Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

[threesixpio]

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Not convinced that if he becomes a top ten player we have sold the farm either

 

[VandoHawk]

Generally speaking we're usually bang on with our early picks...

Just saying...

Ooooh mate that's a contentious can of worms to open. For early picks I'm going to go ahead and qualify anything inside the first round here.

2001: Hodge
2002: Brennan
2003: No First Round Pick
2004: Roughead, Franklin, Lewis
2005: Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey
2006: Thorp
2007: Rioli
2008: Shoey
2009: No First Round Pick
2010: Smithy
2011: No First Round Pick
2012: No First Round Pick
2013: No First Round Pick
2014: No First Round Pick
2015: Burton, Lovell
2016: No First Round Pick

Superstars: Hodge, Roughead, Frankin, Lewis, Rioli
Bordering on Elite: Birchall, Smith
Serviceable: Bailey, Ellis, Shoey
Duds: Thorp, Dowler, Brennan
Lookin' Good: Burton, Lovell (once out of 36)

2004 Draft was a cracker, but you don't always get A-Grade superstars. If you take out the 2004 draft then things become a lot more hit and miss.

 

[Cyriliffic]

Not convinced that if he becomes a top ten player we have sold the farm either

If he were to become a top three player then I'd agree with you...

If we weren't in the current situation that we're in and changing the guard so to speak then the hefty price would sting so much but given that we last Mitchell and Lewis last year, with more retirements to come then it's obviously going to hurt us more...

If he were OOC a year ago and we picked him up them let him spend a year recovering then that would be nowhere near as costly...

Anyway good luck to the kid and wish him all the best!!!

 

[threesixpio]

If he were to become a top three player then I'd agree with you...

If we weren't in the current situation that we're in and changing the guard so to speak then the hefty price would sting so much but given that we last Mitchell and Lewis last year, with more retirements to come then it's obviously going to hurt us more...

If he were OOC a year ago and we picked him up them let him spend a year recovering then that would be nowhere near as costly...

Anyway good luck to the kid and wish him all the best!!!

Ok. So he has to be a top 3 rather than top 10

 

[Mr Lizard]

Q. What do you get if you cross Brent Guerra with Nick Riewoldt?

A. Guru.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Q. What do you get if you cross Brent Guerra with Nick Riewoldt?

A. Guru.

And 2 Premierships

 

[Cyriliffic]

Ooooh mate that's a contentious can of worms to open. For early picks I'm going to go ahead and qualify anything inside the first round here.

2001: Hodge
2002: Brennan
2003: No First Round Pick
2004: Roughead, Franklin, Lewis
2005: Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey
2006: Thorp
2007: Rioli
2008: Shoey
2009: No First Round Pick
2010: Smithy
2011: No First Round Pick
2012: No First Round Pick
2013: No First Round Pick
2014: No First Round Pick
2015: Burton, Lovell
2016: No First Round Pick

Superstars: Hodge, Roughead, Frankin, Lewis, Rioli
Bordering on Elite: Birchall, Smith
Serviceable: Bailey, Ellis, Shoey
Duds: Thorp, Dowler, Brennan
Lookin' Good: Burton, Lovell (once out of 36)

2004 Draft was a cracker, but you don't always get A-Grade superstars. If you take out the 2004 draft then things become a lot more hit and miss.

See by early picks I'd be more inclined to say top ten...

 

[Cyriliffic]

Q. What do you get if you cross Brent Guerra with Nick Riewoldt?

A. Guru.

Hahahahaha!!!

Nice one

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If he were to become a top three player then I'd agree with you...

If we weren't in the current situation that we're in and changing the guard so to speak then the hefty price would sting so much but given that we last Mitchell and Lewis last year, with more retirements to come then it's obviously going to hurt us more...

If he were OOC a year ago and we picked him up them let him spend a year recovering then that would be nowhere near as costly...

Anyway good luck to the kid and wish him all the best!!!

That's the weirdest scale ever. The difference between the 3rd best player in the league and 6th best player in the league would be utterly marginal and based on personal opinion. If O'Meara becomes a top 10 player in the AFL I'll be ****ing stoked.

 

[threesixpio]

If you crossed Teddy Whitten with Riewoldt you'd get Roo-Ted

 

[Soft as malaxos]

If you crossed Teddy Whitten with Riewoldt you'd get Roo-Ted

Now there's a player who would stick it right up em !

 

[Davo23]

See by early picks I'd be more inclined to say top ten...

Ha ha, mate, very funny.
I love the fact that you've joined this forum 5 minutes ago and are actively arguing with us here.

You troll much?

 

[bluespooner]

Burton was never meant to be able to run again, we took a risk picking him last year and managed the injury all year last year and look how that's turned out so far. Burgoyne another example. It's only round 6 you're worrying a year too early.

How did Muston turn out?

 

[Hawthorn United]

A little extreme, but given the lottery of drafting, who cares about punting a first round pick to get a generational player on to our list.

If it works, it will be amazing, if not, you can pretend we used the pick on another gumbleton or thorp and it's a break even

But you've given up on the competency of our recruiters to find an elite player with an early pick.

We could easily pick up the next Buddy, Bontempelli, Sloane, Fyfe.

If we can't find an elite with an early pick, then we're not going to do any better with a late pick, where it's most likely to find role players.

 

[Gralin]

How did Muston turn out?

If you can't tell the difference in their career trajectories I'm not sure what anyone on here can say.

Muston never played more than 5 games in a row. He went backwards pretty fast after his first two games.

Burton had already played 6 in a row and you can see him improving.

He has his pace, he has agility and he has bucketloads of talent

 

[bluespooner]

If you can't tell the difference in their career trajectories I'm not sure what anyone on here can say.

Justin never played more than 5 games in a row. He went backwards pretty fast after his first two games.

