alter my strategy. I would have bet London to a brick that all of the nine picks before # 37 ( with the exception of Essendon ) could have see Cox as a good fit.

This selection has caused some serious consternation amongst the Eagles faithful as many where not impressed that I passed Rotham up. As I indicated in my earlier post it was not an easy decision and I will now elaborate on my thought process. Ok...... Here goes.

I rated both Cox and Rotham as talents on a par.
As a general rule if I rate two prospects that are IMO equal and one is a tall and the other not ,I go the tall..... similarly if one is a local kid and the other an inter stater then I go the local kid, but on this occasions both arguments are countered by each other.

How I viewed this situation.

Neither player plays in a position of immediate need, however both are quality selections and represented best available at this juncture in the draft.
West Coast tall's are pretty well covered.
As for another HBF that may ... and I mean may.... have midfield capabilities I was not completely convinced of the transition.

Cox has been getting better and better as the season unfolded. The former basketballer impressively was named at CHB in the AA championship team.

Cox has some facets of his game that impress:

His marking in particular is a real feature of his game, he reads the ball so well in flight and is very strong overhead in the contested situations. He generally marks cleanly and at the highest point.
His intercept marking is elite.
For a kid 194 cm he is really clean below his knees.
Makes good decisions most of the time and displays composure.
With ball in hand he is also capable of some run and carry on his own or linking up.
He has good skills by either foot or hand.
His agility and ability to move freely in heavy traffic is rarely seen in someone his size.
Cox uses his body well in contested marking situations and whilst this can be taught its better if its instinctive.
Like a lot of basketballer his lateral and peripheral vision in elite.
At 194 cm and 90 kg he is sized up and ready to play....plug in.

But here is the clincher .....he plays both ends.

Why that appeals to me for The Eagles is this.

He presents the match committee with several options in the future.
1. He could join McGovern and Barrass in the backline and good luck other teams beating that trio in the air.
2. He could slot into CHB and allow McGovern to go forward.
3. Cox could go forward himself.

A team with McGovern, Barrass and Cox all young, underpins the spine for better part of the next decade.

Its rare to get a crack at the Under 18 AA CHB and the fact that he can also play as a KPF was just too tantalising a prospect to pass up on because KPP that play both ends don't come around very often.
When they do....you pounce.



Chris25 your up Mate.

 

[DaveLister]

and Rotham slides to Freo, all part of the plan

 

[Snoop Dog]

They cleared a ton of space from the cap and their squad in the trade period but didn't they:
a) Have their cap brought in line with the other clubs (earlier then planned as the AFL love making rules on the run) so they had to clean out deadwood to be under the cap. They hadn't planned on this coming in so I assume they were extending out contracts with the higher cap in mind.
b) Bring in Lids on a pretty penny.

Personally I think they will definitely only go in with a list of 38, and if, a big if they have spare cash left over, I would assume they will invest in re-signing players. Then draft rookies. I think they are going to take the same route as the Swans (We the Swans whoever has us, we are guaranteed to only select 4 in this draft and pass on the rest) for example from here and for the foreseeable future have the minimum list size.

Yeah they could well do it. It was a stroke of genuis getting Palmer to Carlton and Carlton resisted as much as they could. I think you might also find Tigers are paying some of Delidio hence the pick they got. They now have a lot of space and whilst they are back to normal rules in relation to numbers of players and dollars I think they would have a bit of space. Could well go with 38 & 6 and I think it will depend on where the bids come for certain players.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Pick 37. West Coast. Brennan Cox. KPP . 194 cm 90 kg. Woodville West Torrens .

I am at work @*^% so full write up tonight.

In short this was a very difficult decision as I have Cox and Rotham both rated highly.
Will elaborate tonight as to why Cox over Rotham.

The SA Eagle now becomes a WA Eagle.

Chris25 your up Mate.

Rotham nice fit for the Dockers and would have for Collingwood as well. He is a talent. He reads the game well, athletic, gives drive, uses it well and can play a few different roles. He is a better than a late 2nd round. Shows how good this draft could well be......

 

[Chris25]

Would not want him playing another role.

