Bluemour Discussion Thread IV

[HARKER]

How are we going to keep our first pick this year and get, Kelly & Hopper? Need to be realistic.

Many ways but most likely way would be 2 picks & a player.

 

[rp84]

How are we going to keep our first pick this year and get, Kelly & Hopper? Need to be realistic.

I wrote the answer to that literally two lines down

 

[walshy93]

What's that low-risk pick going to be?
It may take the Casboult compo pick to get it done and even then.....why should GC bend over?

I'm not as convinced by Saad as many here seem to be, but I put my hand up to say I haven't watched anywhere near enough GC games.
We do need someone like Saad no doubt, but can we achieve that by trying some from within? Pickett obviously.

SOS trips to GC may have more to do with someone else other than Saad. Maybe.

I think from a Gold Coast perspective, their Carlton-style clean-out started last year when they shipped out Prestias and O'Mearas and drafted some great kids. If they can get some value from players who have clearly indicated that coming home is part of the agenda, they might as well keep hitting the draft.

Of course, this means that Gold Coast won't bend over, as Saad seems like part of the future, but if the rumours are correct and all things fall into place leading to amicable discussions about a mutually beneficial deal...

Not all negotiations need to be Gibbs/Adelaide cut-throat. Bell going back home springs to mind as an example.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Not sure he needs to be a lock down small. Byrne was getting better defensively prior to injury. He would play on their no1 small, IMO.

Saad is playing for a shit team, in a shit system.

Once we train the gold coast out of him and he knows where to run/kick in our structure it could be outstanding. We need a couple players with elite pace. Really only have Pickett at the moment, IMO. Imagine our chip-chip game to the wing then Saad gliding past to break some lines on the link-up handball.

SOS wouldnt be looking at him if he thought he was no good. I would suggest he sees our need to add one player with elite pace to our defence, midfield, and forward line. I would think we need the option to change our gears in an attacking sense, and adding pace in each section of the ground can do that.

Wasn't that long ago that we were looking to trade people in because they came from successful clubs and could bring that knowledge of playing with successful structures with them. Just shows how far we have come in such a short period that we now need to potentially re-train people to our successful structure. Blue skies ahead.

 

[Red Bull]

Many ways but most likely way would be 2 picks & a player.

Hope you're right ...

 

[HARKER]

Hope you're right ...

I think I may be.......but that may only be, because I want it to be. Not quite sure if that's the case yet.

Really though, push out what Trigg has said many times over and see what comes about.
He doesn't wish to move on too many of the more senior players though which is fair enough.........unless there's a very good reason to do so.
I've already listed the many good reasons.

 

[PoultryinMotion]

A lot of talk about potential changes to our backline structure next year and beyond (re debating Saad's inclusion/ Doc into the guts etc) and it has me thinking the impact of the looming loss of Kade Simpson has been understated on here. He plays a huge role in our side. Do we have a ready made "go to" half back replacement?(ie Could a Cunningham type* be groomed?)... If not, are there any younger Simpson types we can go to. (A younger Suckling type or GWS' Wilson perhaps.)
* I'm in favour of looking within. I have a bit of time for Cunningham yet see him being the underrated,trade-vulnerable, squeezed out mid - as Jarryd Lyons was from the Crows. Cunningham has a few Simpson traits I believe. Thoughts??

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Red hair is awesome pal.
How old are you?
Bit childish huh?

Old enough not to worry about PC, and to not take things to seriously.
Old enough to understand the meaning of sarcasm.
Old enough to understand the irony in your post



I'll just leave this classic quote from Blackadder here for you

Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what "irony" is?
Baldrick: Yes, it's like "goldy" and "bronzy" only it's made out of iron.

 

[BigFrizz36]

A lot of talk about potential changes to our backline structure next year and beyond (re debating Saad's inclusion/ Doc into the guts etc) and it has me thinking the impact of the looming loss of Kade Simpson has been understated on here. He plays a huge role in our side. Do we have a ready made "go to" half back replacement?(ie Could a Cunningham type* be groomed?)... If not, are there any younger Simpson types we can go to. (A younger Suckling type or GWS' Wilson perhaps.)
* I'm in favour of looking within. I have a bit of time for Cunningham yet see him being the underrated,trade-vulnerable, squeezed out mid - as Jarryd Lyons was from the Crows. Cunningham has a few Simpson traits I believe. Thoughts??

