MCG to host GF through to 2057

[HPKS]

https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-c...to-savour-rare-mcg-training-run-ng-b88811902z
I agree with simpson wholeheartedly and also concur the afl is in damage control.

just read kreuzer is out. makes your job easier.

They wouldn’t be in damage control if they’d acknowledged that there were issues with holding the GF at the MCG and shown that they’d looked at those issues in regards to complaints as discussed by fans here.

Was there discussion in regards to more non-Victorian supporters getting tickets due to the mcc predominantly being Victorian supporters, ground dimensions, more games there to familiarise themselves with playing there, the disadvantage of Victorian players sleeping in there own bed n non-Victorian players having to change there home game routine, is there more money to be made playing at another ground, talks with other governments, can more money be made from leaving it n having a yearly contract etc

If they had done that n it still showed the MCG was the best place for the GF with a long term contract I think most people would be a lot more satisfied with it staying where it is with a long term contract. But there has been nothing of this shown to have happened.

 

[HTT]

Well like any organisation - you hold a tender.

Noone in sydney thought about building billions worth of olympic infrastructure before they won the right to host the olympics 9 years before.

I cant believe you are so comically dense as to continue with this vein.

Win bid first. Build infrastructure after

Thats how it works.

I get your point. I don't get why the WA government built the infrastructure before the bid.

 

[kranky al]

I get your point. I don't get why the WA government built the infrastructure before the bid.

The wa government built a new ground for wa football

They included the ability to expand the ground to 80k for a future gf bid

Infrastructure built for now

Then ability to expand for a bid

I hope thats clear enough for you

 

[HTT]

The wa government built a new ground for wa football

They included the ability to expand the ground to 80k for a future gf bid

Infrastructure built for now

Then ability to expand for a bid

I hope thats clear enough for you

From the AFLs perspective, neither the WA or SA governments want or have the capacity to host the Grand Final. Sometimes you actually have to tell people what your intentions are. The AFL is a money-hungry business. If they thought a genuine bidding system was possible in then near future, they'd go for it.

 

[kranky al]

From the AFLs perspective, neither the WA or SA governments want or have the capacity to host the Grand Final. Sometimes you actually have to tell people what your intentions are. The AFL is a money-hungry business. If they thought a genuine bidding system was possible in then near future, they'd go for it.

I swear you live in a vacuum


And its inside your head

Both state governments clearly stayed they had intentions

Eddie clearly stated that they signed the deal quickly behind closed doors to forestall them.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/we...l/news-story/10339d092537b62809b0992b8d4abf71

 

[kranky al]

Oh and an absolute blow for afl expansion into nsw

There is now zero chance of anz stadium being developed as a multi use ground

The NRL could look to renegotiate its agreement with the NSW government, including a 20-year pact to host the grand final in Sydney, if there is a backflip on a deal to rebuild ANZ Stadium.

The Australian understands the memorandum of understanding between the state government and the NRL, which was agreed when the former announced their $1.6 billion stadiums strategy for Sydney, is largely contingent on the pledge to turn ANZ Stadium into a rectangular venue.

That agreement continues to be shrouded in uncertainty amid a push to have a large chunk of that $1.6bn commitment directed towards Allianz Stadium.

Weekend comments from SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd, also chairman of Greater Western Sydney, for ANZ Stadium to retain its ability to cater for AFL and cricket came despite neither sport having struck a blow at the ground in recent years.

And look at that


League using their clout and threatening to move to brisbane if they dont get what they want.

However, if the state government elects to redirect money towards Allianz Stadium, all bets would be off. Queensland as well as the Victorian and potentially West Australian governments would be able to weigh in with bids to snatch the grand final from Sydney almost immediately./

Note the complete openness of the situation

No backdoor midnight deals


The players are discussing it and everyone is out for the best deal they can get


Not like the amateurs at afl house.

 

[HTT]

I swear you live in a vacuum


And its inside your head

Both state governments clearly stayed they had intentions

Eddie clearly stated that they signed the deal quickly behind closed doors to forestall them.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/we...l/news-story/10339d092537b62809b0992b8d4abf71

When you claim a private organisation should give you a grand final to make up for the actions of the federal government, how seriously do you think that private organisation would take you?

