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Only Forwards said:
4 characters is not the majority.

What I get from your posts is that you are heavily threatened by the idea that things change.

Allow me to pull apart the thing you got the most wrong.

The idea that Leia Organa, the adoptive daughter of Bail Organa was not a leader is absurd.

In legends (previous Canon) Leia was a significant figure in the rebel alliance, In the current Canon (Rebels) she is still a significant figure in the rebel alliance. The idea that she wouldn't be in line to lead the resistance is nuts.

Old Canon says
An accomplished Senator, Leia Organa was most famous for her strong leadership during the Galactic Civil War and other subsequent galactic conflicts, making her one of the galaxy's greatest heroes.

And then
Years later, she was instrumental in the creation of the New Republic, and was elected to the position of Chief of State, serving twice in that office.

So she was one of the most regarded heros who lead the entire galaxy but your contention is she had poor leadership in the old Canon. My contention is you don't know the old Canon outside of what is in the films.

That being the case you fear anything different to what we've had previously.

If you're wanting to look for someone who has next to no military leadership ability look at Han.

Ep 4 - he runs
Ep 5 - he hides
Ep 6 - he fails, even C3PO has more influence on endor.
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wtf in bold, i just said she is not a military leader, in cannon there was never mention she was a military leader, think admiral ackbar, think general solo, think gen kenobi, even gen grevious was a good military leader. Leia is a politician, admiral holdo is supposedly a military leader albeit the femnazi variate. Back to solo, he is the reason luke was able to blow up the Death Star, he's the reason leia and gang got away, he's the reason endor was a successful hit. Han Solo is your mercenary turned leader trope in many fantasy films and han solo represents 1/3 of the star wars.

I cannot believe in one movie, they rubbed out someone with god like power in Snoke in the cheapest manner, admiral ackbar is dead without contribution, luke is an old bum and did not get his deserved send off. FFS, at least have a luke vs. snoke and luke does a suicidal force detonation something akin to a thought bomb so that snoke is killed off. Ackbar was like the hero of endor space battle wise and snuffed out. These *silly people are totally disrespecting the original star wars and those who says s**t like TLJ is the greatest star wars ever prob has no idea what star wars is.

If we go with Rian Johnson's planning and if nothing is changed for ep IX, then you will have the weakest ever villain in emo ren unless there is a plot device going something along the like of Ren finds some artifact that can make his god like power, finding the valley of the jedi or like snoke possess him hence 'completing his training' and rey has to rely on Luke's ghost as mentor to finish off her training.

These disney flogs have really gutted or simply ignored a lot of the old lores in the pursuit of NEW things however NEW things are not necessary excellent. Old star wars was great because of the way it was carried out. You cant just ditch history, that's what isis do, we need to embrace history, learn from it and repeat the greatest parts of it. This disney star wars is just a sign of time when we have a bunch of selfish narrow minded individuals who are single minded to show off their ideals without really thinking about its consequence. Such arrogance, such blatant disrespect of a great masterpiece and have turned it to piece of s**t. Whoever can turn this around is probably will be remembered as a true legend of the game in century to come.

Edit: enough with the bloody spoilers!
 
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The fact she is a General doesn't need to be in previous Canon, it was a decision they made in the creative process of Episode VII (Which funnily enough, is canon).

She had led the resistance for years, she was a General in all but name.

JJ. Abrams:
""One of the answers was that it was simply a choice that she made," he continued. "That her decision to run the rebellion and, ultimately, this resistance and consider herself a general as opposed to a Jedi, it was simply a choice that she took. Not that there's any regret that she could have [become a Jedi] and didn't.""
 
Rad Roo said:
wtf in bold, i just said she is not a military leader, in cannon there was never mention she was a military leader, think admiral ackbar, think general solo, think gen kenobi, even gen grevious was a good military leader. Leia is a politician, admiral holdo is supposedly a military leader albeit the femnazi variate. Back to solo, he is the reason luke was able to blow up the Death Star, he's the reason leia and gang got away, he's the reason endor was a successful hit. Han Solo is your mercenary turned leader trope in many fantasy films and han solo represents 1/3 of the star wars.

I cannot believe in one movie, they rubbed out someone with god like power in Snoke in the cheapest manner, admiral ackbar is dead without contribution, luke is an old bum and did not get his deserved send off. FFS, at least have a luke vs. snoke and luke does a suicidal force detonation something akin to a thought bomb so that snoke is killed off. Ackbar was like the hero of endor space battle wise and snuffed out. These ****silly people are totally disrespecting the original star wars and those who says s**t like TLJ is the greatest star wars ever prob has no idea what star wars is.

If we go with Rian Johnson's planning and if nothing is changed for ep IX, then you will have the weakest ever villain in emo ren unless there is a plot device going something along the like of Ren finds some artifact that can make his god like power, finding the valley of the jedi or like snoke possess him hence 'completing his training' and rey has to rely on Luke's ghost as mentor to finish off her training.

