Pride is stupid in football I guess
Probably says much about the effect of what we have become than anything else
This is competition
You need pride!
Lol
Competition and pleading for charity are two different cultures
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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II
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Probably says much about the effect of what we have become than anything else
This is competition
You need pride!
Lol
Competition and pleading for charity are two different cultures
Yeah so what?
They haven't achieved anything
I never said Melbourne were and aren't a basket case
You did
Ok so you have an administration that goes to the AFL for handouts
You know the administration is actually there so you shouldn't go to the AFL for handouts
The handouts are for basket cases
Now are you saying this club is a basket case and the admin has been busy running it into the ground and the very people charged with having this club running ok are going to plead to the afl for mercy and gain a pick?
Do you have any idea how many early picks are currently playing for this football club?
Want to share?
Let's look at the bullants
How much money has this administration pumped into the bullants over the last three years to make sure the bullants have enough seasoned players to help out the Pickett's kjs polsens etc?
Care to share?
One pick because the list isn't up to it and is a mighty chance of winning another wooden spoon won't fix the underlying problems
Same as a dole cheque won't change the bludgers life enough
People have mentioned a hapless Melbourne football club
They're not going anywhere.. They hardly manage to beat us!
All they are is a hopeless excuse for a club making up the numbers to have eighteen clubs in the comp
Nobody respects Melbourne or what they are!
You know why they're not respected?
Because they're crap and have been crap from top to bottom for fifty years
I didn't say Melbourne were a basket case, they probably were though.
Just pointing out the the AFL assisted them and they seem to on the right track.
We asked for a PP a few years ago and got knocked back, wouldn't hurt to ask again.
Player retention is a serious issue and something the AFL will look at.
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I think some people are jealous of Melbourne
To me that's amazing!
The supporters of the club are now bottom feeding
There's only one way of getting the club up
It's not by one handout charity pick
It's about being better and more innovative than everybody else in the comp
You win respect this way
And more importantly you're a club that respects itself and knows it's the best
The challenge is getting there!
But hey! In a competition it's hard to be the best but in real competition that's how you measure yourself
To me that's amazing!
The supporters of the club are now bottom feeding
There's only one way of getting the club up
It's not by one handout charity pick
It's about being better and more innovative than everybody else in the comp
You win respect this way
And more importantly you're a club that respects itself and knows it's the best
The challenge is getting there!
But hey! In a competition it's hard to be the best but in real competition that's how you measure yourself
Melbourne was and is a basket case
Nobody respects Melbourne
Clubs that are on top of their game are not jealous of Melbourne
The fact the AFL creates an artificial game doesn't help.. But if we ever get an armchair up to a flag what's the point?
I think people are getting caught up in the theatre not the pure competition
Besides we won a few games last year and we have a few rising stars. You should be encouraged that were beginning to do some things correct
Why do you want to begin to get lazy?
Pride is never stupid. The right pride (not to be confused with our old arrogance) is a big ticket item inside a club.....and particularly a big ticket club.
There is no way we'd go to the AFL with cap in hand, begging and trying to manufacture a case for one.
We did it the other year to keep Brisbane honest but not because we felt as though we 'deserved' one.
Why are we even talking about PP's? Forget it. It won't happen/shouldn't happen.
5 Rising Star nominations but we need a priority pick.
Exactly. I could just about chuck it in, if we were found to go grovelling to the AFL for a bit of a leg-up because we ****ed up.
Terrible idea. Terrible.
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Yes you are right. Pride in the coaches. Pride in the playing group. But in the boardroom?Pride is never stupid. The right pride (not to be confused with our old arrogance) is a big ticket item inside a club.....and particularly a big ticket club.
There is no way we'd go to the AFL with cap in hand, begging and trying to manufacture a case for one.
We did it the other year to keep Brisbane honest but not because we felt as though we 'deserved' one.
Why are we even talking about PP's? Forget it. It won't happen/shouldn't happen.
5 Rising Star nominations but we need a priority pick.
What has pride got to do with deciding which pub to buy as an investment? Nothing.
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Wow. Its amazing how you can read something but understand another.
Not what i said at all.
I can't reason you out of an opinion you didn't reason yourself into.
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In the club as a whole kat.
So the board deem it appropriate to go ask for a PP. Who has to put the case for one, forward?
Trigg is a proud man and proud of the way the club is developing under his watch but now has to swallow the pride and list his reasons as to why we're 'worthy' of attracting one. Doesn't make sense.....and especially so if we fail....I mean when we fail.
Just can't see it coming about and if it made headlines that we've approached the AFL, cap in hand. What does that say about us?