 

[kranky al]

When you claim a private organisation should give you a grand final to make up for the actions of the federal government, how seriously do you think that private organisation would take you?

Wtf are you on about?

Its a tongue in cheek comment - you only read the first paragraph didnt you?

I bet your lips move when you read

 

[HTT]

First sentence of the article you posted
"WEST Australian premier Mark McGowan has raised the idea of the new Perth Stadium one day hosting the AFL Grand Final, suggesting it’s “the least the rest of the country could do” in order to compensate for the state’s GST rates."

Federal government taxes state excessively -> The AFL should make up for it?

 

[kranky al]

First sentence of the article you posted
"WEST Australian premier Mark McGowan has raised the idea of the new Perth Stadium one day hosting the AFL Grand Final, suggesting it’s “the least the rest of the country could do” in order to compensate for the state’s GST rates."

Federal government taxes state excessively -> The AFL should make up for it?

Yes i did mention that was the first paragraph

Its a politician making a snide remark - if it were the state minister for football you might have a point - but hes the leader of the state so he has other things on his mind aside from footy

Once again you take one small part of the whole and just argue that - generally a good sign that your argument is for shit.

 

[HTT]

Yes i did mention that was the first paragraph

Its a politician making a snide remark - if it were the state minister for football you might have a point - but hes the leader of the state so he has other things on his mind aside from footy

Once again you take one small part of the whole and just argue that - generally a good sign that your argument is for shit.

If you read the entire article, the premier was tongue in cheek almost the whole time. If he really wanted the grand final, he might've considered actually putting it in writing to the AFL. Obviously he didn't want it, otherwise the AFL would have most certainly considered it.

 

[Sterge]

Oh and an absolute blow for afl expansion into nsw

There is now zero chance of anz stadium being developed as a multi use ground




And look at that


League using their clout and threatening to move to brisbane if they dont get what they want.




Note the complete openness of the situation

No backdoor midnight deals


The players are discussing it and everyone is out for the best deal they can get


Not like the amateurs at afl house.

Massive difference, the NRL are threatening to take their ball and go home if they don't get their way, essentially they are blackmailing the NSW government into spending the money how the NRL want it with the threat of moving otherwise.

The Vic government and MCC know how much benefit they get from the AFL GF so they made a deal without any fuss.

 

[doppleganger]

the disadvantage of Victorian players sleeping in there own bed n non-Victorian players having to change there home game routine.

I love this one.

The week leading up to a GF is anything but routine.

Having 15,000 people at training isn’t routine, going through a GF parade isn’t routine

the AFL should book out rooms for both teams at the Pullman or Park Hyatt for the few days before the GF to make it ‘fair’ and stop some excuses.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So no interstate clubs winning a grand final until 2058 due the the invincible home ground advantage at the G, how is Kranky Al gonna cope with that

Evidently not well at all.
Leading contributor to this discussion by some margin.

 

[kranky al]

Evidently not well at all.
Leading contributor to this discussion by some margin.

Well someone has to answer the same question over and over as victorians cant read

- Why didnt the state government build an mcg shaped stadium.

- Mcg is teh biggest gf should be at teh biggest

- why didnt perth and adelaide build 100k stadiums

Rinse repeat.

 

[kranky al]

I love this one.

The week leading up to a GF is anything but routine.

Having 15,000 people at training isn’t routine, going through a GF parade isn’t routine

the AFL should book out rooms for both teams at the Pullman or Park Hyatt for the few days before the GF to make it ‘fair’ and stop some excuses.

Theres a few things you could do to make it fairer

Anytime anone suggests them itgets howled down

Your suggestion is a good one.

 

[kranky al]

Massive difference, the NRL are threatening to take their ball and go home if they don't get their way, essentially they are blackmailing the NSW government into spending the money how the NRL want it with the threat of moving otherwise.

The Vic government and MCC know how much benefit they get from the AFL GF so they made a deal without any fuss.

