Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

[tige19]

Lohnro never upgraded the mares he covered so at least your old man started out with him the right way with a stakes winning mare.

It was a few years back now, when there was bit more hype around his stud ability. He was a great looking colt, muscular and round through the chest like a lot of Lohros, problem is the piece of rubbish never made it to the race track. The group has had a few good ones though, a few made it to city class Saturday meets but nothing special. A good mate of mine purchased 3% of Starspangledbanner and made a good amount of money when they sold him, I think it was around 70-80k.

 

[threesixpio]

But the worst of all of them is the poster that whinges about all the other types of posters. By an absolute street.

Arrr but what about the poster who whinges about the posters who whinge about whinging posters ay?

Gotcha Grumbles

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

 

[tige19]

The problem you have is understanding the concept of risk. If 99 out of 100 bourses sired by lonhro out of stakes winning mares returned positive investments, the rational thing to do is buy the horse. That the horse flops does not make the decision wrong.

Same with jom, you can't judge your decision making process based on one bad outcome. Not that it is time to make a judgment. You make decisions based on information available at the time. Decisions carry risk and may not work out so you do everything to mitigate risks. I'm sure the club was very diligent and had available the best medical advice. What we didn't have is the answer to the million dollar question, how will he respond to the week to week grind. We knew how he will probably respond based on observable soundness of the knee and so we based our decision on that. Even if this doesn't work out, claiming it is simply the wrong call to have recruited him is actually saying you don't value rational decision making because based on the best available data jom was the right call.

Thanks for the response mate.

My question is though, was the pursuit of JOM really a calculated risk? Was it more arrogance from our end that we believed our medicos are that far advanced of the Suns medicos that we could do essentially what they couldn't? Let's be real, all clubs have elite docs/high performances staff and physios, most of which have gone through a decade of education and up-skilling. If the available evidence suggested that Jags was subject to regular break downs (as was the case at the GC) when loading that knee, why did we think we could work a magic wand and get him 100%?

We worked wonders in the past with players, we have fixed hamstrings, ACL's, Achilles and shoulders, however from reading what I have about Patellas this is an extremely diverse, difficult, intricate and rare injury. I don't think in the history of our club we have had this type of injury to deal with? So, was it a touch of arrogance in the belief that we could buck the history trend of Jags or was it a genuine, whole heartedly belief that there would be no medium/long term risk in bringing him to the club?

 

[threesixpio]

Thanks for the response mate.

My question is though, was the pursuit of JOM really a calculated risk? Was it more arrogance from our end that we believed our medicos are that far advanced of the Suns medicos that we could do essentially what they couldn't? Let's be real, all clubs have elite docs/high performances staff and physios, most of which have gone through a decade of education and up-skilling. If the available evidence suggested that Jags was subject to regular break downs (as was the case at the GC) when loading that knee, why did we think we could work a magic wand and get him 100%?

We worked wonders in the past with players, we have fixed hamstrings, ACL's, Achilles and shoulders, however from reading what I have about Patellas this is an extremely diverse, difficult, intricate and rare injury. I don't think in the history of our club we have had this type of injury to deal with? So, was it a touch of arrogance in the belief that we could buck the history trend of Jags or was it a genuine, whole heartedly belief that there would be no medium/long term risk in bringing him to the club?

I find it hard to believe it was arrogance but at the end of the day it's impossible to know really. It's waaaaaaaay too early to come close to concluding this

 

[Mr Lizard]

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

and so on...

 

[tige19]

In the NFL the Patella injury has been an instant career killer, not many have been able to come back and contribute but I did find this article which has given hope.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...atellar-tendon-no-longer-a-career-death-knell

It's worth noting the Cruz was pretty poor last season and was having calf problems and subsequently dumped by the Giants, he has lost a lot of speed. Morris Claiborne barely get's on the field, he has had shocking groin issues however Jimmy Graham has fought back to reach All-Pro levels.

 

[Brishawk]

Both you guys just tried to put this thread back on track and went all serious again.
Why?

Sorry I just opened up to last read page!

We still doing the Beatles song references or have we moved on?

 

[grumbleguts]

Arrr but what about the poster who whinges about the posters who whinge about whinging posters ay?

Gotcha Grumbles

This could be in a Dr Seuss book

Except of course
Remember this
Wasn't whinging,
Taking piss.

Having sooks is fun of course
It's how me make our day
O'Meara cannot use the force
The cause of some dismay

I do not like these sad complaints
of green eggs and hams and bacons
I do not like them evermore
I don't! O'Rourke Awakens.

 

[threesixpio]

This thread has officially gone bananas.

lol

 

[HeHateMe]

Did you know dr seuss wasn't actually a doctor.

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[threesixpio]

Did you know dr seuss wasn't actually a doctor.

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So he wasn't an arrogant medico I take it?