Pride and politics aside, 1 win from the last 11 in 2016 and 0 wins from the last 10 in 2017 (projected) is exactly why priority picks were brought in to give the strugglers a leg up. It's one thing to have "green shoots" and be competitive on our day, it's another to be competitive across 22 rounds. The AFL should interject to avoid dead rubbers in the second half of the season - if their PP to Brisbane last year is any guide.
2013's blip aside, it was 2011 when we last made the finals on our own accord. If the AFL has a goal of every team making the 8 at least once every 5 years then we're lagging.
2013's blip aside, it was 2011 when we last made the finals on our own accord. If the AFL has a goal of every team making the 8 at least once every 5 years then we're lagging.
The only way we'll succeed is through smart recruiting and good, stable off field administration.
Not necessarily against applying for a priority pick, but don't think it sends a great message as we move from a club that once sort quick fixes to one that's prepared to wait for good fixes.
Would be very interested to see how many clubs have a long-shot crack at getting a priority pick - doubt many would and for me that says a lot.
Would like to see a Carlton that doesn't seek extra handouts, and doesn't worry about whether other clubs are getting extra handouts etc - once we do that we're on the right path.
Need a winner's mindset, not one that thinks we need extra help to get it done.
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Not necessarily against applying for a priority pick, but don't think it sends a great message as we move from a club that once sort quick fixes to one that's prepared to wait for good fixes.
Would be very interested to see how many clubs have a long-shot crack at getting a priority pick - doubt many would and for me that says a lot.
Would like to see a Carlton that doesn't seek extra handouts, and doesn't worry about whether other clubs are getting extra handouts etc - once we do that we're on the right path.
Need a winner's mindset, not one that thinks we need extra help to get it done.
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No harm in that
Sorry I missed the games that their coach and CEO played
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Nowhere have i said we deserve one. All i am saying is that pride shouldn't be a reason to dismiss it out of hand.Pride is never stupid. The right pride (not to be confused with our old arrogance) is a big ticket item inside a club.....and particularly a big ticket club.
There is no way we'd go to the AFL with cap in hand, begging and trying to manufacture a case for one.
We did it the other year to keep Brisbane honest but not because we felt as though we 'deserved' one.
Why are we even talking about PP's? Forget it. It won't happen/shouldn't happen.
5 Rising Star nominations but we need a priority pick.
Sometimes you appeal for lbw even if you know it was gonna miss. And sometimes, rarely, you get rewarded.
Applying would be a hail mary at best this year. Doesn't mean due diligence shouldn't be done.
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Pride often comes before the fall...
You have to think you deserve one in order to apply for one. What are we do do? Bluff?
Cricket analogy doesn't really stand up for many reasons. Spur of the moment call, by one individual; a player, and not deliberated on by a board.
On what grounds would we apply for one?
We've been selling green shoots, the emergence of the new CFC, we've beat GWS and have been more than competitive against many higher ranked clubs, but please Gil.....give us a Priority Pick because..........
It doesn't sit right does it?
Lack of pride in self, leads to?
Pride is not a dirty word. Don't you believe what you've seen or you've heard.
Looking forward to the AGM. "We are Carlton and we're not a proud club". Good one.
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Who cares about Melbourne!
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Back on topic thanks .................LIST MANAGEMENT!
All off our List by end of 2018.
White
Thomas
Palmer
Boekhurst
Smedts
Graham
Jaksch
Kerridge
Buckley
Gorringe
Korcheck
Gallucci
Lamb
Armfield
Sumner
Casboult
Up to SOS to replace as many as possible with real quality. Another 12 or so kids and some top end talent and some positional/role players from other clubs.
I'm looking forward to 2019 [emoji6]
White
Thomas
Palmer
Boekhurst
Smedts
Graham
Jaksch
Kerridge
Buckley
Gorringe
Korcheck
Gallucci
Lamb
Armfield
Sumner
Casboult
Up to SOS to replace as many as possible with real quality. Another 12 or so kids and some top end talent and some positional/role players from other clubs.
I'm looking forward to 2019 [emoji6]
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Every successful club in the past decade has milked some aspect of the AFL system to get an edge on the competition - priority picks and free agency, COLA, father/sons - we should be ruthlessly pursuing an edge of our own, whatever it may be.
Would love to debate your list..........but I can't.
You could easily add Rowe, JGM and another couple who may yet disappoint.
The trick though will be to turn some failures into winners.
I have my few that can yet turn things around on natural ability. There's the test for the coaches.
Wrong pride and you know it.Lack of pride in self, leads to?
Pride is not a dirty word. Don't you believe what you've seen or you've heard.
Looking forward to the AGM. "We are Carlton and we're not a proud club". Good one.
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