Political Discussion

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fair enough, I understand what you were doing now, but it's not what I was asking. Even the dullest amongst us can work out how decisions made in the US will influence Australia. I'm keen for the super passionate, anti-Trump people to explain how his policies will impact us in a different way to Clinton's. And not because I have a pre-determined view, I sit here completely ignorant because I couldn't give a shit because I don't understand their system. But if someone can explain rationally why they're so passionate either way, then I'm more than happy to learn. But, as I said earlier, it seems more a tenet than a rationally formed view.

Almost like our parties aren't providing enough difference to get worked up over, so perhaps people are seeking it elsewhere.

I doubt there will be a major difference between them, but time will tell.

I'm not a fan of Trump, but imo he won't do most of the things he talked about in the election... which probably makes him a perfect politician.

 

[1970crow]

A legit tweet from the Russian Embassy confirmed by the ABC's Latika Bourke...

We run across quite the number of Americans in sunny Alice Springs. All I've heard is that very few wanted Trump and equally as few wanted Clinton. The people who'd vote Clinton's party did not want a bar of her and the Trump side thought he was a tool. I'm near convinced it's a religious type belief between the 2 amongst the average interested Australian. Would.Not.Have.A.Clue, but love to be heard on any matter that allows an increased outrage level.

 

[1970crow]

I doubt there will be a major difference between them, but time will tell.

I'm not a fan of Trump, but imo he won't do most of the things he talked about in the election... which probably makes him a perfect politician.

I'd expect he'll make a shit politician and a very frustrated President. He's used to being the King, where his word is gospel, I doubt that he'll find a similar system when he takes over.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd expect he'll make a shit politician and a very frustrated President. He's used to being the King, where his word is gospel, I doubt that he'll find a similar system when he takes over.

Well he has got some of his family well paying jobs, so they should be happy.

I think he is used to taking more & delivering less, so he should be well prepared.

Aren't the republicans likely to have a majority in both houses at some stage, so that will help him get his way... as Obama regularly had his policies blocked.

 

[1970crow]

Well he has got some of his family well paying jobs, so they should be happy.

I think he is used to taking more & delivering less, so he should be well prepared.

Aren't the republicans likely to have a majority in both houses at some stage, so that will help him get his way... as Obama regularly had his policies blocked.

If they control both houses that would certainly magnify his influence. Assuming he controls the party, as opposed to the other way around. That does make it interesting. See, I'm learning.

 

[diligaf473]

You'd only need to open Facebook or any alt-right website - or the comments section of the Daily Telegraph or any banner at a Trump rally - to see that very widely said.

I understand that, I didn't think I'd see a comment like that in the Non-Crows AFL Discussion thread on our board.

 

[Deaneus!]

I have learned something though, deaneus has googled and it appears as though both houses of US parliament need to agree to go to war, so neither candidate would have had unilateral power in that regard. So any further war mongering as described by Kristof looks to be off the table.

Well the last time they both agreed in this fashion was 1942; since then off the top of my head Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan.

There must be some other mechanism to allow military action - more google required - but as for warmongering, I recall Bush saying "you're either with us or against us" and everyone merrily falling into line despite zero evidence 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq.

EDIT: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

 

[1970crow]

Well the last time they both agreed in this fashion was 1942; since then off the top of my head Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan.

There must be some other mechanism to allow military action - more google required - but as for warmongering, I recall Bush saying "you're either with us or against us" and everyone merrily falling into line despite zero evidence 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq.

EDIT: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

Have you seen Charlie Wilson's War. One of the greatest flicks of all time. Philip Seymour Hoffman was absolutely amazing. Anyway, please do more research, perhaps UN agrreance us somehow relevant. At least recently.

 

[Deaneus!]

Have you seen Charlie Wilson's War. One of the greatest flicks of all time. Philip Seymour Hoffman was absolutely amazing. Anyway, please do more research, perhaps UN agrreance us somehow relevant. At least recently.

Going to watch it shortly now.

Wiki link has a section: "Military engagements authorized by United Nations Security Council Resolutions and funded by Congress" which contains Korean War and Iraq 1;

 

[jenny61_99]

Obviously?

You don't know what the **** I'm doing so don't pretend you know.

She had the chance to retract and didn't. You might think she's a saint but obviously she isn't.

Who ever said I was a saint??? Certainly NEVER me!

I have never, ever wished for harm to come to any person in my entire life. I was being facetious, but only just. The man terrifies me.

 

[1970crow]

Going to watch it shortly now.

Wiki link has a section: "Military engagements authorized by United Nations Security Council Resolutions and funded by Congress" which contains Korean War and Iraq 1;

See, we're getting somewhere now. There's an awesome scene with PSH when he rolls in to complain about not getting a posting he thought he deserved. Great stuff. I watch it as much as I watch the final 3 meaningful songs of Pitch Perfect.