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Anytime you invest in anything in life and the investment doesn't pay dividends as you like then you get concerned, when the investment doesn't make it out of 1st base at its infancy it's hard to imagine it maturing.

If you're the type of investor who panics at the performance of a 5+ year investment 4 months in, most quality financial planners wouldn't touch you're money with a ten foot pole.
This investment is long term and made with a high probability of poor short term performance, but that should balance out longer term.

 

[tige19]

If you're the type of investor who panics at the performance of a 5+ year investment 4 months in, most quality financial planners wouldn't touch you're money with a ten foot pole.

Luckily I have no need for one.

Any decent financial planner would look at the associated risks and advise to steer clear, as you probably know financial planners, like accountants are conservative and cautious. Nice try though.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Luckily I have no need for one.

Any decent financial planner would look at the associated risks and advise to steer clear, as you probably know financial planners, like accountants are conservative and cautious. Nice try though.

Ok.
Enjoy your pity party Warren.

 

[tige19]

Ok.
Enjoy your pity party Warren.

Errrr ok.. Cool story

 

[threesixpio]

I reckon O'Meara would go to a Bank Patella to look into an investment............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[MrPremiership]

So.......thoughts on WHEN he will be back this year?
Will he be back this year?

 

[threesixpio]

Some time after the bye.

(He he. That could be any time really. )

I reckon it will be the first Melbourne game whatever that is. Just a hunch.

 

[hawks realist]

So.......thoughts on WHEN he will be back this year?
Will he be back this year?

Was gonna ask the same thing,must have been one helluva "knock" on the knee

Obviously no rush getting him back in now but would be nice to know how he's traveling

 

[Brishawk]

Thanks for the response mate.

My question is though, was the pursuit of JOM really a calculated risk? Was it more arrogance from our end that we believed our medicos are that far advanced of the Suns medicos that we could do essentially what they couldn't? Let's be real, all clubs have elite docs/high performances staff and physios, most of which have gone through a decade of education and up-skilling. If the available evidence suggested that Jags was subject to regular break downs (as was the case at the GC) when loading that knee, why did we think we could work a magic wand and get him 100%?

We worked wonders in the past with players, we have fixed hamstrings, ACL's, Achilles and shoulders, however from reading what I have about Patellas this is an extremely diverse, difficult, intricate and rare injury. I don't think in the history of our club we have had this type of injury to deal with? So, was it a touch of arrogance in the belief that we could buck the history trend of Jags or was it a genuine, whole heartedly belief that there would be no medium/long term risk in bringing him to the club?

I can't give you a definitive answer as I'm not in the club. However, Russell isn't your average high performance manager. He is the best of the best. He has two more premierships than Clarko and an incredible record getting players on the park. There are misses along the way but also he is working with human beings who have differing interests in their own recovery. I know they talked to jom's surgeon and I know structurally he is sound. I confident they made a rational decision based on the latest research and best medical advice. It's all we can ask. It will certainly suck if he doesn't ever get back to full capability but I'm sure we will adapt and recover.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If you're the type of investor who panics at the performance of a 5+ year investment 4 months in, most quality financial planners wouldn't touch you're money with a ten foot pole.
This investment is long term and made with a high probability of poor short term performance, but that should balance out longer term.

Luckily I have no need for one.

Any decent financial planner would look at the associated risks and advise to steer clear, as you probably know financial planners, like accountants are conservative and cautious. Nice try though.

Speaking from a position of authority (for once!) - neither of you have dealt with many financial planners. Financial planners aren't that conservative or cautious nor are they discerning when it comes taking on clients who will pay them money. Granted this is a sweeping statement and there are prudent and ethical ones out there - but mostly financial planners love money so if you are going to pay them they will deal with you.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Speaking from a position of authority (for once!) - neither of you have dealt with many financial planners. Financial planners aren't that conservative or cautious nor are they discerning when it comes taking on clients who will pay them money. Granted this is a sweeping statement and there are prudent and ethical ones out there - but mostly financial planners love money so if you are going to pay them they will deal with you.

Mine will turn you away, he can't balance the risk short term. Hence why I said 'most quality'. However he's a close relative and has filled me in on the working of some his less scrupulous peers, of which you speak and I agree. Admittedly that's my limit of experience with them.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Mine will turn you away, he can't balance the risk short term. Hence why I said 'most quality'. However he's a close relative and has filled me in on the working is some his less scrupulous peers, of which you speak and I agree.

There's definitely some like yours - sadly they are not representative of the industry. I am so glad that an advantage of my tenure in the industry is having to never rely on one myself.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Given Russell said he is doing a training block and has not started skills work, surely he's at least 3 - 4 still...

 

[Fetnarr]

Given Russell said he is doing a training block and has not started skills work, surely he's at least 3 - 4 still...

2-3 now hopefully as he said that a week ago!