And yet not enough time for him to learn how to spell his name??

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Yep, SOS is waay too smaart for thaat...

Claassic

 

[Coops93]

With SEN (

) reporting that Lever seems really likely to leave given recent comments, how does this trade scenario sound (tbf it's probably been brought up before, however..):

Gibbs to Adelaide
Lever to GWS
Kelly to Carlton

Maybe Adelaide will need a draft pick, a 28 yr old mid for a 21 yr old gun defender isn't exactly equal, however I think that sets a good framework for a deal that all teams would be happy with. Adelaide get there gun mid, GWS get the gun key defender they need and Carlton get a young gun mid. In all, it fits each clubs need and is a win-win-win

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Ok
I'm here to apologise and admit I was wrrr...rrrr....rrrong!
I believe it was HARKER or maybe mediumsizered that I argued with concerning Steven Trigg and his standing in the game and his appointment at our club.
I was and am listening to him on SEN.
He is a pretty remarkable speaker and quality mind regarding football across all facets of the game and the CFC.
He's obviously been an enormous part of the engine that has put our club back on the correct path.
So I stand corrected in my initial skepticism and cynicism of the man and am here to hang my head and admit I was absolutely wrong!!

Apology accepted. Some of us knew better

 

[blueboy25]

With SEN (

) reporting that Lever seems really likely to leave given recent comments, how does this trade scenario sound (tbf it's probably been brought up before, however..):

Gibbs to Adelaide
Lever to GWS
Kelly to Carlton

Maybe Adelaide will need a draft pick, a 28 yr old mid for a 21 yr old gun defender isn't exactly equal, however I think that sets a good framework for a deal that all teams would be happy with. Adelaide get there gun mid, GWS get the gun key defender they need and Carlton get a young gun mid. In all, it fits each clubs need and is a win-win-win

If Lever leaves it will be to head back to Melbourne most likely the dogs.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Soft as fairy floss.

Motlop is soft but our best player used to be called Squibbs so there is hope.
Also we only have to give up salary cap room which we have plenty of and we won't have to overpay for him.
I also find in fanciful that people think that we will end up with a Shiel or Lynch without it seriously hurting us. Gold Coast will match any bid on Lynch so we will have to pony up big time at the trade table along with his $1.2mil plus contract. Every club will know GWS will not be able to match on Shiel so there is going to be a huge bidding war. Whoever gets him will overpay him massively. Also he has taken unders in the past so the dollars he is offered will most likely decide where he goes.

 

[ferrisb]

With SEN (

) reporting that Lever seems really likely to leave given recent comments, how does this trade scenario sound (tbf it's probably been brought up before, however..):

Gibbs to Adelaide
Lever to GWS
Kelly to Carlton

Maybe Adelaide will need a draft pick, a 28 yr old mid for a 21 yr old gun defender isn't exactly equal, however I think that sets a good framework for a deal that all teams would be happy with. Adelaide get there gun mid, GWS get the gun key defender they need and Carlton get a young gun mid. In all, it fits each clubs need and is a win-win-win

Definitely a win-win-win in terms of needs.

I think that Gibbs is clearly the least valuable of those three players.

Would be quite happy to trade Gibbs and change (depending on how much) for Kelly.

 

[agro]

Doc is an excellent footballer and if he can play midfield then he should be migrated there.

Plowman and Marchbank are very agile for their height

Marchbank yes Plowman no.

