FTA-TV Game of Thrones Season VII

[picko]

Jamie was in KL when the sand snake was poisoned. The very next scene was him and Cersei returning incest to our screens

Yeah but post that, Jamie and Bronn were at highgarden. Unlikely that she gets poisoned, Jamie and Bronn go to highgarden, defeat the Tyrells and then return to KL in time to save her. Would give the timing crew another big whinge.

 

[Sterge]

but characters aren't supposed to be "likable"... consider: Dany has spent her entire life chasing the destiny she feels owed to her by dint of nothing more than her heritage. She can't even remember Westeros before she left it. She is the absolute last word in entitled brats, basically. Like every living person, though, she is a mass of walking contradictions. She is the Breaker of Chains. She is the Mother of Dragons. But she is also a puppet of history, driven relentlessly to reclaim what's hers. She needs to be the Queen of the 7 kingdoms, Ruler of the Andals and First Men. Now that she's here there's some upstart from the North she knows nothing about, apart from the fact his ancestor swore an oath to her ancestor, talking children's fairy tales about walking dead armies. And you have an issue with her acting a bit "petulant"? She doesn't know Jon Snow. Just because we know him doesn't mean she should treat him the way we think she should.

I honestly don't get the hate for Dany. And I absolutely don't get when people moan about how they don't like certain characters. How have people not picked up on the fact that GoT delights in throwing normal tropes and sensibilities out of the window? I reckon she does a really good job of acting the character of Daenrys Stormborn myself.

As for saying Sansa had a "nothing scene", seriously?? Do you not understand the point of that scene? Sansa is getting down with the business of ruling and administering a kingdom. It is 99.9% boring shit like how much grain there is to spare. This is shown alongside the other powerful woman, the Queen of Westeros, also going about the pragmatic business of administering the state: in negotiating an outcome with the Iron Bank. Sansa is more than froth and bubble. She is a formidable woman who is way more pragmatic than her brother, and that scene said all of that and more. it was so far from being a "nothing scene" it's not funny.

And finally, how exactly is Euron "teleporting"? Do you have any conception of how long it would have taken the Unsullied to sail to Casterly Rock? There was plenty of time for the Iron Isles fleet to follow. And just because it's Euron's fleet burning the Unsullied, doesn't mean that Euron himself is there. And making all of those judgements based on a basic misunderstanding of the way time works vis a vis our narrative is a bit silly don't you think? It's already established the order of events on the show is for narration purposes. Time is not and never has been "to scale"

I'm well aware time isn't linear, the line about the iron fleet teleporting wasn't a complaint just a list of what was happening and a dig at the previous talk about the sand snakes

Danerys is rubbish in the books and she is rubbish in the TV show, you are allowed to have characters you don't like without it being a complaint or a direct affront to everyone else in the thread, for example I always liked Sansa even when everyone else hated her.

That guy wouldn't make it through two episodes of The Sopranos because "There's no one to root for."

You root for Tony in the Sopranos, same as you root for Omar in the wire

Dry your tears mate

 

[SM]

You root for Tony in the Sopranos, same as you root for Omar in the wire

Dry your tears mate

I guess that's better than being you and rooting for the hooker getting her face smashed in.

 

[mike123]

I am a bit concerned for Tyrion I must say. We've all gotten so used to him being the wise imp that we've gotten comfortable with him. Simple fact of the matter is, it wasn't just naivety or stupidity that lead him to this mistake. It was hubris and worse, ego. He wanted Casterly Rock because it was HIS by right, in his mind, not because it was important strategically, like he claimed. And it's proven by what Jaime said this week: Casterly Rock is actually more or less worthless these days. Except to him as an emotional and sentimental piece. And, of course... to Tyrion.

So Tyrion has advised his queen to go after a worthless asset to settle an old emotional score; whereas Jaime has pragmatically let it go and gone after the real strategic prize in Highgarden, thus owning all of the money and taking out a major ally.

Now Dany has no fleet and very few allies. All of a sudden that initial plan of simply storming Kings Landing is going to look like a no-brainer in hindsight, and the architect of the conflicting plan is going to be left with his stunted arse swinging in the breeze...

Highgarden was already Danny's as Olenna backed her. Dorne also backed her, the problem was they all forgot Euron was building a big ass fleet. Should have dealt with that before planning ship movements. If someone told Tyrion about Euron then his plan was stupid but it seems like he didn't and no one brought it up so his plan on paper is mostly fine.