 

[1970crow]

Who ever said I was a saint??? Certainly NEVER me!

I have never, ever wished for harm to come to any person in my entire life. I was being facetious, but only just. The man terrifies me.

Why does he terrify you?

 

[jenny61_99]

Why does he terrify you?

Are you serious?

 

[1970crow]

Are you serious?

Serious. I have NFI. But if you could explain why he does you, then you'd be the first to provide meaningful reasoning. When I ask this question, the discussion normally ceases at your reply above with nothing of substance forthcoming.

 

[jenny61_99]

Serious. I have NFI. But if you could explain why he does you, then you'd be the first to provide meaningful reasoning. When I ask this question, the discussion normally ceases at your reply above with nothing of substance forthcoming.

Well let's see. He's a narcissist, a racist, a mysoginist, a liar, a cheat, and a bankrupt. He lacks compassion and empathy. He does not believe in equality on any level. He has no ability to think at a deeper level than "Trump wants, Trump gets". He has no capacity for diplomacy. His inability to communicate effectively with foreign leaders will almost certainly lead to conflict. His explosive demeanour will be his greatest weakness in a job that requires great levels of calm and rational thinking. He will be, in my opinion, disastrous for us all.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Well let's see. He's a narcissist, a racist, a mysoginist, a liar, a cheat, and a bankrupt. He lacks compassion and empathy. He does not believe in equality on any level. He has no ability to think at a deeper level than "Trump wants, Trump gets". He has no capacity for diplomacy. His inability to communicate effectively with foreign leaders will almost certainly lead to conflict. His explosive demeanour will be his greatest weakness in a job that requires great levels of calm and rational thinking. He will be, in my opinion, disastrous for us all.

Sounds like Kevin Rudd - so I see your point.

 

[jenny61_99]

Sounds like Kevin Rudd - so I see your point.

Rudd was many of these things.

 

[Bicks]

 

[Mego Red]

IF the Russians hacked the Democrats?

I didn't think any rational human still doubted that. I haven't read any credible media reports that have doubted what the CIA has briefed the government on.

 

[Mego Red]

"The best single predictor of Trump support in the Republican primary is the absence of a college degree.” Education – or the lack of it – seemed to be propelling the Trump bandwagon.

The possibility that education has become a fundamental divide in democracy – with the educated on one side and the less educated on another – is an alarming prospect. It points to a deep alienation that cuts both ways. The less educated fear they are being governed by intellectual snobs who know nothing of their lives and experiences. The educated fear their fate may be decided by know-nothings who are ignorant of how the world really works. Bringing the two sides together is going to be very hard.

Recent polling puts Trump’s lead over Clinton among white men without a college degree at a sobering 76 to 19.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

 

[Deaneus!]

Russia didn't take Reagan seriously either... until

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...walker-records-show-soviets-treated-ronald-r/

This kinda feels the same, like when Trump took Taiwan's call, but I'm in the "Russia's got blackmail material" on him camp ATM

EDIT: whoops except no one can find these documents that "prove it"... although I'd heard this story before too

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Russia didn't take Reagan seriously either... until

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...walker-records-show-soviets-treated-ronald-r/

This kinda feels the same, like when Trump took Taiwan's call, but I'm in the "Russia's got blackmail material" on him camp ATM

EDIT: whoops except no one can find these documents that "prove it"... although I'd heard this story before too

So the US have expelled the Russian diplomats.. & Putin has invited them to a party.

Putin is not responding in kind with Trump coming into power.

The 2 egos appear to be getting on... for now.

 

[Bicks]

"The best single predictor of Trump support in the Republican primary is the absence of a college degree.” Education – or the lack of it – seemed to be propelling the Trump bandwagon.

The possibility that education has become a fundamental divide in democracy – with the educated on one side and the less educated on another – is an alarming prospect. It points to a deep alienation that cuts both ways. The less educated fear they are being governed by intellectual snobs who know nothing of their lives and experiences. The educated fear their fate may be decided by know-nothings who are ignorant of how the world really works. Bringing the two sides together is going to be very hard.

Recent polling puts Trump’s lead over Clinton among white men without a college degree at a sobering 76 to 19.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

Education and degrees are not the sole indicators of intelligence...

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Education and degrees are not the sole indicators of intelligence...

Nor are they an appropriate indicator of intelligence, especially in the US where College degrees are practically out there f reach to those not so well off.

 

[Mego Red]

Education and degrees are not the sole indicators of intelligence...

Never suggested they were.

Surely we could agree they're AN indicator. You can argue that college is expensive in the US - but every state has state colleges that are affordable as well as community colleges. If you're curious and committed to educating and improving yourself, there are ample opportunities.