Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[DangerousD]

Your in dreamland jones not worth much at all but hawks 1st pick(currently 2)thanks to your improved form plus our first would be very enticing to a club (giants)who has no first at all

Your picks or ours are irrelevant if he chooses another club.

 

[DangerousD]

As every week goes by, it should become that little clearer as to who stays and who may go;

Seniors: Gorringe, Armfield, Palmer (If he did come on board for just the one year) = 3
Rookies: Glass-McCasker & Gallucci = 2
Others that have little time to show form: Buckley, White (can see us rookie-ing him), Jaksch (now that Jones is doing so well) & Graham = 4
Retirees: Rowe = 1

Something like this may be as deep as we can go with the cuts.........even of we did go this deep. 10 players cut may yet be too much.

Do you think Sheehan survives?
I don't see how he gets another year.

 

[HARKER]

Do you think Sheehan survives?
I don't see how he gets another year.

Has had another run on the Cat B, which takes up three years on the list.

First time that a Cat B player has been allowed to run-up another Cat B contract, so I don't know how that works........although I'd still keep him.

 

[DangerousD]

Posters saying that Liam Jones may allow us to trade for Kelly and Hopper without using our 1st this year or next.

Get off the drugs

 

[DangerousD]

Has had another run on the Cat B, which takes up three years on the list.

First time that a Cat B player has been allowed to run-up another contract, so I don't know how that works........although I'd still keep him.

He is a favourite of yours.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Everyone (all of us anyway) can see how well SOS drafted this yr, why not back him & the staff in, to do it again....We don't need to trade Bryce if we can continually bring in talented young players. There is no need to trade out topline players if you can grab talent in every round- like we just did. If u struggle to recruit/draft talent then u need to sacrifice talent, we don't. We just proved you don't- the green shoots show u that we don't need to sell the farm to bring in talent. Have faith in the staff

 

[The_Wookie]

Would you risk losing him as a FA when we have climbed the ladder and only get say a pick betweem 10 - 12, when he commands so much more value if we traded him at the end of the year if he wanted to go back to SA?

For 3 more years of this? damn right i would risk it.

 

[HARKER]

He is a favourite of yours.

Has had a tough run with injury, but watching his first year was every bit as remarkable as Tuohy's was.

Every week he got that 10% better until he had to be given games at the back end of that year. Still think he has plenty to offer.

 

[RoyalParade]

As every week goes by, it should become that little clearer as to who stays and who may go;

Seniors: Gorringe, Armfield, Palmer (If he did come on board for just the one year) = 3
Rookies: Glass-McCasker & Gallucci = 2
Others that have little time to show form: Buckley, White (can see us rookie-ing him), Jaksch (now that Jones is doing so well) & Graham = 4
Retirees: Rowe = 1

Something like this may be as deep as we can go with the cuts.........even of we did go this deep. 10 players cut may yet be too much.

Gorringe, Armfield, Jaksch definitely gone in my opinion.

More likely than not is white and Boekhorst.

Graham and sumner 50/50.

Of the rookies, Gallucci and JGM gone, and most likely korcheck.

Levi i think may stay on a 2 year contract.

I think i read somewhere palmer is contracted next year. I think smedts is too.

 

[Iamcarlton]

He is a favourite of yours.

Cant see him surviving without atleast a few games in the seniors to show us why they shouldnt cut him . But not sure he's earning a recall is he ?

 

[I AM CARLTON]

We offer GWS 2017 1st & 2018 1st

We get Kelly, Hopper & GWS 2018 2nd.

GWS dont have a first rounder this year and next year is a super draft so we will still get quality with GWS 2nd.

Keep Gibbs add Kelly & Hopper to Murphy, Cripps, SPS, Cuningham, Fisher & Kruezer and hello premiership.

Who's with me?

 

[DangerousD]

Gorringe, Armfield, Jaksch definitely gone in my opinion.

More likely than not is white and Boekhorst.

Graham and sumner 50/50.

Of the rookies, Gallucci and JGM gone, and most likely korcheck.

Levi i think may stay on a 2 year contract.

I think i read somewhere palmer is contracted next year. I think smedts is too.

Buckley hasn't got a game, says a lot.
I think boek will be offered a deal. Plenty ahead of him on the chopping block.

Gorringe, Arnfield, Jacksh, Buckley

Sheehan, galluci, Korcheck

 

[DangerousD]

We offer GWS 2017 1st & 2018 1st

We get Kelly, Hopper & GWS 2018 2nd.

GWS dont have a first rounder this year and next year is a super draft so we will still get quality with GWS 2nd.

Keep Gibbs add Kelly & Hopper to Murphy, Cripps, SPS, Cuningham, Fisher & Kruezer and hello premiership.

Who's with me?

Why are we giving up 2 picks and receiving 3 players? Doesn't make sense to me and isn't a win/win.

If anything I think we would be adding a 2nd/3rd or a pick swap to get that deal done.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Gorringe, Armfield, Jaksch definitely gone in my opinion.

More likely than not is white and Boekhorst.

Graham and sumner 50/50.

