Traded Devon Smith [traded to Essendon]

[Snookers]

Can we throw out thread bans for anyone that posts a "Trade Whisperer" tweet please Admin?

He has never, ever, got anything right.

 

[bird_man]

Please don't quote this fraud on here.

 

[Jade]

Can we throw out thread bans for anyone that posts a "Trade Whisperer" tweet please Admin?

He has never, ever, got anything right.

This.

Bloke is an absolute fraud. Stop quoting this narcissists online masturbation.

 

[Rack Watts]

Anytime the trade whisperer tweets something, you can rule that thing out. Carlton are officially no chance, which is nice.

 

[yodellinhank]

I think it's the initial ambit claim so there's probably not worth reading too much into it, but yeah - the smoke is that it's definitely been Essendon's starting position. When a team is underbidding even its supporters on a targeted player it doesn't suggest the offer is that realistic.

Or it could just be, as it says, Matthew Lloyd's suggestion. No doubt were working on something similar, but that deal requires more from our end that hopefully we can fashion. Will all depend on if somebody wants a player we have on the table (so far not), or if we can interest anybody in further pick shuffling including maybe us yielding next years selections.

In most cases the clubs aren't pains to deal with. In cases where they are often third party clubs get involved. Hawthorn in the Carlisle trade, Fremantle in the Yeo trade, Melbourne in the Mitch Clark trade, GWS in the Deledio trade - they're just the ones off the top of my head. Sometimes the new club gets their man, sometimes they don't, but in general the player is pretty reasonable to their original club's wishes and doesn't outright refuse to consider the new club.

Yes, most cases. But there are cases every year of disgruntled clubs accepting what they believe to be unders. The cases of holding a player to contract, sending them elsewhere or walking them to the draft are very few and far between.

 

[dlanod]

Or it could just be, as it says, Matthew Lloyd's suggestion.

Why ignore the first two articles, including one which expressly mentioned Essendon expressing a desire to GWS to use pick 28 for Smith but getting knocked back, and only comment on the third link?

 

[Bokonon_]

Or just do what almost every other traded player has done through history and demand you deal with the club he nominated

He cant actually do that though.

 

[yodellinhank]

He cant actually do that though.

History never repeats, i tell myself before i go to sleep.

 

[Jade]

He cant actually do that though.

True, but he can refuse to sign off on any other deal.

Not that I think that will happen, as almost always happens, common sense will prevail and a deal will be done.

 

[Bokonon_]

History never repeats, i tell myself before i go to sleep.

Uuh yeah ok.
We can take a hit if it's necessary. It's not even complicated, you are seriously delusional

 

[SCRAY72]

Essendon Saints Blues? Maybe Pies. All good healthy competition. Devon gets to come home and GWS are adequately compensated.

 

[Bokonon_]

True, but he can refuse to sign off on any other deal.

Not that I think that will happen, as almost always happens, common sense will prevail and a deal will be done.

Absolutely
It's wrong to say that we have to though. It rarely reaches that stage, but it's a lever.
The Treloar deal went to the last day because we wanted two first rounders and Collingwood didn't want to give them to us.
Close to Treloar having to decide whether to accept Richmonds offer or take his chances in the draft.
Hopefully it doesn't. I want him to get where he wants to go.

 

[Jade]

Absolutely
It's wrong to say that we have to though. It rarely reaches that stage, but it's a lever.
The Treloar deal went to the last day because we wanted two first rounders and Collingwood didn't want to give them to us.
Close to Treloar having to decide whether to accept Richmonds offer or take his chances in the draft.
Hopefully it doesn't. I want him to get where he wants to go.

I still think the Pies waaaaaaaaaaaay overpaid.

That's why I try (sometimes unsuccessfully) to not get overly attached to a player before a deal is done - I'd rather walk away than pay too much.

 

[Bokonon_]

I still think the Pies waaaaaaaaaaaay overpaid.

That's why I try (sometimes unsuccessfully) to not get overly attached to a player before a deal is done - I'd rather walk away than pay too much.

No argument, he was valuable but not that much. I'm just flagging the possibility the deal doesn't get done.
I think Devon will suit your game plan. I'm a fan and will miss him, but that's the reality of a professional game. Everyone's better off if a deal gets done.

