Bluemour Discussion Thread VI (cont. in Part VII)

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I actually agree with you as well. Mids are a priority but SOS isn't adverse to having an abundance of talls on the list. Imagine if all of Curnow,McKay, Kerr, JSOS, BSOS come on and we also grab Schache, it could give us good leverage to trade for needs and/or get back in the draft at an high-ish level.
Either way, exciting times!!

If they are out of contract, not getting a game and nominate a club we like every other side will get unders.
Out of that list though I would only be really confident on Curnow making it as a really good player

 

[jezzajay]

People can believe what they want to believe but I can assure you this is not something I have dreamt up for fun. Nor am I a previous poster. As I said, each of the various elements are being discussed with clubs right now. Because each trade is basically a win/win for all involved (i.e. we aren't trying to screw anyone) it doesn't need to be a big secret.

This is how SOS operates - he does what he calls a SWOT analysis of each team and looks at where he can match pieces to maximise benefit for us (same as what he did with the Hawks or why he moved Tuohy on to get the GWS guys).

Schache I have never seen play a game so I have zero idea as to his value. But I recall Josh Kennedy looked pretty ordinary after two years and look how he turned out...

If this all eventuates (and as I said it is not guaranteed - 70/30 chance) - will those posters that have hurled abuse apologise and take a break from the forum? Or will they just carry on to abuse the next person? Haven't been here long enough to know if this is the standard culture or if I am just lucky!

I appreciate your rumor mate... definitely one of the better and well thought ones I've seen on here. I'm more than interested in anything else you may hear or see...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

What was the Green trade? Someone alluded to this last night and I couldn't find it in the rumour thread.

Given the "up up Cronulla" - AFL umpires or NRL refs - which is worse? Tough weekend...

It was such a shit rumour with zero value for Carlton, I can't remember the detail.

The Sharks game was a farce but given we won our 1st flag last year and really were not as committed this year, I can't claim we deserved too much more.

 

[JustaBattler]

Would take their midfield to another level and make what looks to be a premiership side even better. The draft is a crapshoot and this Adelaide side has no top 10 picks. Back in the recruiting that has given you the best list in the competition and cash in on a gun midfielder.

just testing the 'logic' of your statement...so

Another way of looking at it is why should Carlton give up 2 years of Gibbs for a pick 10 in a "crapshoot"?

The answer is because of what Carlton can do with a pick10 - better than gambling on a draft pick - right?

but who says Adelaide can't use the pick themselves to get someone they want?

 

[JuddgementDay]

Do you think it's far away Zlatan?

I think it will need to be pick 10 and something for Gibbs. We may carry some of contract as Crows have a tight Salary Cap

Rockliff & Smith I doubt

The rest are very gettable. It's still 10-12 new young players which I believe 4-5 are ready made to step in

So what do we trade to get kennedy in your proposal?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Whitfield extends his contract with GWS til 2020.

Hopper locked in, Whitfield locked in.

Still nothing on Kelly or Kennedy. Easy conclusion to jump to by reading between the lines. No guarantee we get them, but certainly looks like GWS are now working around them.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

no - but we tend to get tid-bits or updates rather than a complete strategy dossier.

This is relatively complete & detailed.



IIRK - Death anxiety may have revealed source to a mod during the FY15 trade/draft period?

Some posters have revealed sources privately in the past. Some have revealed too much publicly and potentially harmed themselves. There are avenues for getting this info. Maybe the club have planted a Trojan horse to uncover leaks? So many possibilities.

 

[Pafloyul]

Not sure about Fogarty but I would go to the draft over Schache, especially for any pick inside Top 20. Just don't think we need another player of his type. Priority has to be elite mids

Fair enough. The point is that I prefer his type over Schache and if SOS were to rate him, I'd rather draft him in than trade for Schache.

 

[bigdog43]

just testing the 'logic' of your statement...so

Another way of looking at it is why should Carlton give up 2 years of Gibbs for a pick 10 in a "crapshoot"?

The answer is because of what Carlton can do with a pick10 - better than gambling on a draft pick - right?

but who says Adelaide can't use the pick themselves to get someone they want?

Understand where you're coming from but that pick 10 probably isn't in Adelaide's best 22 straight away. I'm a massive fan of throwing everything at trying to win a flag while the window is open. Pick 10 is of more value to us than Gibbs in two years, just have to hope we get it right.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Understand where you're coming from but that pick 10 probably isn't in Adelaide's best 22 straight away. I'm a massive fan of throwing everything at trying to win a flag while the window is open. Pick 10 is of more value to us than Gibbs in two years, just have to hope we get it right.