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[Willo_]

Gotta be honest... if Missendei is the leak and on team Lannister I'm going to be pretty bloody flat

 

[Sterge]

I guess that's better than being you and rooting for the hooker getting her face smashed in.

You've really lost the plot haven't you

 

[SM]

Gotta be honest... if Missendei is the leak and on team Lannister I'm going to be pretty bloody flat

Is that a boob joke?

 

[SM]

You've really lost the plot haven't you

You suggesting I root for Tony kind of missed my entire point so I'd suggest that's you.

You seem to have this desire for all protagonists to be entirely likeable and relateable when that's just not the case.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I'm well aware time isn't linear, the line about the iron fleet teleporting wasn't a complaint just a list of what was happening and a dig at the previous talk about the sand snakes

Danerys is rubbish in the books and she is rubbish in the TV show, you are allowed to have characters you don't like without it being a complaint or a direct affront to everyone else in the thread, for example I always liked Sansa even when everyone else hated her.



You root for Tony in the Sopranos, same as you root for Omar in the wire

Dry your tears mate

fair enough, you're definitely "allowed" to not like characters I just don't see why you would say they've been "horrible for years now". Seems... just a bit odd. I just don't see what relevance it has to anything really. But sure, feel free to not like them, no issues there

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Gotta be honest... if Missendei is the leak and on team Lannister I'm going to be pretty bloody flat

there is less than zero chance of that being the case! Can anyone give one logical or even illogical reason why she would turn on her saviour and besty???

 

[SM]

fair enough, you're definitely "allowed" to not like characters I just don't see why you would say they've been "horrible for years now". Seems... just a bit odd. I just don't see what relevance it has to anything really. But sure, feel free to not like them, no issues there

I don't 'like' Dany either, and find Jon probably the most relateable of the protagonists, but even he has his moments. Her confrontation with Jon was frustratingly realistic, when all we want is for them to join forces and overthrow Cersei and the Night King. Things just aren't that simple.

 

[mike123]

No

Robb crushed some smaller Lannister forces but never the main Lannister army commanded by Twyin. Because he simply did not have the numbers, he had to leave a token force to be destroyed by Twyin to allow him to do so. Then Twyin moved his main force south to defend Kings Landing & used the Freys to defeat Robb.

Control of the throne & continuing unrest would have allowed & forced the Lannisters to keep a large force under arms. As for the Tyrell army, I suspect that the bannerman had gone home after the battles around Kings Landing vrs Stannis. The call to arms never came as the attack on Highgarden was swift. So the Tyrell army is still sitting around their homes.

Randyll Tay also backed Cersei I doubt many from the reach want to fight against him.


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[Lance Uppercut]

Highgarden was already Danny's as Olenna backed her. Dorne also backed her, the problem was they all forgot Euron was building a big ass fleet. Should have dealt with that before planning ship movements. If someone told Tyrion about Euron then his plan was stupid but it seems like he didn't and no one brought it up so his plan on paper is mostly fine.


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mmm I dunno man, pretty sure Yara would have known full well that Euron was planning on building that big ass fleet, and she was sitting in the war room as they made all their plans...

The problem is that they wasted enormous resources and momentum trying to take a worthless prize. Casterly Rock isn't the "true seat of power" any more, as Tyrion claimed. They didn't know that Tarly was defecting, sure, but wasting all that blood and treasure on Casterly Rock is clearly a massive blunder. They left Highgarden undefended, and for what?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I don't 'like' Dany either, and find Jon probably the most relateable of the protagonists, but even he has his moments. Her confrontation with Jon was frustratingly realistic, when all we want is for them to join forces and overthrow Cersei and the Night King. Things just aren't that simple.

spot on, people want them to have a fairy tale meeting when GoT is just not like that. I loved the way they handled The Meeting. It was just perfect.

As is the way every single player (except for maybe Davos, and Podrick, and Brienne maybe, possibly a few more) are complex and flawed. It's like real life, it disregards tropes and cliches

 

[Vader]

Gotta be honest... if Missendei is the leak and on team Lannister I'm going to be pretty bloody flat

I've got a sneaky suspicion that she's actually on Team Euron, not Team Lannister. Euron spent ages traveling the world on the Silence, before turning up to murder his brother. Could well have created a network of spies and supporters all around the world, including Missandei.

Just floating an idea. I could be completely wrong.