Of course they did

They got 2.4 billion for a handful of beads

The afl on the other hand got absolutely nothing they wouldnt have got anyway.

You are aware the afl could have got the boutique stadium theyve been talking about for this?

Its the biggest heist in australia sporting history.

Absolute mooks

 

[footyfan1978]

Somebody please gather the toys all over the place and put them back in his cot.

 

[Delisted]

I wonder if this thread will be going until 2057?

 

[Paul Kersey]

Not a fan of the at the MCG every year mantra but not sure what the answer is at the moment. Imagine Hawthorn v Geelong at the Adelaide oval. 53K capacity. How many actual club members get to see the game? It's already hard to get tickets at the 100K ground. At the same time I recognise the ridiculousness of Crows v Port at the MCG, or an interstate team finishing on top and having to play an MCG tenant team. If the market was bigger, I can imagine we'd have a similar system of bidding for the GF like the NFL does for the SB. No easy answers but it looks like it won't be changing soon.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

If you read the entire article, the premier was tongue in cheek almost the whole time. If he really wanted the grand final, he might've considered actually putting it in writing to the AFL. Obviously he didn't want it, otherwise the AFL would have most certainly considered it.

I agree, I don't think any government has ever truly sat down and tried to put a plan into action to get the AFL grand final.
The MCG is the perfect place for the years biggest game even though it does offer a Vic side an advantage over a non Vic side.
It is up to the AFL now that the G is locked in for the GF forever to try and do something to even out that advantage, maybe Vic clubs lose their home ground in preliminary final weekend when playing Non Vic sides? Have the Grand Final parade and festivities moved to the highest qualifying sides state so under the circumstances we are talking about here both clubs would have to travel during the week. have the parade on the wednesday.
More games a minimum of 4 for non Vic clubs at the G every year.
I don't think the AFL will even think about helping out but they should now they have locked in the GF. I am just throwing out suggestions by the way.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Not a fan of the at the MCG every year mantra but not sure what the answer is at the moment. Imagine Hawthorn v Geelong at the Adelaide oval. 53K capacity. How many actual club members get to see the game? It's already hard to get tickets at the 100K ground. At the same time I recognise the ridiculousness of Crows v Port at the MCG, or an interstate team finishing on top and having to play an MCG tenant team. If the market was bigger, I can imagine we'd have a similar system of bidding for the GF like the NFL does for the SB. No easy answers but it looks like it won't be changing soon.

they would get the same current allocation as they do now. Just no MCC members which leaves 20k of corporates. AFL members is another story.

 

[footyfan1978]

I wonder if this thread will be going until 2057?

North Korean spoilt brat or Trump might have something to intervene that.

 

[Captain_Bender]

I wonder if this thread will be going until 2057?

No doubt Kranky Al will still be sooking then

 

[footyfan1978]

It is up to the AFL now that the G is locked in for the GF forever to try and do something to even out that advantage

It is minor in big scheme of things but for mine, I would love another big ground here somewhere out in south-east region that replaces what we lost with Waverley holding 75,000 crowd. That is a major **** up by Wayne Jackson that needs addressing. Ideally the MCC people also have control of that too as a second ground with AFL and what they do from there is slowly but surely have half the games at MCG moved to there and leave Docklands for Saints, Roos and Dogs and many of other Vic clubs have no more than 5 or 6 home games at MCG. Then program each club from around Australia to play one of their home games at MCG v non-Vic based club. For example Port may play one showdown at G v Crows in 2028 and the next year Crows play home there v Port. Get 30,000 South Aussies come over with special packages and then make sure each club from interstate gets 2 away games at G against Vic based club. What you would then have is no clubs getting 13 or 14 games at G v some interstate club only 1 or 2 where some think that advantage comes into play. Fix up the imbalance. Get it back to big clubs here only having 9 games at G, each interstate based club 3 games at G of which one a home game and then rest of games normally at G are played at new ground holding 60 to 75,000 out in south-east region.

That is what annoys me about all these funds wasted on Docklands. If this deal involved building another ground out of inner city I would be far more excited. We need another ground here in such a city where the metro region spreads so far away from inner city.