Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

[zeeCFC]

16 days bloody hell

 

[blue_trinity]

They can, but we only see the physical attributes, only people like Villani would know his mindset. Wondering if Villani has spent time with Federer before comparing Cerra to him.

I didn’t read it as a description of Cerra’s mentality, more so to describe his poise, elegance, class etc. maybe even his running style or the way he carries himself in general?

 

[VainGlorious]

I think alot of junior coaches pump up the tyres of their own players. Have a look at Mick Turner.

The earlier players go in the draft the more $ it can potentially bring to the Eastern Ranges. He's not exactly going to say Cerra's a shit truck with a club foot. It's all about pumping up the ranges players and club

 

[Funk]

Constable is the nephew of Mick Malthouse. I don't know how to feel.

Needs to be policed

 

[Funk]

The worst thing here is that we've just about exhausted what can be said about players and who we may take at the draft.
Still waiting for Brisbane to leak who they'll take at #1 and then maybe we can start to get a handle on the top few, at least.

I am intrigued by Nathan Murphy, as someone who hasn't been spoken about a lot but seems to have clubs quite keen on him.
Given some of Bishops info, he's coming into top 10 calculation, which could throw another spanner of sorts, for our pick at #10.......in a good way.
There was quite a bit about him I liked and picked him at around 15 in our snake draft, but now there's talk of Collingwood taking him at #6. Reach?

Don't know much about Murphy.

If Pies are "reaching" for him - can I assume he is a slow, short arse mid with scrappy disposal???

 

[Blue and Silver]

Murphy is a talent. I only recently got to see his work properly. Don't thin he is top 10, but I would use a pick in the teens without pause.

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[Arr0w]

I acknowledge the risk with both. I'd be fine with Rayner playing out his whole career as a game-changing, goal-kicking burst half-forward who attends a centre bounce every now and then. Any additional midfield minutes would be a bonus and not expected.

Bonar's impressive testing at the combine suggests injuries haven't restricted his movement and athleticism, however I would understand if we were to opt to go with the safer option of Clark/Constable. I see him developing into a full-time beast of an inside mid though.

Don't get me wrong, would be more than satisfied with Rayner, just have him ranked slightly lower than a couple of others. You don't have to convince me when it comes to Constable, as I have him ranked higher than anyone else on BF. Clark would not be a disappointment either, just have a few others ahead of him

 

[bigdog43]

Put Rayner into an AFL system with elite coaches and I have no doubt that his tank will develop. We can't not take the best prospect because of a concern over his tank.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Selecting forwards with all of our picks would be insane. Don't see why it's getting suggested

 

[viking12]

Put Rayner into an AFL system with elite coaches and I have no doubt that his tank will develop. We can't not take the best prospect because of a concern over his tank.

yep agree.

if Lions dont select him i think he falls to us. Freo to select LDU/Dow/Cerra

 

[1981]

So is it true none of the kids this year are rated in the top half dozen or so from last year? That's a tad concerning if true.

Is this just one person's view?

 

[Dravid's in]

Murphy is a talent. I only recently got to see his work properly. Don't thin he is top 10, but I would use a pick in the teens without pause.

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Has an invite to the Draft.

 

[Arr0w]

So is it true none of the kids this year are rated in the top half dozen or so from last year? That's a tad concerning if true.

Is this just one person's view?

I disagree with that view

 

[Omega Blue]

I've made my thoughts on Rayner clear in the past. (Lacking fitness is a serious concern)

But if people are picking him expecting him to be a midfielder in the vein of Petracca, Martin or Dangerfield,I believe that's an extremely risky strategy. However if we're picking him as an explosive goal kicking half forward flanker then I have no problem with that.

 

[JustaBattler]

Brisbane look like they will pick LDU.
Do Fremantle need/prefer Raynor to Dow or Cerra as their #2 pick?
Carlton are winners if they go for either Cerra/Dow to bolster midfield - Cerra is silk - Dow is very solid.
Carlton add some potential X factor in Raynor - do we need him as much as a potential A grade mid in Dow or Cerra?
I think not.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Has an invite to the Draft.

Collingwood making silly decisions again?

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[RudyBlue]

Because I don't want to draft someone who is clearly built like an Olympic bobsledder.

What about an Olympic handballer?

 

[viking12]

Carlton are winners if they go for either Cerra/Dow to bolster midfield - Cerra is silk - Dow is very solid.
Carlton add some potential X factor in Raynor - do we need him as much as a potential A grade mid in Dow or Cerra?
I think not.

was thinking about this over the weekend. i think a Mid is what we need now.
i prefer Dow cause he can play as an outside and inside mid and has acceleration. would be perfect with Cripps & Kennedy dishing it out to him and Murphy.