 

[Vader]

Highgarden was already Danny's as Olenna backed her. Dorne also backed her, the problem was they all forgot Euron was building a big ass fleet. Should have dealt with that before planning ship movements. If someone told Tyrion about Euron then his plan was stupid but it seems like he didn't and no one brought it up so his plan on paper is mostly fine.

Tyrion probably didn't even know about Euron's fleet, because it didn't exist when Yara & Reek fled after the kingsmoot - and he didn't have time to build one without a 3D printer.

 

[SM]

Tyrion probably didn't even know about Euron's fleet, because it didn't exist when Yara & Reek fled after the kingsmoot - and he didn't have time to build one without a 3D printer.

You must be a hoot at parties.

 

[Vader]

there is less than zero chance of that being the case! Can anyone give one logical or even illogical reason why she would turn on her saviour and besty???

She may well have been an undercover operative the whole time. Davos pretty much outed her, showing that her supposed background in Naath was nothing but made up bullshit. What else is she hiding?

Having a spy in Dany's camp would go a long way towards explaining Euron's ability to intercept Yara's fleet, and their knowledge of the attack on Casterly Rock. If there is a spy, then Missandei is by far the most likely candidate.

 

[Sterge]

You suggesting I root for Tony kind of missed my entire point so I'd suggest that's you.

You seem to have this desire for all protagonists to be entirely likeable and relateable when that's just not the case.

I'll say this slowly again for you

You (read: I) root for Tony in the Sopranos just like you (read: I) root for Omar in the wire

Dany is dull and it's got nothing to do with her being relateable at all, literally in the entire run of the show, a show where her whole point was to become Queen and she is going to wrap it all up in 7 episodes after doing a sum total of **** all for the better part of 6 seasons. A good protagonist is above all else interesting, Tony is interesting his story is compelling, Omar is interesting his story is compelling, Cersei whilst being a certifiable maniac is at least compelling, Sansa has grown over the seasons from a girl who just wanted to marry the king to the point where she is effectively warden of the north and bossing littlefinger. Dany is still making the same mistakes she was making in season 1 she hasn't really grown she has just gained followers.

 

[SM]

I'll say this slowly again for you

You (read: I) root for Tony in the Sopranos just like you (read: I) root for Omar in the wire

Dany is dull and it's got nothing to do with her being relateable at all, literally in the entire run of the show, a show where her whole point was to become Queen and she is going to wrap it all up in 7 episodes after doing a sum total of **** all for the better part of 6 seasons. A good protagonist is above all else interesting, Tony is interesting his story is compelling, Omar is interesting his story is compelling, Cersei whilst being a certifiable maniac is at least compelling, Sansa has grown over the seasons from a girl who just wanted to marry the king to the point where she is effectively warden of the north and bossing littlefinger. Dany is still making the same mistakes she was making in season 1 she hasn't really grown she has just gained followers.

If you think Dany hasn't progressed as a character since she was the meek child who was married off to a Khal I don't know what to tell you.

 

[quotemokc]

If Missandei is a spy why wait until now to make use of her?

I took her not conversing with Davos as her not having fond memories of her childhood.

I think someone that can speak multiple languages would at least be smart enough to have their backstory information covered. Pretty typical spy stuff.

 

[Milanista28]

Hmmm you just know the next altercation will go Dany's way, She will have a win with her dragons soon. How quick can she get to high garden by flying??

 

[GreyCrow]

your predictions for the show aint spoilers.

Spoiler

Neither is this

 

[mike123]

mmm I dunno man, pretty sure Yara would have known full well that Euron was planning on building that big ass fleet, and she was sitting in the war room as they made all their plans...

The problem is that they wasted enormous resources and momentum trying to take a worthless prize. Casterly Rock isn't the "true seat of power" any more, as Tyrion claimed. They didn't know that Tarly was defecting, sure, but wasting all that blood and treasure on Casterly Rock is clearly a massive blunder. They left Highgarden undefended, and for what?

Yara should have spoke out in the meeting then. Dany wants to take the 7 kingdoms and Casterly Rock is a part of that so it's not worthless.


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[mike123]

If Missandei is a spy why wait until now to make use of her?

I took her not conversing with Davos as her not having fond memories of her childhood.

I think someone that can speak multiple languages would at least be smart enough to have their backstory information covered. Pretty typical spy stuff.

I recall Dany saying never betray me, I starting to think that might be foreshadowing.


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