Will take his 20 contested possession, 9 tackle games any day through the midfield.

With Drew it's all about who he is rather than who he isn't.

Wouldn't change him and would just let him be the best version of who he is, that he can become. And he will thrive.

My problem is that I don't think he's elite at the one thing he does. An elite inside midfielder can get by without the versatility, because he's the first picked in the side. I see a bit of Viv Michie in Drew - he had the physical tools and the size to be a quality midfielder, and he was ball magnet at lower levels. But just didn't have the other strings to his bow to step up consistently at the top level.

and Rotham slides to Freo, all part of the plan

Just got home from work, so let me check my list. I wasn't expecting Rotham to be here, so I'll just have to think about the fact that I've already drafted Berry...

 

[DaveLister]

My problem is that I don't think he's elite at the one thing he does. An elite inside midfielder can get by without the versatility, because he's the first picked in the side. I see a bit of Viv Michie in Drew - he had the physical tools and the size to be a quality midfielder, and he was ball magnet at lower levels. But just didn't have the other strings to his bow to step up consistently at the top level.



Just got home from work, so let me check my list. I wasn't expecting Rotham to be here, so I'll just have to think about the fact that I've already drafted Berry...

I had an inkling that Rotham would slide to our second, might be why I rank Scrimshaw and Berry lower at our first. Decent chance it happens in the real thing too. That said I find it hard to believe there won't be a bid on Bowes and 3 or 5, so it's a moot point. I think we'll go best mid available which will likely be the remainder of SPS, Taranto or Brodie.

 

[Arr0w]

Pick 37. West Coast. Brennan Cox. KPP . 194 cm 90 kg. Woodville West Torrens .

I am at work @*^% so full write up tonight.

In short this was a very difficult decision as I have Cox and Rotham both rated highly.
Will elaborate tonight as to why Cox over Rotham.

The SA Eagle now becomes a WA Eagle.

Chris25 your up Mate.

A steal at 37

 

[HBF]

Happy with the Gallucci selection. Doing a good job LM!

 

[2006_Eagles]

Pick 37. West Coast. Brennan Cox. KPP . 194 cm 90 kg. Woodville West Torrens .

I am at work @*^% so full write up tonight.

In short this was a very difficult decision as I have Cox and Rotham both rated highly.
Will elaborate tonight as to why Cox over Rotham.

The SA Eagle now becomes a WA Eagle.

Chris25 your up Mate.

y u no go Rotham

 

[Chris25]

Pick 38 Fremantle - Josh Rotham (192cm, 79kg defender from West Perth)

Alright, I did ponder this selection a bit because of my previous pick of Jarrod Berry. But really, Rotham is too good to pass on. I still rate him top 10, and I'm not just saying that because I'm taking him here. It's in my phantom thread if you don't believe me. The only other player I had rated anywhere near is Harrison Macreadie, but that hardly fills a need either for Fremantle.

The good thing is that him and Berry are very different players. Berry is your strong bodied, hard at it medium defender/midfielder. He'll add legitimate toughness and presence. Rotham is more of your medium/tall third defender with elite athleticism and skills. Ideally, Rotham will add enough bulk that he can take over the Michael Johnson as the third tall/loose man. Something like Alex Pearce/Joel Hamling as the top two defenders, with Rotham and Berry rotating as the #3 and #4, depending on match ups and what's required.

Anyway, about Rotham...he has elite athleticism for someone his size. Not too many 192cm players boast a 2.9 second 20m sprint. He closes quickly on the lead, but also uses it on the rebound. I also personally rate him as one of the better kicks in the draft, definitely above average. His general game sense and decision making is sound too. That sort of ball use and speed is severely lacking in the Fremantle back half. Also very strong overhead, arguably took mark of the year this season. Ability overhead and jumping holds him in very good stead as a defender.

Negatives, his 2016 season wasn't as good as many were expecting. There was talk of him playing more through the midfield, but unfortunately at the Championships he played primarily a defensive role. Which hardly made for exciting viewing. Otherwise, he just needs to add bulk to his skinny frame. I wouldn't be expecting to see much of him in 2017.