 

[Arr0w]

With SEN (

) reporting that Lever seems really likely to leave given recent comments, how does this trade scenario sound (tbf it's probably been brought up before, however..):

Gibbs to Adelaide
Lever to GWS
Kelly to Carlton

Maybe Adelaide will need a draft pick, a 28 yr old mid for a 21 yr old gun defender isn't exactly equal, however I think that sets a good framework for a deal that all teams would be happy with. Adelaide get there gun mid, GWS get the gun key defender they need and Carlton get a young gun mid. In all, it fits each clubs need and is a win-win-win

The basis of this trade option is solid, would be interesting if Lever would entertain an offer that was still away from Victoria

 

[HARKER]

Trigg is a pretty remarkable speaker and quality mind regarding football across all facets of the game and the CFC.
He's obviously been an enormous part of the engine that has put our club back on the correct path.
So I stand corrected in my initial skepticism and cynicism of the man and am here to hang my head and admit I was absolutely wrong!!

I feel that Trigg may have taken on one of the biggest jobs in football and that was to smooth the divide between executive and football departments.
We were all over the shop and confusion reigned. Great start point was to set-up an independent committee to appoint the new coach and once we did appoint Bolton, he became the driver of connecting all facets of the club. I don't know how Bolton has achieved so much so quickly and I've worried that he may be taking on more than he's capable of achieving, but things become so much easier when you don't have to sell your ideas over and over again.

We seem to finally have an all-for-one and on-for-all approach to just about everything we're doing.
This seemed nigh on impossible only 2 years ago and as much as we're all preaching the miracle of Jones, this is the bigger miracle for mine.

 

[Coops93]

Definitely a win-win-win in terms of needs.

I think that Gibbs is clearly the least valuable of those three players.

Would be quite happy to trade Gibbs and change (depending on how much) for Kelly.

Yeah, that was my thinking. Lever for Kelly is probably a fair trade from GWS' perspective, however Lever-Gibbs isn't for Adelaide.

Gibbs and Casboult compo to Adelaide is about what I was thinking. 3rd round would be too low. So essentially Gibbs & second round for Lever is about right for Adelaide, and I think Carlton would be happy with that for Kelly also.

 

[PoultryinMotion]

A

And yet not enough time for him to learn how to spell his name??

Too many episodes of Happy Days may have influenced my spelling there. Spelling Nazi.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Just a thought, if we lose Gibbs and gain Kelly, I see no net improvement in our team. Not immediately anyway. Both have been guns this year. We need to add class to our midfield, not replace it just yet.

Guess I'm just sayin... Can we have both? Pleeeeease.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

A lot of talk about potential changes to our backline structure next year and beyond (re debating Saad's inclusion/ Doc into the guts etc) and it has me thinking the impact of the looming loss of Kade Simpson has been understated on here. He plays a huge role in our side. Do we have a ready made "go to" half back replacement?(ie Could a Cunningham type* be groomed?)... If not, are there any younger Simpson types we can go to. (A younger Suckling type or GWS' Wilson perhaps.)
* I'm in favour of looking within. I have a bit of time for Cunningham yet see him being the underrated,trade-vulnerable, squeezed out mid - as Jarryd Lyons was from the Crows. Cunningham has a few Simpson traits I believe. Thoughts??

Simmo will play for a while yet, easily see him playing to 36/37...just one of those wiry types that should get belted from pillar to post but somehow don't.

Doesn't get soft tissue injuries, hasn't lost any spring or pace and plays a position that allows him to read the game outside of the coalface.

And most importantly continues to have the burning desire, imagine he'd be feeling pretty good about how things are going at the moment and would want one last crack at it which will be 2-3 years away yet.

 

[Coops93]

Just a thought, if we lose Gibbs and gain Kelly, I see no net improvement in our team. Not immediately anyway. Both have been guns this year. We need to add class to our midfield, not replace it just yet.

Guess I'm just sayin... Can we have both? Pleeeeease.

The other thing to look at though is that Gibbs is nearly 30 and Kelly is only 21. So whilst next year it might not be a gain, in 5 years time it absolutely will be.

I'd also love to have both, we'd have near one of the best midfields in the comp if so!

 

[HBF]

Laughable that some people think that Saad would not be in our best 22, would walk into our side.

Having said that doubt SOS will overpay for him

SOS doesn't overpay for anyone.

 

[PoultryinMotion]

If Lever leaves it will be to head back to Melbourne most likely the dogs.

So throw in a player from a Melb based club to GWS and it is sorted...Perhaps we can send up a first rounder and (ironically) steak knives so we can nab Lever also!