 

[Masqualero]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-09/giants-set-to-make-dons-work-for-smith

The quotes were:
Of Smith who was picked at 14:
"(Smith) was a first-round pick when he was selected and he's only 24 years of age, so he hasn’t really diminished in value I wouldn't have thought,"
Of Kennedy who was selected at 13:
"I think we've got a fairly clear line on him with trades we've done in the past with Jack Steele and even Will Hoskin-Elliott (traded to St Kilda and Collingwood respectively for future second-round picks)," he said.
"So I think that sets the bar for Matthew quite clearly."

Double standards imo

How is it a double standard?

Smith is proven, the others are a much bigger gamble hence the cheaper price.

 

[THE_GUN]

When a club commits to a player then they have a responsibility to bring him to the club, That usually means they over pay slightly and they need to do that to keep the opposition club happy and they will need to deal in future.

#6 + 2017 2nd rounder for Prestia+2016 2nd rounder was overs last year but Richmond payed it, But as things turned out withe where Richmond finished it ended up becoming #6+#35+#64 for Prestia+Caddy+Graham

But the Buyer needs to satisfy the seller

 

[Spanish_Fly]

True, but he can refuse to sign off on any other deal.

Not that I think that will happen, as almost always happens, common sense will prevail and a deal will be done.

Not in Essendons case.

 

[Jade]

Not in Essendons case.

Eh?

Name me one deal over the last five years or so involving an Essendon player or target that hasn't eventuated?

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Eh?

Name me one deal over the last five years or so involving an Essendon player or target that hasn't eventuated?

How would we even know half the deals that havent eventuated. Name me the players the calibre of the 3 from this year, Essendon has aquired through trade over the last 10 years? And dont include a cooked Cooney who dogs were trying to get rid of.

 

[Jade]

How would we even know half the deals that havent eventuated. Name me the players the calibre of the 3 from this year, Essendon has aquired through trade over the last 10 years? And dont include a cooked Cooney who dogs were trying to get rid of.

We haven't traditionally traded in high profile players - has been that way for my entire life. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen 'in Essendon's case' as was your horseshit claim.

I remind you that YOU are the one making the claim, so unless you can back it up with proof, maybe slink back in to whatever uninformed hole you decided to scurry out of.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

We haven't traditionally traded in high profile players - has been that way for my entire life. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen 'in Essendon's case' as was your horseshit claim.

I remind you that YOU are the one making the claim, so unless you can back it up with proof, maybe slink back in to whatever uninformed hole you decided to scurry out of.

You said "äs almost always happens", I implied that Essendon rarely get trades done. I'm sure Essendon havent traded in med/high profile players because they didnt want any?!? There is zero evidence they have the capabilty to get these deals done.

Pretty straight forward I would have thought, I'm not sure why you're having a little moment here.

 

[Andronicus]

You said "äs almost always happens", I implied that Essendon rarely get trades done. I'm sure Essendon havent traded in med/high profile players because they didnt want any?!? There is zero evidence they have the capabilty to get these deals done.

Pretty straight forward I would have thought, I'm not sure why you're having a little moment here.

Who nominated the bombers and didn’t get there?

That’s what was being referred to.

 

[Ants]

Who nominated the bombers and didn’t get there?

That’s what was being referred to.

Well, uh, Caddy would be the obvious one. I think only he and Prismall have nominated us in a while.

That said, I'm not sure if Caddy is a great comparison. Gold Coast were clearly looking to draw a line in the sand, and we offered a deal that (with hindsight) was clearly overs (and some of us did have that opinion then). Gold Coast took far less the following year. I'm not sure if anyone had made a move on a contracted GCS player that year if they could have resolved it without paying a staggering cost.



(and before anyone says Caddy didn't then select us the next year, but chose Geelong, I'd point out that in 2012 we were using our 1st round pick on Daniher. We didn't have any currency to chase Caddy that year)

 

[Andronicus]

Well, uh, Caddy would be the obvious one. I think only he and Prismall have nominated us in a while.

So just 1, and it’s a trade where history suggests we offered far more than he was worth, only to be knocked back by a pretty unreasonable GCS, yet Essendon are the ones who are held to blame?

 

[Ants]

So just 1, and it’s a trade where history suggests we offered far more than he was worth, only to be knocked back by a pretty unreasonable GCS, yet Essendon are the ones who are held to blame?

If his point was that it doesn't always happen for EFC, he's correct we have a 50% success rate recently. We'll argue caveats to that all we like, but you can't blame people for bringing it up.