Overall though, I think he's a top prospect and one of the better defensive talls. Happy to pick him up this late, he would really make the Fremantle side stronger in more ways than one.

 

[eastfreo75]

Pick 38 Fremantle - Josh Rotham (192cm, 79kg defender from West Perth)

Alright, I did ponder this selection a bit because of my previous pick of Jarrod Berry. But really, Rotham is too good to pass on. I still rate him top 10, and I'm not just saying that because I'm taking him here. It's in my phantom thread if you don't believe me. The only other player I had rated anywhere near is Harrison Macreadie, but that hardly fills a need either for Fremantle.

The good thing is that him and Berry are very different players. Berry is your strong bodied, hard at it medium defender/midfielder. He'll add legitimate toughness and presence. Rotham is more of your medium/tall third defender with elite athleticism and skills. Ideally, Rotham will add enough bulk that he can take over the Michael Johnson as the third tall/loose man. Something like Alex Pearce/Joel Hamling as the top two defenders, with Rotham and Berry rotating as the #3 and #4, depending on match ups and what's required.

Anyway, about Rotham...he has elite athleticism for someone his size. Not too many 192cm players boast a 2.9 second 20m sprint. He closes quickly on the lead, but also uses it on the rebound. I also personally rate him as one of the better kicks in the draft, definitely above average. His general game sense and decision making is sound too. That sort of ball use and speed is severely lacking in the Fremantle back half. Also very strong overhead, arguably took mark of the year this season. Ability overhead and jumping holds him in very good stead as a defender.

Negatives, his 2016 season wasn't as good as many were expecting. There was talk of him playing more through the midfield, but unfortunately at the Championships he played primarily a defensive role. Which hardly made for exciting viewing. Otherwise, he just needs to add bulk to his skinny frame. I wouldn't be expecting to see much of him in 2017.

Overall though, I think he's a top prospect and one of the better defensive talls. Happy to pick him up this late, he would really make the Fremantle side stronger in more ways than one.

love you Chris

 

[AFLprospectss]

St Kilda bid on Harrison Macreadie


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[Knightmare]

Agree I'm not a big fan. Don't agree at all with KM saying his acceleration is a strength- it was well below average in his testing, especially over the first 5-10metres!! (acceleration). Kicking is poor, contested work is good- but Pies don't take a tall or Rotham there is very surprising.

Don't rate Rotham. Not key position height/size.

Pace isn't important to Drew's game. Like Priddis, he wins it at the coalface. I haven't seen his testing and it actually surprises me that he rates so low over the first 5-10m. At speed in game off half-back a few times he appeared to have more than satisfactory pace, just using it sparingly, in a role he is not at all suited to.

My problem is that I don't think he's elite at the one thing he does. An elite inside midfielder can get by without the versatility, because he's the first picked in the side. I see a bit of Viv Michie in Drew - he had the physical tools and the size to be a quality midfielder, and he was ball magnet at lower levels. But just didn't have the other strings to his bow to step up consistently at the top level.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up lack of versatility with Drew.

He is poor down back and why he played Vic Country and the during the exhibition match before the grand final off half-back I don't know. Outside of the midfield I quite like him up forward. He kicked 14 goals from 16 games as primarily a midfielder, occasionally pushing forward for small patches, which plenty + his marking overhead was also good. He wins the ground balls + tackles harder than anyone in this draft. So I'd have no problem with Drew while clearly as per a Priddis best used as an onballer, he can play his 15-20% of gametime forward and contribute there. He just isn't changing the complexion of the game as he consistently does through the midfield.

I see no Viv Michie in Drew.

Drew wins more than 50% of the ball in the contest with his game all about those contested and hard elements. That's not Michie who has lean contested ball winning and tackling numbers.

To compare Drew to Michie is completely ignoring what Drew does or how he plays stylistically.

 

[Chris25]

Drew wins more than 50% of the ball in the contest with his game all about those contested and hard elements. That's not Michie who has lean contested ball winning and tackling numbers.

To compare Drew to Michie is completely ignoring what Drew does or how he plays stylistically.