Of the rookies, Gallucci and JGM gone, and most likely korcheck.

Levi i think may stay on a 2 year contract.

I think i read somewhere palmer is contracted next year. I think smedts is too.

Cas is a tough one. I can see a club offering him 3 years and not on high enough $ to trigger band 3. I think we will be in a situation where we have to offer 3 years or we lose him for a pick around 40

 

[Arr0w]

For 3 more years of this? damn right i would risk it.

He is having a great year, personally if he requests a trade again at the end of the year and SOS gets the picks/players he wants, then we would also benefit

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Posters saying that Liam Jones may allow us to trade for Kelly and Hopper without using our 1st this year or next.

Get off the drugs

If that's aimed at me I suggest you read it again

 

[Metalcrusher]

We offer GWS 2017 1st & 2018 1st

We get Kelly, Hopper & GWS 2018 2nd.

GWS dont have a first rounder this year and next year is a super draft so we will still get quality with GWS 2nd.

Keep Gibbs add Kelly & Hopper to Murphy, Cripps, SPS, Cuningham, Fisher & Kruezer and hello premiership.

Who's with me?

Still dont have a forward line per see ........

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Everyone (all of us anyway) can see how well SOS drafted this yr, why not back him & the staff in, to do it again....We don't need to trade Bryce if we can continually bring in talented young players. There is no need to trade out topline players if you can grab talent in every round- like we just did. If u struggle to recruit/draft talent then u need to sacrifice talent, we don't. We just proved you don't- the green shoots show u that we don't need to sell the farm to bring in talent. Have faith in the staff

But that's what trading for Kelly/Hopper is doing.

I would argue that going the draft route almost forces us to trade Gibbs. Building through the draft is slower and he'll be too old once we're making a serious run. Trading for Kelly, Hopper etc fast forwards the reset a bit and maybe we get 3 years of prime Gibbs in a top 4 side rather than just 1.

Thing to keep in mind about the trade targets is that they're all young. The only difference between trading a (very) high pick for Kelly and going to the draft is that we lose the first 3 years of his career but gain certainty about his ability.

 

[DangerousD]

If that's aimed at me I suggest you read it again

Was partly aimed at you and one other I can't name.

You said, if jones is the pawn that allows us to get Kelly and Hopper whilst keeping our 2017 or 18 1st then I'm all for it.

I'd be all for it too because it's highway robbery. If Gws expect 2x1st rounders for Kelly and a late 1st for Hopper then can you give me your scenario of how we get them by only giving up 1 1st round pick.

 

[LegendaryBlues]

Was partly aimed at you and one other I can't name.

You said, if jones is the pawn that allows us to get Kelly and Hopper whilst keeping our 2017 or 18 1st then I'm all for it.

I'd be all for it too because it's highway robbery. If Gws expect 2x1st rounders for Kelly and a late 1st for Hopper then can you give me your scenario of how we get them by only giving up 1 1st round pick.

Also gotta remember that Liam Jones has had two good weeks in a row. Obviously it's great he's finding some real form, but would wanna wait for another 10 weeks before claiming that he holds massive trade value, especially considering six weeks ago we wouldve given him away to anyone who wanted him.

 

[LordLucifer]

We offer GWS 2017 1st & 2018 1st
We get Kelly, Hopper & GWS 2018 2nd.
GWS dont have a first rounder this year and next year is a super draft so we will still get quality with GWS 2nd.
Keep Gibbs add Kelly & Hopper to Murphy, Cripps, SPS, Cuningham, Fisher & Kruezer and hello premiership.

Who's with me?

Absolutely no-one !!!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Absolutely no-one !!!

You wouldn't take that?

 

[LordLucifer]

There are plenty of scenarios that will play out over the next two trade & draft periods regarding our Playing List. I view it like this :

The Future Is Theirs
Jack Silvagni
Patrick Cripps
Tom Williamson
Jacob Weitering
Cameron Polson
Harry McKay
Lachie Plowman
David Cuningham
Sam Petrevski-Seton
Caleb Marchbank
Harrison Macreadie
Sam Docherty
Charlie Curnow
Zac Fisher
Andrew Phillips

Betwixt & Between
Liam Jones
Pat Kerr
Marc Murphy
Jarrod Pickett
Ed Curnow
Mathew Wright
Dale Thomas
Simon White
Alex Silvagni
Kym Lebois

Skating On Thin Ice
Blaine Boekhorst
Jed Lamb
Liam Sumner
Dylan Buckley
Kristian Jaksch
Dennis Armfield
Billie Smedts
Rhys Palmer
Daniel Gorringe
Nick Graham
Ciaran Sheehan
Jesse Glass-McCasker
Andrew Galluci
Matt Korchek

Could Be Traded
Bryce Gibbs
Ciaran Byrne

Possible Retirements
Kade Simpson
Sam Rowe

Could Leave Via Free Agency
Levi Casboult
Mathew Kreuzer

 

[LordLucifer]

You wouldn't take that?

Never ever.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Never ever.

We won't have to worry about it anyway because no way would GWS do it