These disney flogs have really gutted or simply ignored a lot of the old lores in the pursuit of NEW things however NEW things are not necessary excellent. Old star wars was great because of the way it was carried out. You cant just ditch history, that's what isis do, we need to embrace history, learn from it and repeat the greatest parts of it. This disney star wars is just a sign of time when we have a bunch of selfish narrow minded individuals who are single minded to show off their ideals without really thinking about its consequence. Such arrogance, such blatant disrespect of a great masterpiece and have turned it to piece of s**t. Whoever can turn this around is probably will be remembered as a true legend of the game in century to come.

Edit: enough with the bloody spoilers!
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I don’t disagree entirely with your opinion. I found the Holdo vs Poe plot off-putting thematically but more importantly not a very compelling story.

However I think it’s not true to say that Leia was never a military leader in cannon. Can you not remember her giving speeches to soldiers before the battle of Hoth for example?


“All troop carriers will assemble at the north entrance. The heavy transport ships will leave as soon as they're loaded. Only two fighter escorts per ship. The energy shield can only be opened for a short time, so you'll have to stay very close to your transports. [Derek Klivian: Two fighters against a Star Destroyer?] The ion cannon will fire several shots to make sure any enemy ships will be out of your flight path. When you've gotten past the energy shield, proceed directly to the rendezvous point. Understood? Good luck.”

Sound like a military leader to you?
 

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Augustine said:
I don’t disagree entirely with your opinion. I found the Holdo vs Poe plot off-putting thematically but more importantly not a very compelling story.

However I think it’s not true to say that Leia was never a military leader in cannon. Can you not remember her giving speeches to soldiers before the battle of Hoth for example?


“All troop carriers will assemble at the north entrance. The heavy transport ships will leave as soon as they're loaded. Only two fighter escorts per ship. The energy shield can only be opened for a short time, so you'll have to stay very close to your transports. [Derek Klivian: Two fighters against a Star Destroyer?] The ion cannon will fire several shots to make sure any enemy ships will be out of your flight path. When you've gotten past the energy shield, proceed directly to the rendezvous point. Understood? Good luck.”

Sound like a military leader to you?
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Well that's more of excellent script writing as opposed to her ability, yes leia should have some ability with strategy as she has been a key figure of the rebellion and new republic pre-disney cannon. however its the ackbars who are the actual battlefield commanders.

In the new star wars, it seems that leia is charge and there has been no on screen showing of her military credentials. At the very least, have a scene where you have all the units on screen and leia would be you put these here here and here, how to a diversion here, then this this and this happens. However there is certainly no one either side of the galaxy has shown to have on-screen (keyword) military strategic mindset (this may be due to the ability of the writer, producer and director).

If you look at rebels and look at thrawn, now that is military leader.

The new star wars seem to lack any real depth. A great improvement would be to show the intense tactical situation room and the minds of admiral holdo vs gen. This would represent the clash of tactical minds. There should be something like Poe vs 1st order elite fighter squadron ala top gun so this would be a way of showing the fighting skills of two sides. Finn and whoever in action should represent the ability to ingenius. Kylo vs Rey fight should embody the clash of force in the form physical. Snoke vs Luke confrontation should reflect the theological conflict between light and dark and the manifestation of conflict of force in its pure form. But then again this is going way down the path that's completely different to the social justice message and of course it may be off putting for the kids and girls.
 
 
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I do have to say tlj did give out couple of examples of how t b very bad teachers. Luke and snoke r two of the worst teachers out there. One wants to kill a student due to the possibility of him being evil. Snoke on the other hand dies not build rapport with ren unlike palpating to anakin.
 
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Rad Roo said:
I do have to say tlj did give out couple of examples of how t b very bad teachers. Luke and snoke r two of the worst teachers out there. One wants to kill a student due to the possibility of him being evil. Snoke on the other hand dies not build rapport with ren unlike palpating to anakin.
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That's actually very funny. Tho a little creepy.
 
Off to see this at Imax this afternoon, have managed to stay spoiler free. I'm not expecting greatness but am expecting fun - hopefully I won't be disappointed.

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blackshadow said:
Off to see this at Imax this afternoon, have managed to stay spoiler free. I'm not expecting greatness but am expecting fun - hopefully I won't be disappointed.

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Likely seeing it Sunday night with the kids prior to the fireworks and have similar expectations bs.
 
blackshadow said:
Off to see this at Imax this afternoon, have managed to stay spoiler free. I'm not expecting greatness but am expecting fun - hopefully I won't be disappointed.

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Twinkletoes said:
Likely seeing it Sunday night with the kids prior to the fireworks and have similar expectations bs.
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Exactly the right mindset that's required.
 
RobZombie said:
Nah. Actually this ...
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Hahaha, I read that before I posted the video. I think it is just hilarious that try as he may, he can't let his real feelings come out about how little he thinks of the movies, even though he is probably contractually required to promote the movie positively which is what I am sure he is attempting to do.

