Prediction The data tells us Sinclair and Steele will be elite and 2018 will be huge

[Flandersss]

I doubt that [emoji106]

Reckon Jack Billings would give him a run for his money.

Imagine being a forward in their underage and school teams?

I know better.

 

[Glen Buterol]

I doubt that [emoji106]

Reckon Jack Billings would give him a run for his money.

Imagine being a forward in their underage and school teams?

I reckon Sinclair is the cooler customer when the heat is on & has him covered in decision making. Billings a deadly field kick tho.

 

[AFLOnline]

2017 (Steele) vs 2002 Lenny (same age)
17 Games 20
7.3 Kicks Per Game 10.0
14.1 Handballs Per Game 10.2
21.4 Disposals Per Game 20.2
3.5 Marks Per Game 3.3
0.3 Goals Per Game 0.4
0.5 Behinds Per Game 0.2
7.8 Tackles Per Game 5.0

A lot of similarities to the way they play too. In the open field, Steele possesses a nice sidestep and baulk just like Lenny and seems to think his way through oncoming traffic rather than just blazing away with a hurried kick. And in traffic, when he isn't first to the ball, he's tackling hard just like Lenny.

We all thought Dunstan was our next Hayes. But it's Steeley all the way.

 

[Joffaboy]

I reckon Sinclair is the cooler customer when the heat is on & has him covered in decision making. Billings a deadly field kick tho.

Was behind that Billings pass to Ross in the goal square. FMD to be able to kick a ball just once in my life.

Then again that pass to Roo from Sinclair up the wing in the second wasn't too shabby.

 

[plugger66]

I know everyone including coaches says 50 games or 3 or 4 seasons and then they make it as footballers but that should mean no one is sacked before 50 games or even much after as they then should be good enough. We have some good players but not everyone follows that rule.

 

[Saint Watto]

The Lonie family are actually Matryoshka Dolls

I hereby declare this post of the day !!!!!

 

[Saint Watto]

Don't worry about it mate, I'm in the same boat, we're just inpatient lol.

I'm sure this is due to our 2 seasons since the spoon in 2004 and what the Dogs did last season.

Mix all that together and it's an explosive cocktail for supporter expectation.....

The fall out after some of our losses(justified) nearly had me running for the fall out shelter.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Yeah I don't want to write him off or trade him yet.
Good luck to the kid. Hope he comes on and cements a spot in the team.
But like I said if he can't he is still a bloody handy depth player.
And all clubs need them.

If he was only a pocket I'd agree but he looked really good for us for about a month (ending a couple weeks ago) when he was playing much further up the ground. Looks really good when he has space and he runs all day.

 

[The Punter]

The problem with Lonie as a depth playing moving forward is Wright and Minchington have contracts for next season and Lonie does not.

 

[plugger66]

The problem with Lonie as a depth playing moving forward is Wright and Minchington have contracts for next season and Lonie does not.

I doubt we would get rid of Lonie because the others have contracts if we rate Lonie as a better prospect which I certainly do and the club seemed to have done this year.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I reckon Sinclair is the cooler customer when the heat is on & has him covered in decision making. Billings a deadly field kick tho.

Lucky we've got both then

 

[StKing11]

Stiff on Savage and old mate Bazza White but I definitely agree he's the best decision maker we have.

We actually some really decent kicks Billings, Savage, Monty when he plays, Webster, Savage, Sinclair, Robbo and Carlisle etc..

I have no idea why we really resort to bombing the blood thing and have so many scrappy kicks in play

Carlisle's kicking is so good for such a big man, he's the size of a ruckman and they're usually terrible kicks (see Longer, Billy).

On Sunday he was on the last line of defense under pressure and kicked a pearler of a pass up the middle which then totally opened up the corridor for us to launch an attack. Other than probably Sinclair I feel more assured when Big Jake has the ball than anyone else, I swear he hasn't missed a target by foot all year.

 

[holllywood]

Don't want to nitpick but the amount of possessions you get should not be the guiding principle to determine if a player is elite or not.

The growth in numbers is encouraging and showing that Steele and Sinclair are having greater influence in games but getting 25 touches a game doesn't make you elite. It's just one part of a bigger picture.

For example, give me 25 possessions by Sinclair over Steele because they will be more damaging so possession count should not be the determining factor as to why Steele is elite or not.

My 2c.

 

[Sainttony]

Steele will become a Ling type of tagger. He said it himself that Shuey took him to the ball where he was able to weave his magic and I reckon Richo would have learnt from this. Give him a job every week and we might get this standard every week.

Steele nothing like Ling really, how could I compare him to that red headed annoying commentator. Worse than speeeecial Bruce.


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[Diehard Saint]

Carlisle's kicking is so good for such a big man, he's the size of a ruckman and they're usually terrible kicks (see Longer, Billy).