Still think best case scenario for Gibbs is 17 and 35, then on-trade those two for Kennedy and 24 (Collingwood second rounder, currently held by GWS).

It's not outstanding, but it's pretty close to his true value I think (former Pick 12 with two year's development + Pick 24).

 

[Soapy V]

So what do we trade to get kennedy in your proposal?

Next years second but a lot could depend upon packaging of players and any money

 

[Pafloyul]

I probably disagree to be honest. Midfield clearly needs the most work however I am not yet completely satisfied with the level of forward line talent we have. And if a player like Schache becomes available I think we should strongly consider it.

Curnow, Silvagni, McKay & Kerr are exciting but it's dangerous to assume they'll all make the grade. If 1 doesn't make it we should be fine but if 2 don't make it then we'll have an important hole on our list. At this stage I am disregarding any future father son prospects, however our list manager is best placed to consider this.

Unless we get Kelly, we'll have a top 3 pick this year. It's probable we will have a top 6 pick next year as well (unfortunately). That's a good chance to get 2 premium midfielders. After that, Free Agency will become a legitimate recruitment option in terms of a flag tilt.

I'd be holding out hope we could acquire a high enough pick to draft in one of the top tall players for next year and maybe make a play for Lynch. Trading in Schache now would be overkill and I'm not sure we'd have the right guy, regardless.

 

[ESKIE]

Didn't one of our reliable posters in the know ... say awhile back that sos is working on a monster trade?

 

[Quazza]

Adelaide would be mad not to give up pick 10 for Gibbs.

every Crows fan i know disagrees

 

[G-TRAIN07]

as opposed to 2 x Top 10 picks (LDU & Stephenson), an extra pick plus Kennedy Rockliff maybe Smith then add Balic & Lang cheap and a heap of Salary Cap room. Not clear cut but I'd prefer this option. Kelly in 2 years

After watching what LDU did last week. He's definitely what we need

 

[Pafloyul]

I actually agree with you as well. Mids are a priority but SOS isn't adverse to having an abundance of talls on the list. Imagine if all of Curnow,McKay, Kerr, JSOS, BSOS come on and we also grab Schache, it could give us good leverage to trade for needs and/or get back in the draft at an high-ish level.
Either way, exciting times!!

It's only practical if you are drafting players in and the tall option is considered too good to pass up. I don't think you trade for trade bait because it doesn't make sense in terms of list balance.

 

[Azul]

Still think best case scenario for Gibbs is 17 and 35, then on-trade those two for Kennedy and 24 (Collingwood second rounder, currently held by GWS).

It's not outstanding, but it's pretty close to his true value I think (former Pick 12 with two year's development + Pick 24).

pick 13 but anyway. GWS and the AFL make a mockery of the points bidding when Kennedy is acquired for picks 34 and 40 and two years on, pick 17 is considered something of a bargain for him.

 

[Tommy Alvin]

every Crows fan i know disagrees

And they will continue to...loudly until they lose the GF to Richmond.

Then...things might change a little.

TA

 

[bluemahogany]

Didn't one of our reliable posters in the know ... say awhile back that sos is working on a monster trade?

Not a monster trade just that SOS was a monster in general

 

[Quazza]

And they will continue to...loudly until they lose the GF to Richmond.

Then...things might change a little.

TA

they'll kill Richmond if they meet in the GF

 

[KnobHead]

Not a monster trade just that SOS was a monster in general

it was Smurf. about the potential Kelly trade.


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[Quazza]

And they will continue to...loudly until they lose the GF to Richmond.

Then...things might change a little.

TA

ps - god it's only just clicked that you're not saying "Ta" after every post, as in "thanks for reading !"

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Some posters have revealed sources privately in the past. Some have revealed too much publicly and potentially harmed themselves. There are avenues for getting this info. Maybe the club have planted a Trojan horse to uncover leaks? So many possibilities.

I had a 'source' back around 2000/2001 who was one of the groundsmen at Princes park. I was amazed at some of the info he would get for me and how often it was spot on eg: The Hamill trade and the amount he was being offered by the Saints etc. Most of it was gathered by standing around outside the clubrooms talking to guys like Goughie etc.

AFL clubs are like suburban and country footy clubs - there are a lot of people who love to give the impression they are 'in the know' and a lot of stuff does get leaked.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Of course they can, a tight salary cap is the domain of Top 4 sides. They bank on success keeping players for unders.

Lever is certainly worth 2 x first rounders, he's a young gun that plays a key position.

AKA having your cake and eating eat. Lever isn't worth 2 1st rounders. He ain't Judd or Dangerfield. Ryder went for less. He's a marking HBF with tight shorts.

 

[ESKIE]

Not a monster trade just that SOS was a monster in general

Ok thanks