I think when the dust settles, and his contractual obligations expire, Mark wont hold back. That isn't in his character, and unlike his eternal optimist character, it can't so easily be changed in real life like it can in a movie.
 
TennisPlayerAndy said:
Seeing it tonight.

Have avoided all spoilers but with the views from both sides I'm not sure what to expect.
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Try and forget all the positive and negative and go in with a blank mind.

Treat it as a movie setting up for the culmination of a trilogy not a stand alone movie like a lot of people seem to be.
 
Tas said:
Hahaha, I read that before I posted the video. I think it is just hilarious that try as he may, he can't let his real feelings come out about how little he thinks of the movies, even though he is probably contractually required to promote the movie positively which is what I am sure he is attempting to do.

I think when the dust settles, and his contractual obligations expire, Mark wont hold back. That isn't in his character, and unlike his eternal optimist character, it can't so easily be changed in real life like it can in a movie.
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Your initial thoughts/instincts are always the honest ones.

It's not Mark's fault and he shouldn't have to back pedal like this.
 
Watched it, loved it.

Best star wars in 20 years. Rushed nature of the first movies character development wasn't to be found, managed much better throughout. Much better plot, much better suspense and intrigue, still stays true to its roots and I would imagine still really great for the kids even if some concepts needed a little more brain power.
 
Mrs Utility suggested I take our five year-old son to go see Star Wars, so I watched it today. Some random commentary (I don't think any spoilers below):
  • Waaaay too long.
  • Watchable for eye candy.
  • Most of the characters were uneventful and uninteresting.
  • Young Leia > Old Leia.
  • Harrison Ford has charisma. Many of the new characters have zero. The ****ed up killing off Han Solo, he was the most watchable character in the series.
  • I just don't think Skywalker was used well in the film (or the previous one). I can see why Hamill may be pissed off.
  • Subtle Disney-fication made it too cutesy for my tastes, especially those stupid penguin-like creatures. I mean, if people complain about Ewoks then those things would bring a tuma.
  • I can see the complaints about the PC bullshit. It's blatant but is not what takes from the film, it's because the PC characters (black guy, asian chick, random female resistance leaders) lack any on-screen personality. If they die/died you wouldn't care. Totally different to characters like Rey and Kylo, and I think that's more because their characters have depth rather than the actors being charismatic. For example, Lando was cool but I don't even remember the name of the token black character.
  • It was ok but take away the special effects and it really is an average film.
IMO the screenplay was weak and so was half the cast (or more). Honestly the cast overall lacked charisma. Maybe my son summed it up best:

Utility: Did you like the film?
Utility Jnr: Yes.

Utility: What did you like about the film?
Utility Jnr: I don't know.

So it's not utterly, utterly terrible - but is a mile off the original three films.
 
utility said:
Mrs Utility suggested I take our five year-old son to go see Star Wars, so I watched it today. Some random commentary (I don't think any spoilers below):
  • Waaaay too long.
  • Watchable for eye candy.
  • Most of the characters were uneventful and uninteresting.
  • Young Leia > Old Leia.
  • Harrison Ford has charisma. Many of the new characters have zero. The ****ed up killing off Han Solo, he was the most watchable character in the series.
  • I just don't think Skywalker was used well in the film (or the previous one). I can see why Hamill may be pissed off.
  • Subtle Disney-fication made it too cutesy for my tastes, especially those stupid penguin-like creatures. I mean, if people complain about Ewoks then those things would bring a tuma.
  • I can see the complaints about the PC bullshit. It's blatant but is not what takes from the film, it's because the PC characters (black guy, asian chick, random female resistance leaders) lack any on-screen personality. If they die/died you wouldn't care. Totally different to characters like Rey and Kylo, and I think that's more because their characters have depth rather than the actors being charismatic. For example, Lando was cool but I don't even remember the name of the token black character.
  • It was ok but take away the special effects and it really is an average film.
IMO the screenplay was weak and so was half the cast (or more). Honestly the cast overall lacked charisma. Maybe my son summed it up best:

Utility: Did you like the film?
Utility Jnr: Yes.

Utility: What did you like about the film?
Utility Jnr: I don't know.

So it's not utterly, utterly terrible - but is a mile off the original three films.
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It's not that the original had a lack of diversity. Leia as the prototype female heroine, Lando the charismatic emancipated african minority; while asians were featured in the original, the concept of jedi knights, the force, master-apprentice dynamic is very much from the east so in essence asian culture is very much represented. I can tell you for a certainty that the Master Apprentice dynamics of the Jedi and Sith happens in the majority of chinese pugilist movies and novels. Thew films had to ingrain a lot of 'diversity', this in itself is totally disrespecting the old and also shows a complete lack of understanding of the mythos of the original.
 
Gasometer said:
I hope this Star Wars character is a run and spread type when 2018 starts, such is the scrutiny.

Has all the makings of replacing Gibbo as this page's new whipping boy.
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Its a bit like watching critics pan that Bright movie. I enjoyed that one too.

I think I have a problem.
 
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