 

[Jimmae]

Here, Jim, let me draw you a Venn diagram of the important muscle groups used by an Olympic bobsledder vs an AFL footballer.....

Also, that's Leigh Matthews right behind you.

If by behind you mean 1982, then sure.

He's a power athlete who will not be able to bust his way through multiple tackles using his frame alone, which means his endurance and agility matters more, and he hasn't got that to fall back on. I think you've accidentally hit the nail on the head with your comment: I don't think he's a modern midfielder.

Do you want to use our first rounder on a medium forward who we hope to get to push into midfield? Do I need to remind you of Menzel?

The closest modern comparison I can think of is Chapman, but with a touch more pace. Chapman was good at the peak of his powers, but the game changed and he started to get exposed. I think the exact same thing will happen to Rayner unless he can shed some weight. That he has short legs compared to the rest of his frame really doesn't help his cause.

I'm sure someone will quote my post and wax and wane about body types, but when you're at the point end of the draft a big part of what will break up your decision making will be athletic and bio-mechanical assessment and analysis.

Rayner will never be a regular midfield contributor without a massive improvement in his endurance training, nutrition and running patterns. If you're picking him, you pick him to replace guys like Jack, Kerr, Fisher in our line-up. Should you be doing that given the state of our list?

It is a huge risk, and he is such a well-scouted prospect that there is no way there is some info just hiding under a rock somewhere that proves he will be an AFL midfielder. If that were true, Brisbane would pick him @ 1. This is just standard forum/media/youtube hype without letting reality sink in.

What about an Olympic handballer?

You'll have to ask the AFL about their decisions.

 

[Dravid's in]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-national-draft.1170197/page-143#post-53351046

Nice summary lifted from the Pies board.

 

[viking12]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-national-draft.1170197/page-143#post-53351046

Nice summary lifted from the Pies board.

Dow compared to Dylan Shiel. Im Sold !

 

[TGR]

Dow compared to Dylan Shiel. Im Sold !

I like Dow, but Shiel is on another level.

 

[Stamos]

If Rayner is the best player in the draft, which he is widely considered to be (or even best available ay #3), I don't think we should be too concerned if SOS/Brodie pick him.

 

[Nori]

If by behind you mean 1982, then sure.

He's a power athlete who will not be able to bust his way through multiple tackles using his frame alone, which means his endurance and agility matters more, and he hasn't got that to fall back on. I think you've accidentally hit the nail on the head with your comment: I don't think he's a modern midfielder.

Do you want to use our first rounder on a medium forward who we hope to get to push into midfield? Do I need to remind you of Menzel?

The closest modern comparison I can think of is Chapman, but with a touch more pace. Chapman was good at the peak of his powers, but the game changed and he started to get exposed. I think the exact same thing will happen to Rayner unless he can shed some weight. That he has short legs compared to the rest of his frame really doesn't help his cause.

I'm sure someone will quote my post and wax and wane about body types, but when you're at the point end of the draft a big part of what will break up your decision making will be athletic and bio-mechanical assessment and analysis.

Rayner will never be a regular midfield contributor without a massive improvement in his endurance training, nutrition and running patterns. If you're picking him, you pick him to replace guys like Jack, Kerr, Fisher in our line-up. Should you be doing that given the state of our list?

It is a huge risk, and he is such a well-scouted prospect that there is no way there is some info just hiding under a rock somewhere that proves he will be an AFL midfielder. If that were true, Brisbane would pick him @ 1. This is just standard forum/media/youtube hype without letting reality sink in.


You'll have to ask the AFL about their decisions.

I'd be just as happy with Cerra as I would with Rayner, but let's take a look at what makes Rayner a special talent.

He's a power athlete with powerful legs that allow him to accellerate and change direction quickly. He has great hands in traffic and can kick like a mule. His top end speed is impressive and his decision making is great

I particularly like the way he draws tacklers to him in order to release his team mates. His physical attributes and skill will make him extremely difficult to negate. Far from being an old fashion footballer I would argue that he is the prototyical modern fottballer.

I'm not concerned about his lack of tank. First year players are rarely able to play regular minutes through the midfield anyway. In the mean time he can help to fill the massive difficiencies the Blues have up forward and maybe even go through the midfield from time to time in bursts.

He's an impact player and he has the rare ability to turn games. It doesn't make sense to compare him with midfield accumulators and argue that because he's not that sort of player he's somehow less valuable.

 

[ferrisb]

Because I don't want to draft someone who is clearly built like an Olympic bobsledder.

What about an Olympic handballer?

As long as no more state-level volleyballers.....