On Sunday he was on the last line of defense under pressure and kicked a pearler of a pass up the middle which then totally opened up the corridor for us to launch an attack. Other than probably Sinclair I feel more assured when Big Jake has the ball than anyone else, I swear he hasn't missed a target by foot all year.

What he has added to our team is seriously underrated by those who are not Saints supporters. I don't know how we would have managed without him.
I'm very confident when I see him going up for a mark, and also with his disposal afterwards.

 

[Saintsydney]

I doubt we would get rid of Lonie because the others have contracts if we rate Lonie as a better prospect which I certainly do and the club seemed to have done this year.

Lonie is only 20 and kills it at VFL level - he won't be going anywhere I don't think

 

[D2D3]

What he has added to our team is seriously underrated by those who are not Saints supporters. I don't know how we would have managed without him.
I'm very confident when I see him going up for a mark, and also with his disposal afterwards.

I feel the same. He's skills are unmatched among men his size. Clean hands, strong Mark and booming accurate kick.

Constantly amazed at how he's form with us has gone unnoticed when they couldn't stop banging on about him when he was at Essendon. Also can't believe Bomber wanted him as a perminant forward when he offers so much in defence. Madness

 

[JiggsteR45]

I like your stats, hope they come true!

Another way to look at it is that 2018 will see a bunch of players with 3-5 pre-seasons and between 40 and 70 games, which is often a fast improvement time for players:

Dunstan: 69 games, 5 pre-seasons
Billings: 64 games, 5 pre-seasons
Membrey: 50 games, 6 pre-seasons
Acres: 44 games, 5 pre-seasons
Sinclair: 44 games, 4 pre-seasons
Gresham: 40 games, 3 pre-seasons
Lonie: 38 games, 4 pre-seasons
Steele: 37 games, 4 pre-seasons

I reckon any or all of those could take another step up next year, including the guys you mention. If that happens we'll be looking pretty good.

If you posted stuff like this on saintsational, you'd be joining ME as a "Blue Sky" brigadier!


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[Saint Watto]

Constantly amazed at how he's form with us has gone unnoticed when they couldn't stop banging on about him when he was at Essendon. Also can't believe Bomber wanted him as a perminant forward when he offers so much in defence. Madness

I think it's because we're not one of the "Big" Melb clubs........

Like Diehard stated....I too have often despaired at the thought of how we would've gone this year without him.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I think it's because we're not one of the "Big" Melb clubs........

Like Diehard stated....I too have often despaired at the thought of how we would've gone this year without him.

Even Liam bloody Jones gets more publicity than Carlisle!

 

[Wright 1]

Great post Marching

However I think you stole this from Ameet's office in the file marked -
PITCH TO JOSH KELLY

Campaigner would be asking where he has to sign

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Actually met Lonies Mum and Sister on the weekend and let me tell you if they are anything to go by he is not getting much bigger anytime soon

I hope he's working harder in the Gym than his mum and sister, and maybe has a bit more natural testosterone as well.

 

[BarkerFan]

View attachment 401090 Single variant analysis using disposals shows us that reaching 20+ disposals in 3rd year @ +30% growth vs yr 2 predictive for year 4 emerging superstar status...
The data is in.. Sincs and Steele are Heading for 25 disp players in 2018 en route for elite careers using the patented "mitchellparkerslonemartinkelly" index. On track to be better than stuv Ross and Armo too meaning our 2018 midfield disp averages will most probhably look like:

Kelly 30+
Ross 27+
Stuv 27+ (post the Kelly tag relief)
Sincs 25
Steele 25
Newnes 24 (if he holds his 2yr ave)
Koby 23+
Dunny 22+
Achres 22+

Wildcard Armo... ??

Sick of the melts about having no elite talent in the midfield... TEAM midfields aren't elite as a 3rd 4th year group BUT look at the delicious data...

And this fellow Sainters is why our midfield is f*^%ing rocking and we'll take home some silverware before 2020...

The other thing to note is that Kelly is ahead of everyone including Martin, Mitchell, Parker, Sloane
Most valuable player in the comp right now IMO ... 22 year old with his best footy still to come and already walks into this years all Australian team and plays exact role we are crying out for.

 

[BarkerFan]

Going by those stats, Gresham could reasonably be expected to also jump up from 14-15 to around 20 possessions next year. That would also make a huge impact.

Armo a wildcard but so is Freeman. Lets hope at least one can make an impact next year as well.

And Barry White could well be just one strong and dedicated pre-season away from also announcing himself properly as a player

As stated, none of the current team are in an age of decline, given that Montagna and Roo were not running around and are no longer carrying the team.

We could do with another tall defender IMO, along with Kelly of course

 

[AuntieBarrels]

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2017-08-22/Three-Jacks-named-in-the-22under22

Good to see 3 saints in this squad (sincs, steele, JB), although would have been good if Paddy, Gresh, Goddard, Acres were in there as well at this time