Michie averaged 10 clearances a game in his final season at Peel. He was a very good contested player when he got to lead the midfield at WAFL level, but not something he got to routinely show at AFL level because he wasn't a top 5 quality midfielder. That's where I potentially see Drew going too. That's why I mentioned Michie, I wasn't looking solely at stats. But more about the role they play.

 

[grundog49]

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Luke Ryan
Coburg VFL
Medium Defender/Midfielder
Height: 185 cm Weight: 82 kg D.O.B: 7/2/96

2016 Statistics:

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Bio:
After starring for Coburg during this year, Luke Ryan has quickly become one of the best mature age prospects in the country. After a 2015 campaign for the Calder Cannons, Ryan tried out for Essendon VFL and after being rejected eventually joined Coburg two weeks before the season. Ryan didn't take too long to make his presence felt as he forced his way into the VFL senior side and earnt best on ground honors on debut against Hawthorns affiliate club, Box Hill. Fast forward to the end of the season and he has a handful of accolades including a Fothergill-Round medal and a spot in the VFL team of the year in a back pocket. Luke Ryan is a classy defender who can intercept the football and use the ball well from defensive 50.

Why did the Swans take him?
Luke Ryan just fits needs and could be that crucial cog to their next great team. Right now the Swans midfield has a big hole to fill with Tom Mitchell defecting and a player that could fill that role is potentially Callum Mills. After starring off half back all year, Cal might be ready to slip into that midfield and Ryan may allow that to happen as he can just step straight into that lineup to play Callum Mills' role in 2016.

Who else did I consider?
Obviously I bid on Harry Perryman and believed he might play a similar role to Perryman if given the chance. Others I considered are Gallucci and Rotham who both are prestigious talents but don't fill the needs of the swans as well as Ryan.

Profile is up

 

[Snoop Dog]

He's all yours Pie 4 Life.

Daicos is yours.

Too early for mine.

Wow....I am suprised by this. If nothing else Collingwood trade strategy was aimed to ensure they had the picks to accomodate both boys from the early 30's onwards.

For Collingwood a pick #36 would have resulted in them only handing over #45 to match the bid (and would have had a late residual selection), making him in reality worth #45. That suggests you dont rate him at #44 or anywhere near it.

 

[Snoop Dog]

St Kilda bid on Harrison Macreadie


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Heading to meeting. It will be matched. Keep rolling.

 

[AFLprospectss]

St Kilda bid on Callum Brown with pick 40 (NOT MATCHED)

NAME: Callum Brown
HEIGHT: 177cm
WEIGHT: 69kg
CLUB: Eastern Ranges/ Bulleden Templestowe

BIO:
Callum is the son of Collingwood great Gavin Brown. After a playing his bottom age year as a small forward, Callum has moved into the midfield this year to great effect, winning the contested ball playing a more inside role. He is the cleanest player below his knees in this year’s draft (27/30 in clean hands test, equal second) and loves the contest, with an outstanding football IQ that sets him apart in congestion. Although not quick, Brown is hard to tackle while also possessing great evasiveness skills. Despite being described as non-athletic, I was impressed by his vertical leap of 68 at the national combine, gaining equal 5th with Shai Bolton. Brown averaged 24 disposals, 5 clearances and over 4 tackles a game throughout the TAC while in his 4 games for Vic Metro, he had nearly 19 disposals a game, 4 clearances and 3.5 tackles earning him all Australian honours.

RATIONALE:
there is always that one game or moment that sticks in your head with kids, and I loved how Callum stood up late in the game for Metro against Country to run over the top of them after having a 27 disposal, 8 clearance and a crucial late goal game. I see him as a better small forward then the current St Kilda crop (besides Gresham) but with my other picks (I hope) will develop a strong midfield which I will list off at the end of the draft. Will need to put some size on but they might struggle to hold this kid back in 2017, wherever he may end up.

OTHERS CONSIDERED?:
after a failed bid on Macreadie, I then bid on Brown hoping to win and I did. If that didn’t eventuate I would have drafted Taylin Duman.

 

[Knightmare]

St Kilda bid on Callum Brown


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Have players rated higher on my draft board remaining.

All yours.