Burton had already played 6 in a row and you can see him improving.

He has his pace, he has agility and he has bucketloads of talent

I think wires have got mixed here. Who's Justin?

My point was concerning the blind faith that posters seem to place in Hawthorn's medical staff in getting it right with their due diligence in picking up injured players. They have a good track record but it isn't perfect e.g. Beau Muston.

For the record I think O'Meara is tracking pretty well given from where he has come. I wasn't expecting him to start the season and I think the expectation for him should be low for this season. This season should be about getting his confidence back in his body while out on a football field.

As to the larger argument playing out here with respect to what the club gave up for O'Meara - I think the club has to do everything it can to get A grade talent especially if a player expresses a desire to play there. Despite this I think the club has overpaid and that trade with the aints was the worst I've seen - said it at the time too.

 

[econodog]

But you've given up on the competency of our recruiters to find an elite player with an early pick.

We could easily pick up the next Buddy, Bontempelli, Sloane, Fyfe.

If we can't find an elite with an early pick, then we're not going to do any better with a late pick, where it's most likely to find role players.

Fair call, I'll concede that point only thing I would add is I would think our list management team would also have been involved in getting JOM?

I know it doesn't refute what you said, but they must have all been excited at the prospect - it wasn't a captains call from clarko like dewy, was it?

 

[Gralin]

I think wires have got mixed here. Who's Justin?

My point was concerning the blind faith that posters seem to place in Hawthorn's medical staff in getting it right with their due diligence in picking up injured players. They have a good track record but it isn't perfect e.g. Beau Muston.

For the record I think O'Meara is tracking pretty well given from where he has come. I wasn't expecting him to start the season and I think the expectation for him should be low for this season. This season should be about getting his confidence back in his body while out on a football field.

As to the larger argument playing out here with respect to what the club gave up for O'Meara - I think the club has to do everything it can to get A grade talent especially if a player expresses a desire to play there. Despite this I think the club has overpaid and that trade with the aints was the worst I've seen - said it at the time too.

Yeah meant to say Muston.

Your comment on how Burton was tracking was see Muston.

About all Muston and Burton have in common is that they were injured as Juniors.
Muston came to the club with a knee that needed more surgery due to the reconstruction not being great, he then did his knee again.

So you are talking about a guy who had three knee reco's

Burton didn't do an ACL, he had a very nasty injury but completely different at the same time.

Jaeger is different again. It's not just the injuries, or the surgeries or the players bodies that are different either.

Pointing at Muston sounds like you are hoping Jaeger and Burton fail.

What about the serious injuries that players have come back from at this club? Burgoyne came on crutches, Rough snapped his Achilles. Buddy, Birch, Stratton all did pretty good damage to knees/legs and are still going.

 

[bluespooner]

Yeah meant to say Muston.

Your comment on how Burton was tracking was see Muston.

I think Burton is doing fine given where he has come from and really wasn't expressing an opinion about him. I always thought he was worth the punt too given the wraps on him as a junior and being a likely top 3 draft pick.

The club has a good track record but I mentioned Muston because they haven't always got it right; and O'Meara's rehabilitation may be the most challenging of the lot.

As for the comment about wanting O'Meara and Burton to be unsuccessful - well, that couldn't be further from what I would hope.

 

[dipper86]

The only thing I'm concerned about regarding JOM is that he has missed 2 years in his development years of football, if this year continues it will be 3. For a player turning 24 and entering his prime years of football I fear he may not reach the level we paid for him or the level he was capable off.
It was idiotic what we paid for him and the media campaign rating him as 2 first round rounders or a very early first round pick was bizarre. This compensation is what you pay for the best. Not a player that has injury concerns and has missed the past 2 years of football.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

The only thing I'm concerned about regarding JOM is that he has missed 2 years in his development years of football, if this year continues it will be 3. For a player turning 24 and entering his prime years of football I fear he may not reach the level we paid for him or the level he was capable off.
It was idiotic what we paid for him and the media campaign rating him as 2 first round rounders or a very early first round pick was bizarre. This compensation is what you pay for the best. Not a player that has injury concerns and has missed the past 2 years of football.

Deep inhale and relax, all done now and to worry about what is done only adds to heartburn, unless it all turns out well then its all beer and skittles.
Have faith I'd say.

 

[QuietB]

But you've given up on the competency of our recruiters to find an elite player with an early pick.

We could easily pick up the next Buddy, Bontempelli, Sloane, Fyfe.

If we can't find an elite with an early pick, then we're not going to do any better with a late pick, where it's most likely to find role players.

Fyfe was pick 20. Sloane was pick 44.

Watts, McCartin, Swallow, Kruzer, Gibbs were all pick 1.

The draft is a raffle.

I still want draft picks though. The key is to have enough tickets.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Very concerned that the club is mentioning he has to only be physically ready but mentally... seems to imply he is not trusting his knee..

 

[Siri]

Very concerned that the club is mentioning he has to only be physically ready but mentally... seems to imply he is not trusting his knee..

It was interesting to hear that Clarko flatly denied any mental issues with Jaeger in his post game interview, but the following day Hodge confirmed that he needed to not only get his body right, but also get his mind right. I hope it's only a physical condition as a lack of confidence in your body, ability, standing etc. can have a devastating effect on your career.

 

[Hawthorn United]

Fyfe was pick 20. Sloane was pick 44.

Watts, McCartin, Swallow, Kruzer, Gibbs were all pick 1.

The draft is a raffle.

I still want draft picks though. The key is to have enough tickets.

That's due to recruiting/scouting mistakes and the benefit of hindsight.

Having pick 1 meant you could have picked up Fyfe or Sloane. Having a much later pick, means these players are already gone or you're relying on teams above you to mess up their picks.